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Maybe a little early, but it seems likely that Samsung will be the only plasma manufacturer with a flagship panel next year at least according to Steve Panosian who heads their marketing team in flatpanels.

What improvements do you want to see from the F8500?

Do you think they'll actually go through with making the panel?

Panasonic fans: will you buy a Sammy plasma if they're the only game in town?

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tI say it's Samsung's last one. Black levels better then ZT. They will beat the ZT and then leave it at that. After this high end model they will probably switch over to OLED as well. Just a guess. I don't see them carrying on for much longer either specially with the competition not in the plasma game.
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I agree on them potentially beating the VT/ZT60 mll. They were basically there this year, it's just that the blacks would float in some very low apl content. I saw it firsthand at the shootout, but the ability for the panel to hit 40fL calibrated made it look more impressive than the Panasonic sets.

The F8500 seemed to produce more noise although the look of the image for Sammy sets has always been closer to CRT than anything else out there. Hopefully they can continue to have both high end plasma and OLED existing together for another year.

Heard some insider info that the OLED curve is here to stay for a while, so...
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I only have one wish: That they make the input lag as good, or even better than my 51D6500. It's almost triple the lag on the E frown.gif
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All I want is for it to exist.
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All I want is for it to exist.

Exactly!

This is the only set I will consider buying for 2014 just based on price and performance. It has the chance to be 95%+ of what OLED is.

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How about a 70 or 75 incher!
Now that would get my attention
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What improvements do you want to see from the F8500?

1. Offer a 70 or 75" model.
2. Make it more energy efficient
3. Reduce the bezel/frame.
4. Continue to improve motion handling
5.Continue to improve black levels.
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i just want them to improve on the f8500. if they could fix the quirks it had it would be a real show stopper.
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Has to be black levels, they're quite far off the ST60 (seeing plasma noise in blacks where there is zero on the ST60)
What I do love about the F8500 is the fact that dark areas don't ghost into other parts of the image, for example a straight black line
that ends abruptly will still continue across the screen on a ST60 and the VT50 (nowhere near as bad as it was on the ST30) likely the VT60 & ZT60 have this issue as well.
F8500 has black levels are far from my current VT50 so I'd I think I'd rather upgrade to a VT60, I'd like the F8500 to best the VT60 in ALL areas but that might be a hard task for them.
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It will be H8500 or H8000...The "G" is like some free advertisement for another south korean brand...
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I can tell you don't look for any bells or whistles. I spoke with two dealers that had a dinner meeting with Samsung last week. They did not tell me anything about any changes to the picture quality, but they did say that they were told that they were going to make cosmetic changes such as not use as nice of a bezel going around the glass and bring the MSRP down.

I'm glad I just the current mode two weeks ago. Btw, I got this after owning the ZT60 for two weeks and returning it because the PQ was better on the 8500.
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It will be H8500 or H8000...The "G" is like some free advertisement for another south korean brand...

I actually heard that it will be the H series the other week.

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Has to be black levels, they're quite far off the ST60 (seeing plasma noise in blacks where there is zero on the ST60)
What I do love about the F8500 is the fact that dark areas don't ghost into other parts of the image, for example a straight black line
that ends abruptly will still continue across the screen on a ST60 and the VT50 (nowhere near as bad as it was on the ST30) likely the VT60 & ZT60 have this issue as well.
F8500 has black levels are far from my current VT50 so I'd I think I'd rather upgrade to a VT60, I'd like the F8500 to best the VT60 in ALL areas but that might be a hard task for them.[/quote]

The F8500 is better than the VT60 in brightness, lourve filter and 3D performance. The VT60 is slightly darker. Thats it. The filter on the F8500 is actually second best on the market. The ZT60 is the best atm.
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Any word on what the G/H8500 will be like? Deeper stable black levels?

Im on the fence right now for F8500.....and im aware of the floating blacks but CES 2014 is almost around the corner...cant decide!
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According to AVJunkie, 2014 may also be the final year for Samsung too...
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According to AVJunkie, 2014 may also be the final year for Samsung too...

So...that means they will release 2014 plasmas? Because ill just wait and hope the issues will be resolved...Or 2013 was their last year?
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So...that means they will release 2014 plasmas?

Yes, confirmed for both Samsung and LG, but LG just closed down a factory, so they're definitely winding down.
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Get that input lag into Panasonic ranges (~35ms) on HDMI while calibration controls are still active (which the VT60 can handle), keep working at the black levels and motion handling, and keep up the superior IR resistance introduced with the 60"+ 2012 panels and the G8500 will be my new primary TV. That doesn't seem like a lot to ask for the last plasma TV ever, does it?

Worst case scenario, give me an F8500 with the input lag sorted and that'll do it for me.
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Panasonic fans: will you buy a Sammy plasma if they're the only game in town?

Honestly, Panasonic really disappointed me in the end. Their 2013 (and final) line was the product of a refresh year (no actual new panel tech unless you count the light-eating ZT filter). On top of that they never addressed their IR issue, which remains very real on their 2013 line. I bought a GT50 for a very good price last year, but I can never use it as a primary home TV; I just can't allow it to be used by the whole family considering how easily it picks up incredibly stubborn IR. Having been able to reproduce that same IR on several VT60s (and several times seeing BR/DVD player logos stuck on store display models even before running my tests) I could never buy one and use it as a living room TV, which takes it off the table entirely for me.

To answer directly: After seeing what Samsung did in 2013 I'm definitely willing to give them another try. I had an E7000 (2012 model) briefly, and while I was impressed with that IR resistance I keep going on about the overall picture was dim and low contrast compared to Panasonic's 2012 options. I returned it and ended up getting a good deal on a GT50. The F8500 definitely looks great to me anytime I see it, I just really want lower input lag and if possible lower black levels since this TV is likely going to be with me for quite a while.
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For me:

First and foremost, get rid of any semblance of floating blacks

Get the black mll. below 0.001 fL.

If they can do these two and retain all the advantages of the F8500, they will have an easy knock out winner.
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Anyone here specifically waiting for the F/H8500 to see if the above issues are resolved?
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My wish list in order of importance.

1. Input lag
2. Better motion resolution
3. MLL
4. Floating black
5. No filter banding
6. No line bleeding
7. even better ABL
8. even better color accuracy
9. If possible, brighter
10. I've given up about buzzing but still...
11. Not really expecting much from Samsung but better QC always comes in handy
12. lower price, but not expecting it at all. I'd rather they fix the above than sell it for cheap
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I am going to guess they continue to develop and add "Smart" TV features. and a refresh of TV styling, etc. They may work to reduce the mll further, but I would be surprised if they eliminate floating blacks, as it seems to be inherent to their driving method. I'd love to see them get the blacks stable at around.001 ftL and keep the F8500 brightness, just not expecting it.
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Better input lag, best filter possible (clean picture), better stand (just a normal stand), 51 in version retails for $1599.
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My advice to all is build yourself a heavily armed bunker and buy yourself a 2014 Samsung plasma. It will be the last decent picture in a world filled with grotesque horror studded LCDs! Who can take such a world?! I warned people of this picture quality holocaust. OLED might one day be the answer--right now it is not--CURVED screen--gimme a break! That's ridiculous!

And Chinese 4K LCD will continune to suck like all the other LCDs!

Just remember the 1975 Corvette. How many years did it take for performance to return? How many years will it take til we get at least FLAT 65-inch OLED for less than $4,000 with BLUES that won't degrade for 100,000 hours?

LCD is going backwards and is the greatest monstrosity ever leashed on planet Earth!

To really get the benefit of 4K you really do need a 110 inch.

Samsung plasma is our last weapon. Apocalypse Now--THIS IS THE END!!!
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Let's hope they stick it out for at least couple more years. They certainly have the means to. It would be a shame to make such a revolutionary break through like they did and have it be gone in two years.
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Panasonic fans: will you buy a Sammy plasma if they're the only game in town?
No, but I might grab a future OLED for the right price.
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I'm glad I just the current mode two weeks ago. Btw, I got this after owning the ZT60 for two weeks and returning it because the PQ was better on the 8500.
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So you've noted several times before, and that's your unprofessional opinion to which everyone is entitled (but don't pretend it's superior to others).
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but I would be surprised if they eliminate floating blacks, as it seems to be inherent to their driving method.

Well, this flaw is a deal breaker for me and just not acceptable, let alone for a reference display. I suspect I'm not alone on this.
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My guess at this point is the G8500 will be very close to the F8500 - just more apps and features that Samsung goes crazy about. It wouldn't surprise me if the MLL is slightly better, but I would most certainly expect the floating blacks to continue. (RWetmore, you are most certainly not alone!)

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