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Hi all, 

 

I didn't see any threads on this and I saw a lot of posts on the official thread on this but it gets lost with all other replies. I hope this will give us an idea of who is having IR issues and who's not. 

 

Image Retention Tools:

 

https://s3.amazonaws.com/CleanScreen/index.html

 

http://beginwithsoftware.com/videoguides/plasmatv/#.UuQmu2Qo4y4

 

I will go first and continue to update when I can. 

 

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Model: TC-P60ST60

Hours: 86, 92, 100, 118, 125, 140, 160, 185, 200, 230, 301, 397, 441, 513

Break in method: Mixed cable content with light logos with D-Nice settings

Contrast: 45, 50, 50, 56, 56, 56, 57, 65, 68, 68, 70, 70, 70, 70

Image Retention: None noticed so far. I do not check for it in color slides. Notice TV very faint logo at 550+ hr mark.

 

Watched movie with black bars at 120hr mark, contrast at 79. No issues noticed afterwards. Ran screen wipe for a couple of minutes afterwards. Started watching sports at 200 mark with static solid logos. 

 

TEEVMAN

Model: TC-P60ST60

Hours: 110

Break in method: full screen content

Contrast: 85

Image Retention: None so far

 

rushfan2112

Model: TC-PXXST60

Hours: 40

Break in method: Bluray

Contrast: ?

Image Retention: None so far

 

sealteamz6

Model: TC-P60ST60

Hours: ?

Break in method: mix content, break in slides

Contrast: 75 on content 100 on slides

Image Retention: menu created some IR with contrast at 100

 

  • chunon
  • Model: TC-PXXST60

    Hours: ?

    Break in method:?

    Contrast: 82

    Image Retention: None so far

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  • Model: TC-P50ST60

    Hours: 170

    Break in method:Slides for first 100 and then mixed full screen content. screen wipe after long gaming sessions. 

    Contrast: 79

    Image Retention: None so far

 

Burn-in - no
Model Number - P50ST60, july -13
Number of Hours - around 250
Break-in performed (yes/no + no. of hours) - no not really, some slides and rolling bars just to check burn ins
Usage (70% movies, 20% games, 10% TV) - mostly logoless movies and net flix series, sports (i was most afraid about score sheets, but no problems so far), no games at all

 

  • enigma7820
  • Model: TC-PXXST60
  • Hours: 1500+

    Break in method:Slides for first 100 and then everything

    Contrast: 80+

    Image Retention: None so far or Burn in

 

  • sheshechic
  • Model: TC-PXXST60
  • Hours: ?

    Break in method:mix

    Contrast: 80+

    Image Retention: None so far or Burn in

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Did some reading on the Master burnin /IR thread and compile a list of users that have IR issues. I hope they don't mind me posting their screen names. These are people that own the st60s.

 

Heywould

Raikirik

tuffluck

foxnews

TheAnswer_03

bettinamonk

 

MonicaJae

Model: TC-PxxST60
Hours: ?
Break in method: 
Contrast: ?
Image Retention: CN logo 

 

eric3316

Sold TV, went with LED and then back to a VT60.

 

garnettrules21

Model: TC-PxxST60
Hours: ?
Break in method: 
Contrast: ?
Image Retention: temporary IR that goes away in 30mins

 

sixfoot

Model: TC-P65ST60
Hours: 290 (IR noticed at about 250)
Break in method: mix content, break in slides for first 100 hrs
Contrast: 84 on content 100 on slides
Image Retention: Channel logos, some more persistent than others

 

Mrwhite2

Model: TC-PxxST60
Hours: 2000+
Break in method: 
Contrast: 100
Image Retention: claimed burn in

 

Model: TC-P60ST60
Hours: 379
Break in method: 100 hours dnice slides, 20 hours mixed full screen viewing
Contrast: 79 at night, 95 daytime room is very bright
Image Retention: Yes, game HUD, fox/abc logos

 

  • UniversalGC
  • Model: TC-P55ST60
    Hours: since July
    Break in method:?
    Contrast: ?
    Image Retention: ESPN logo burnt in. 

 

Model: Panasonic TC-P60ST60
Hours: I bought the TV back in May, while it's the only TV it only gets (usually) moderate/lite use.
Break-in performed - Nope
Usage: a variety of content (football, basketball, HD TV, bluray via my PS3) played through my HTPC built with MythTV. Lots of usage using MythMusic when I have people over (more on this later)

Image Retention: Bottom left corner with logo. 

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  • cadett
  • Model: TC-PXXST60
    Hours: ?
    Break in method:?
    Contrast: ?
    Image Retention: ESPN logo  

 

  • KylanD
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  • Model: TC-PXXST60
    Hours: ?
    Break in method:?
    Contrast: ?
    Image Retention: TV Logo
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60ST60 here, 110hrs., breaking in with full screen content avoiding espn etc., my contrast is set at 85 using custom. No signs of anything wrong here.
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Going on 40 hours since Sunday night, all full screen content using a blu-ray player. Today it was Star Wars "Return of the Jedi" and now moving onto "The Two Towers"
No IR and the color is magnificent

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Did some reading on the Master burnin /IR thread and compile a list of users that have IR issues. I hope they don't mind me posting their screen names. These are people that own the st60s.

Now make a list of all the ST60 owners in that thread who are NOT reporting IR issues wink.gif
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Now make a list of all the ST60 owners in that thread who are NOT reporting IR issues wink.gif


That would be thousands..... Not enough room in one page biggrin.gif
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I actually just fell asleep watching my DVR and it went to the recorded screen for maybe half of hr. Don't notice any retention. Thank goodness!

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So who's TV got more image retention as they put more hours into it? Could it be that after the initial 100hrs, people are running contrast to the max? 

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Finally reached the 200hr mark... no signs of image retention. I have been slowly turning up the contrast. I'm wondering what the people with IR issues have their contrast at. Seems like the brighter the image, the easier the chance of image retention.

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Hey to help your list I have a 60ST60. I have only put a couple hours of regular content (movies, tv games) on it. maybe 4-5. the rest has been slides. I cant figure out how to see how many hours I have had the tv running though. Contrast has been 75-100. I have used the Home Theater setting and custom setting for the slides.

In my mind I have this idea where I think that maybe running slides for 100 hours straight right after getting the TV does something to it to cause it to be more susceptible to IR or burn in. Obviously I have nothing to back that thought up such as evidence but either way I have ran slides only at night for the first like 4 days now I have a 4 hour shut off thing set so I run them at night and it shuts off after 4 hours.
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Hey to help your list I have a 60ST60. I have only put a couple hours of regular content (movies, tv games) on it. maybe 4-5. the rest has been slides. I cant figure out how to see how many hours I have had the tv running though. Contrast has been 75-100. I have used the Home Theater setting and custom setting for the slides.

In my mind I have this idea where I think that maybe running slides for 100 hours straight right after getting the TV does something to it to cause it to be more susceptible to IR or burn in. Obviously I have nothing to back that thought up such as evidence but either way I have ran slides only at night for the first like 4 days now I have a 4 hour shut off thing set so I run them at night and it shuts off after 4 hours.


Thanks for that, to check the hours you can go to menu, help, version, and then status 4 will give you the hours. I think it has to do with the contrast level that people are setting it on once they hit a certain amount of hours. So the contrast for the first 100 hours is low for those that do not use break in in slides and then over 80 right after. For those that are using the slides, they just set contrast to over 80 right after. I'm taking the approach of setting the contrast higher in increments.

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Thanks for that, to check the hours you can go to menu, help, version, and then status 4 will give you the hours. I think it has to do with the contrast level that people are setting it on once they hit a certain amount of hours. So the contrast for the first 100 hours is low for those that do not use break in in slides and then over 80 right after. For those that are using the slides, they just set contrast to over 80 right after. I'm taking the approach of setting the contrast higher in increments.

Status 4 on my TV says A0060-00000 .....does that mean sixty hours?


hmmm interesting. Yeah I have it on custom while running slides....so contrast is at 100
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Well ****....just got some IR from the menu. Threw the slides on and it went away quickly though. First time I have noticed anything.... :/ I was definitely checking before and never noticed anything

I really like your list idea. I would love to know which the the people who have had stubborn IR ran slides non stop or a lot for the first 100 hours
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Status 4 on my TV says A0060-00000 .....does that mean sixty hours?


hmmm interesting. Yeah I have it on custom while running slides....so contrast is at 100

 

That's correct. I really don't think the slides are that important. Just watch and enjoy the TV and set your contrast lower and set it higher in increments over time. I have mine at 68 now and its been plenty good for regular viewing. I'll probably stay at this for the next 100hrs or so before moving up to around 70-75.
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Maybe I should run slides at a lower contrast setting? hmmmm I guess I am running slides to speed up the break in process since I don't feel like obeying all the rules such as no black bars on top and bottom and all that stuff for when I do use it haha
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Did some reading on the Master burnin /IR thread and compile a list of users that have IR issues. I hope they don't mind me posting their screen names. These are people that own the st60s.
  1. eric3316
  2. Heywould
  3. Raikirik
  4. MonicaJae
  5. garnettrules21
  6. tuffluck
  7. foxnews
  8. garnettrules21
  9. TheAnswer_03
  10. bettinamonk
  11. sixfoot
  12. Mrwhite2- over 2000hrs with burn in.

I wonder which of them ran slides and which didnt
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Lol, my name is on there twice. At this point any image retention I get goes away pretty quick so it's not really an issue for me. I know what my settings need to be when harsh logos or static huds are present and IR doesn't stick around for more than 30 minutes most cases.
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Lol, my name is on there twice. At this point any image retention I get goes away pretty quick so it's not really an issue for me. I know what my settings need to be when harsh logos or static huds are present and IR doesn't stick around for more than 30 minutes most cases.

What are your settings when you use content that has hard logos/huds?
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Lol, my name is on there twice. At this point any image retention I get goes away pretty quick so it's not really an issue for me. I know what my settings need to be when harsh logos or static huds are present and IR doesn't stick around for more than 30 minutes most cases.


Fixed. I currently have my contrast at 68 and it seems like IR is not an issue with. I'm slowly upping the contrast to see at what point IR shows up. I don't plan on going over 80 though so it may not even be an issue for me.

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Fixed. I currently have my contrast at 68 and it seems like IR is not an issue with. I'm slowly upping the contrast to see at what point IR shows up. I don't plan on going over 80 though so it may not even be an issue for me.

Ah I see. I will probably end up around 80 cause imma try some ppls calibration numbers and they all seem to have contrast in the 80s
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If I'm gaming with stark white huds or watching tv with solid logos like history or discovery, I never go above 60 contrast. And as much as people don't use pixel orbiter it's always on for me. I've run several tests with and without and even though it's shifts it just ever so slightly it helps diminish the appearance by blurring it a bit. I have almost 1300 hours at this point.

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Ah I see. I will probably end up around 80 cause imma try some ppls calibration numbers and they all seem to have contrast in the 80s


D-Nice has contrast at 79 and seems to be what majority of people recommend. I am using these settings now and it looks fantastic. I tried the one from sound and vision and it seems a little to warm for my liking.

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If I'm gaming with stark white huds or watching tv with solid logos like history or discovery, I never go above 60 contrast. And as much as people don't use pixel orbiter it's always on for me. I've run several tests with and without and even though it's shifts it just ever so slightly it helps diminish the appearance by blurring it a bit. I have almost 1300 hours at this point.


That is sound advise but most people are not going to change there settings based on content. Do you think the static logos are that bad? doesn't seem like it for me at this point but then again I don't watch hours of the same channel.

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Hi, I have my Panny 60ST60 for a few weeks now and have 243 hours on it. My method of break in was to vary the content of what I was watching, but mainly I watched full screen content or I used the zoom to try and get rid of logos and banners. But I've had dark static images on my screen for an hour at a time with no hint of IR let alone burn in. I'm trying to get to 300 before I run the Spears and Munsil disc or try someone else's settings, the latter of which doesn't make a lot of sense to me but worth a try I guess.


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D-Nice has contrast at 79 and seems to be what majority of people recommend. I am using these settings now and it looks fantastic. I tried the one from sound and vision and it seems a little to warm for my liking.

Ah I see. Yeah I need to try multiple different peoples calibrations to see which one I like best. I will probably try sound and visions dnice since I ran his slides and caddetts. Maybe cnets as well I'm feeling very lazy after finals though and don't know if I feel like going through the effort to input all those settings haha. Can you save the settings as presents so you don't gotta reenter them each time you try someone else's?
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Break in method: mix content, break in slides for first 100 hrs
Contrast: 84 on content 100 on slides
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I wonder which of them ran slides and which didnt
Hey look, my name made the list. lol

I got rid of my 60ST60 about 6 months ago. My prep was mostly slides with some TV watching. The thing the IR didn't start until I had about 250 hours on the panel. I was running contrast in the 70's if I remember correctly. I didn't really give it much time to disappear. I was getting IR from watching 30 minutes of something and I could still see traces the next day.

Anyway I freaked and exchanged it for a Samsung es7500. Well long story short, I just sold my Sammy and took delivery of a 65VT60 today. I will live with some IR if it happens. Right now there really isn't any better picture out there then these plasma's and I am willing to sacrifice that one thing for all the problems that plague LEDs.

Attitude now is just use the TV like I used my LED and if stuff sticks I am pretty sure it will eventually go away because there is nothing I really watch the same of every single day for hours on end.

I have a crappy 42" Insignia plasma from 6 years ago and I don't treat that TV any different then an LED. In general that TV had and has the worst IR known to man. Everything stays on the screen but it goes away and if it doesn't I don't see it when watching an actual show anyway.

My best advice is do not stress over it. Don't look for it and if it appears it will eventually disappear. Pick up the Disney Wow disc to get rid of really bad IR but otherwise, don't worry about it. I thought I would be so happy getting a top tier Sammy LED but the bottom line is I really regretted returning the ST60 and always felt I settled for a inferior picture. It feels good to now own a Panasonic Plasma again, with IR or no IR!

At least IR will dissapear or fade to point of not seeing it unless you are looking for it. With an LED there is no fixing the clouding or flashlighting or the terrible off angle viewing.

Anyone thinking of returning or not buying a plasma because of IR, just know the other side is so much worse for OCD people.

Sorry for the long rant or any spelling mistakes but I just hope my post can convince people to just enjoy their TV because this purchase should be something that makes you happy and not stressed out. There are to many other things in life to stress you out.
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Hey look, my name made the list. lol

I got rid of my 60ST60 about 6 months ago. My prep was mostly slides with some TV watching. The thing the IR didn't start until I had about 250 hours on the panel. I was running contrast in the 70's if I remember correctly. I didn't really give it much time to disappear. I was getting IR from watching 30 minutes of something and I could still see traces the next day.

Anyway I freaked and exchanged it for a Samsung es7500. Well long story short, I just sold my Sammy and took delivery of a 65VT60 today. I will live with some IR if it happens. Right now there really isn't any better picture out there then these plasma's and I am willing to sacrifice that one thing for all the problems that plague LEDs.

Attitude now is just use the TV like I used my LED and if stuff sticks I am pretty sure it will eventually go away because there is nothing I really watch the same of every single day for hours on end.

I have a crappy 42" Insignia plasma from 6 years ago and I don't treat that TV any different then an LED. In general that TV had and has the worst IR known to man. Everything stays on the screen but it goes away and if it doesn't I don't see it when watching an actual show anyway.

My best advice is do not stress over it. Don't look for it and if it appears it will eventually disappear. Pick up the Disney Wow disc to get rid of really bad IR but otherwise, don't worry about it. I thought I would be so happy getting a top tier Sammy LED but the bottom line is I really regretted returning the ST60 and always felt I settled for a inferior picture. It feels good to now own a Panasonic Plasma again, with IR or no IR!

At least IR will dissapear or fade to point of not seeing it unless you are looking for it. With an LED there is no fixing the clouding or flashlighting or the terrible off angle viewing.

Anyone thinking of returning or not buying a plasma because of IR, just know the other side is so much worse for OCD people.

Sorry for the long rant or any spelling mistakes but I just hope my post can convince people to just enjoy their TV because this purchase should be something that makes you happy and not stressed out. There are to many other things in life to stress you out.

I see advantages to both technologies but overall plasmas has the better overall image quality. If you watch a lot of news, I think an LED is the way to go. I mean what's the sense of looking at a great picture of news? 

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I see advantages to both technologies but overall plasmas has the better overall image quality. If you watch a lot of news, I think an LED is the way to go. I mean what's the sense of looking at a great picture of news? 
If all you did was watch the news, would you really be hanging out at AVS? Of course any TV can get the job done. You can even watch the news on a 20 year old CRT. We are discussing the best technologies here and why.

LED can get brought and doesn't get burn in. That pretty much sums up all the advantages.
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TC-P50ST60 owner. 170 hours on the set with contrast at 79. Did the 100 hour slides before applying D'Nice settings. No IR. Running mostly full screen movies and games. Avoiding static logos and huds for long periods at a time. I play full screen content or the screen wipe after long gaming sessions just to be safe.

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