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post #901 of 1392 Old 08-16-2014, 08:58 PM
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If you use the built-in speakers, can you hear it?
Can you send another source to those speakers?
Try rerouting the power and speaker lines.
I don't think exchanging the set will help.
But I could be wrong.
I tried setting up the tv separately, away from the receiver and speakers and it still hums. I was hoping it would have something to do with the ferrite cores on the power cord, and played with that for a while, but no change.

Aaaaaarrgh!

Thanks for the help though.
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I bought a pn51f5300afxza from BB about a month ago and have had no issues. So I can tell you that as of one month ago they did have some AF panels at best buy and that mine doesn't buzz whatsoever or have any other defects. I have been loving it. Mine also functions just as a display as I have dedicated speakers. I have not had to try out the ferrite cores either.
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mine has a slight buzz (A model) but it's not noticeable at viewing distance with the internal speakers at normal level. My old Panasonic S1 is the same way. I thought it was one of the things that was normal about plasma displays and for some it was more noticeable than others. Can't remember the reasoning why it happens either.
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I have had three 51F5300s by now, one A model and two B models. None of them had detectable panel buzz, not even the A set that failed after two months due to a faulty panel.
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Oops, poor describing on my behalf. The buzzing is definitely coming from the panel. I have the tv speakers off, and the system is running through a receiver with external speakers. The buzzing occurs whenever there is a picture on the screen. It mostly goes away when the screen is black. It occurs when I power on the tv and the blue samsung logo is on screen. Once the logo disappears and the screen goes dark the sound is pretty much gone, but immediately starts once I turn on the cable or ps3.

When I picked up the tv, i asked the bestbuy floor employee if he could check the inventory serial # and see if they had any bfxza models. When he came out with the tv he mentioned it was the last bfxza.

Thanks for the quick replies guys. I really appreciate the input.
Welcome to the world of plasmas. They all buzz to some degree on bright scenes, and anyone who tells you they don't is either lying or deaf.
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Welcome to the world of plasmas. They all buzz to some degree on bright scenes, and anyone who tells you they don't is either lying or deaf.
I must fall into the latter category then. Seriously, it's possible.

I just displayed a full-screen 100% white ChromaPure field, muted audio, put my ear up to the screen and couldn't hear a thing. I switched power on/off several times while the white field displayed and couldn't tell any difference in ambient noise whether the TV was on or off.

But I'm of an age where some degree of high-frequency hearing loss is pretty much a given. So if the buzz is in the upper frequencies of the human hearing range, I probably just can't hear it.

I'm not lying, though.

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Welcome to the world of plasmas. They all buzz to some degree on bright scenes, and anyone who tells you they don't is either lying or deaf.
I dunno, I've tried to listen for it but don't detect it at all. My older Panasonic had a more audible buzz up close but not at viewing distance.
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Wow...how old was the set when it failed and what symptoms did it exhibit?
got it in early January (3 months old) and there was massive black crush on the component video input whereas the hdmi inputs showed full shadow detail (all at movie mode defaults)

just the main board failed, not the panel/driver board assembly (Samsung builds the panel and driver boards together so if one goes, both get replaced together... they do this to cut manufacturing costs... Panasonic didn't do this when they still made PDPs)
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I can hear mine buzzing right now... but the speakers are muted and I'm 3-4 feet from it since I'm using my laptop and this is a bedroom TV.

I can hear it buzz from my normal viewing distance of 7 ft too, whenever the audio is muted or quiet (dialogue without loud sound effects/music).

High APL content (bright scenes) and high cell light/contrast settings make it louder as well.
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To rule out hearing loss on part, I asked my 19-yo son give the panel an ear test (a wet behind the ear test, if you will).

He detected no buzz, and now he's certain I'm crazy.
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Welcome to the world of plasmas. They all buzz to some degree on bright scenes, and anyone who tells you they don't is either lying or deaf.
Yeah. This TV was an upgrade from a 5 year old Panasonic plasma that had a very light low pitched buzz upon warm-up. It was hardly noticeable from viewing distances, and would largely go away after a few minutes. This high pitched buzz is killing me though.

Unfortunately, I didn't have the time to return the TV today, but will update once I am able to (hopefully tomorrow)

Quick question for Nikwasi... would you have any hesitations from going from a B model to an A model?

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Quick question for Nikwasi... would you have any hesitations from going from a B model to an A model?

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Well, yes and no. The picture quality on my A model was every bit as good once I got it dialed in. If I had a choice, however I would choose B because:

1) The B is much better calibrated out of the box and;

2) An A panel failed on me in very short order. That's probably superstitious thinking on my part. My episode was most likely an anomaly. I haven't heard of anyone else experiencing total panel failure like that on either A or B. Most likely I just got a lemon, but I'm glad it failed sooner rather than later.

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Yeah. This TV was an upgrade from a 5 year old Panasonic plasma that had a very light low pitched buzz upon warm-up. It was hardly noticeable from viewing distances, and would largely go away after a few minutes. This high pitched buzz is killing me though.
I also upgraded from a 5 year old Panasonic plasma. My 60F5300 definitely buzzes when you've got a bright scene or a web page. But just watching tv with the volume on it's pretty much inaudible 99% of the time.

Luckily OLED doesn't seem to have this problem, as it's one of the minor annoyances I've had to deal with over the years. Not annoying enough to ever make me want to go LCD though.
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Warm2, color space custom, movie mode.
Have fun!

Thanks. Will give that a shot.

Was also hoping to get the custom color starting points as well. If you don't mind posting yours, I'd appreciate it.

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I'm curious, to those owners of this set who have calibrated it with a D3/C6/i1 Display Pro/ColorMunki Display (basically D3 family of meters) what kind of black level numbers did you get? (both A and B models, without voltage tweaks or other mods)

Mine goes no lower than 0.005 fL with Cinema Smooth off, 1080/60p signal. And I have the C6 meter.

I'm particularly interested in B models and A models newer than mine (mine is october 2013 build). Also, it might be useful to hear from those with many hours on their set (in case black levels settle down a bit after many hundreds to thousands of hours of use).
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If you don't mind posting yours, I'd appreciate it.
I don't mind at all.
Unchanged from default.

I just don't like "auto" anything.
Let us know what you think.

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Is it just me or is this TV stand somewhat wobbly?
Did I attach it incorrect or this is the case?

What is the best way to stabilize it without mounting?
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Is it just me or is this TV stand somewhat wobbly?
Did I attach it incorrect or this is the case?

What is the best way to stabilize it without mounting?
it's a bit wobbly, like most Samsung stands of recent years
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Is it just me or is this TV stand somewhat wobbly?
Did I attach it incorrect or this is the case?

What is the best way to stabilize it without mounting?
I will be getting one of these tomorrow; will post review. My TV sits on an AV stand and I want to elevate the screen so I can place my center speaker underneath it, also to get a better viewing angle.
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I will be getting one of these tomorrow; will post review. My TV sits on an AV stand and I want to elevate the screen so I can place my center speaker underneath it, also to get a better viewing angle.
That does look nice. I also need to make space for my center speaker but am considering the wall mounting option to keep the screen further away from the kids as they grow up. Posts about kids destroying tvs with toy hammers are making me very nervous!

I'm not too keen on wall mounting though as it will push the TV ~ 1.5 ft back, and I really do love the current FOV in my living room - ~10ft viewing distance.
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I just saw where Best Buy has the 51F5300 on sale for $500 with free shipping. For anybody on the fence, now's your chance.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-...5300&cp=1&lp=1

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That does look nice. I also need to make space for my center speaker but am considering the wall mounting option to keep the screen further away from the kids as they grow up.
AV-Express offers a 45-day return policy should you want to try one out. I have never ordered from this outfit before, but their online reviews look solid.
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I just ordered a service manual for the PN51F5300AFXZA from servicemanuals.net. I should get the download link within a day. I wanted to get one since much earlier this year but didn't see any then. My goal is to learn what parts exist and do what in the TV and also more info about the service menu.
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I just ordered a service manual for the PN51F5300AFXZA from servicemanuals.net. I should get the download link within a day. I wanted to get one since much earlier this year but didn't see any then. My goal is to learn what parts exist and do what in the TV and also more info about the service menu.
I contacted my friend in the service business about getting a copy of that manual, but she never got back to me and I never got back to you. Sorry.
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I'm curious, to those owners of this set who have calibrated it with a D3/C6/i1 Display Pro/ColorMunki Display (basically D3 family of meters) what kind of black level numbers did you get? (both A and B models, without voltage tweaks or other mods)

Mine goes no lower than 0.005 fL with Cinema Smooth off, 1080/60p signal. And I have the C6 meter.

I'm particularly interested in B models and A models newer than mine (mine is october 2013 build). Also, it might be useful to hear from those with many hours on their set (in case black levels settle down a bit after many hundreds to thousands of hours of use).
I'm having Chad B out to re-tweak my audio system for me on Friday and I very well may have him calibrate my 51F5300B. If so, I will post the numbers and report.
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I'm having Chad B out to re-tweak my audio system for me on Friday and I very well may have him calibrate my 51F5300B. If so, I will post the numbers and report.
appreciate it... see if you can get MLL (all black screen to avoid floating blacks) to four decimal places in fL for black optimizer dark room and off

would be nice to see how the B models compare (and I believe Chad has the same C6 colorimeter I use... unless he upgraded to something more high end in the last few years)
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Thanks for sharing.

Any useful info about the various functions accessible in the service menu?
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Thanks for sharing.

Any useful info about the various functions accessible in the service menu?
just a very long list of items and default values (though likely only valid for a specific firmware version/build)

not all of the items even apply to this model as there is a lengthy 3D section under 'Advanced'

If you want to see it send me a PM (I don't want to post too much of the manual here).

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