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. Sounds like you did mess something up in the Service menu. Unfortunately, it might be impossible to fix without fessing up to Samsung and having to pay for someone to come fix your set. I believe @Last ButNotTheLeast had a similar scare recently and was in the process of contacting Samsung about it. Maybe he could help you figure out your situation.

And for future reference, I believe Mute 7 - 3 -7 Enter will give you total hours (MRT) and this is not the full service menu so there is little risk of screwing anything up if all you want to do is check number of hours.
Good news, everything seems to be fine. Had my pc plugged in and it was outputting a Full signal.

Still, just to be on the safe side and for my own piece of mind, I would love if someone could provided the default settings if they've already jotted them down, or at least a screenshot of the SVC, MRT Option, and Options menu since it's the only place I really visited.

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I unlocked CAL-DAY and NIGHT on my 51F5300B with no adverse after-effects, following RyanHomsey's steps very carefully.

@orion2001 , what CMS settings do you plug in for use with cinema smooth?
I've only ever calibrated with CS On, and those CMS settings are as listed in the post in my signature.
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I've only ever calibrated with CS On, and those CMS settings are as listed in the post in my signature.
Thanks. I have not experimented with CS much because I don't often watch content from blu-ray or streaming sources. I would be interested to see what CMS settings you come up with sans CS, if/when you get the time.
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Cal-Day and Cal-Night have a separate CMS setting that they share between each other but it is unique from the other CMS setting.
Thank you for the suggestion. I just went and unlocked those modes following RyanHomsey instructions, but unfortunately I found they still share the same CMS with 'Movie' mode.
After switching to Cal-Day for example , and as soon as I changed the Color Space to Custom it showed the same calibrated values from the 'Movie' mode.
Then I tried changing a color value for Red on either Movie or Cal-Day / Cal-Night and it propagated to all others.

Maybe it is different on the PN60F5300 ?
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Cal-Day and Cal-Night have a separate CMS setting that they share between each other but it is unique from the other CMS setting.
Usually this is not the case with samsung D/N mode, it shares the custom color space with movie mode on each input. If you need a separate color cal for D/N and movie mode you'd need to utilize two inputs.
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Thank you for the suggestion. I just went and unlocked those modes following RyanHomsey instructions, but unfortunately I found they still share the same CMS with 'Movie' mode.
After switching to Cal-Day for example , and as soon as I changed the Color Space to Custom it showed the same calibrated values from the 'Movie' mode.
Then I tried changing a color value for Red on either Movie or Cal-Day / Cal-Night and it propagated to all others.

Maybe it is different on the PN60F5300 ?
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Usually this is not the case with samsung D/N mode, it shares the custom color space with movie mode on each input. If you need a separate color cal for D/N and movie mode you'd need to utilize two inputs.
Apologies, both of you are right. I was misremembering my findings from a couple of months ago. I believe what it is, is that with Cal-Day and Cal-Night, they both share a common 10 point white balance which seemed odd. So you can only really use both for either CS ON or CS off to balance out the white balance. In effect, unlocking the CAL modes gives you one extra Movie mode like preset that is unique. Between Cal-Day and Cal-Night you will likely only tweak the TV Gamma setting and Black Optimizer setting to Auto for day mode.
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I don't believe this set has a USB insert, right? How are you guys calibrating? In the past, I've used both a disk or USB drive. Thanks!
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I don't believe this set has a USB insert, right? How are you guys calibrating? In the past, I've used both a disk or USB drive. Thanks!
Ryan, it does have a USB port for playing images. However, the advisable thing to do would be to play via HDMI using the device you will be using for movies and using a pattern disc with it.
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Ryan, it does have a USB port for playing images. However, the advisable thing to do would be to play via HDMI using the device you will be using for movies and using a pattern disc with it.

Gotcha - thanks.
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I'm worried about the reflection that ice read about. On a 1-10 scale, how big of an issue is it? Is it something the picture quality makes up for?
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I'm worried about the reflection that ice read about. On a 1-10 scale, how big of an issue is it? Is it something the picture quality makes up for?
I have my set angled and my room lighting positioned so as to minimize reflection, yet I still see a small degree of reflection when the TV is off, or in scenes that are almost totally dark. Personally, it doesn't bother me nor lessen the quality of my regular viewing. But I can't predict how big an issue it might be for you.

My advice: Buy one from a seller with a generous return policy and try it out in home. Only then will you really know. Further advice: Don't pay more than $700 for the 60F5300. With patience, you will find it at that price if you shop diligently.
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I'm worried about the reflection that ice read about. On a 1-10 scale, how big of an issue is it? Is it something the picture quality makes up for?
Replied here: Wife said YES - Please help!
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Further advice: Don't pay more than $700 for the 60F5300. With patience, you will find it at that price if you shop diligently.
Only risk with that is apparently Costco is already sold out of the F5350 and won't be restocking...so stock may not last too much longer. I have a feeling a lot of these are going to be discounted and sold out during Black Friday.
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Only risk with that is apparently Costco is already sold out of the F5350 and won't be restocking...so stock may not last too much longer. I have a feeling a lot of these are going to be discounted and sold out during Black Friday.
Yes, who knows how long they will last?

I just checked, and HH Gregg still has it for $698. That's where I got mine last week but I thought the sale was over. Free shipping is not included at that price but might be negotiable. I picked mine up in store.

HH Gregg's return policy includes a 30-day satisfaction guarantee.
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So, do I want Colour Space on Auto or Custom? There's a noticeable difference (and I haven't changed anything on Custom). I know someone in this thread or maybe another said they went with Custom.
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So, do I want Colour Space on Auto or Custom? There's a noticeable difference (and I haven't changed anything on Custom). I know someone in this thread or maybe another said they went with Custom.
That's weird. If I recall correctly, when I first tested my 60F5300, I think Auto and Custom were the same since Custom seemed to populate the numbers with what Auto mode used (that was my guess). Perhaps try resetting all settings in the menu to defaults and then see if you are still seeing this discrepancy? If you don't have a meter, Auto should be the better option unless you are trying someone's calibration settings.
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That's weird. If I recall correctly, when I first tested my 60F5300, I think Auto and Custom were the same since Custom seemed to populate the numbers with what Auto mode used (that was my guess). Perhaps try resetting all settings in the menu to defaults and then see if you are still seeing this discrepancy? If you don't have a meter, Auto should be the better option unless you are trying someone's calibration settings.
Orion, I am using your settings for custom color space on the 60F5300 right now (movie mode), and I can't see any visible difference switching between auto and custom as I watch football. So, my eyes are not able to detect what is apparent in metering.

In any event, the picture quality is splendid.
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Is there a huge difference between the 5300A and the 5300B? I have heard the B is the newer panel?
I bought one recently when Sears had it for $499 and I wasn't paying attention at the time and got the A.
Best Buy apparently has the A as well.
I could still return my set and try to find a B, is that worthwhile?

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Is there a huge difference between the 5300A and the 5300B? I have heard the B is the newer panel?
I bought one recently when Sears had it for $499 and I wasn't paying attention at the time and got the A.
Best Buy apparently has the A as well.
I could still return my set and try to find a B, is that worthwhile?
If you're going to be doing any time of dark room viewing, the B will offer notably better blacks and contrast. MLL is close to .002 where as the A is around .006. I've read the out of box settings are better on the B, but my B set was pro cal'd and came out great. The B seems to also offer more light output calibrated and the 10 point controls don't break with Cell Light is at 20 which will allow for a better calibration with less ABL.


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Is there a huge difference between the 5300A and the 5300B? I have heard the B is the newer panel?
I bought one recently when Sears had it for $499 and I wasn't paying attention at the time and got the A.
Best Buy apparently has the A as well.
I could still return my set and try to find a B, is that worthwhile?

I believe it is worthwhile as the B supposedly has much deeper blacks and no floating or rising blacks. I'm looking for a B model as well.
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I believe it is worthwhile as the B supposedly has much deeper blacks and no floating or rising blacks. I'm looking for a B model as well.
The blacks still float on the B, but they are not anywhere as obvious as previous Samsung plasmas I have watched.

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Is there a huge difference between the 5300A and the 5300B? I have heard the B is the newer panel?
I bought one recently when Sears had it for $499 and I wasn't paying attention at the time and got the A.
Best Buy apparently has the A as well.
I could still return my set and try to find a B, is that worthwhile?
I have had both the A and B models and much prefer the B.

Best Buy online seems to list all 51" and 60" F5300s as A models, but I have looked at several in store that were Bs, so don't rely on their web listings. Also, when Sears had the 60F5300 on sale for $700 I called them and was told they were shipping B models only.
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If you're going to be doing any time of dark room viewing, the B will offer notably better blacks and contrast. MLL is close to .002 where as the A is around .006. I've read the out of box settings are better on the B, but my B set was pro cal'd and came out great. The B seems to also offer more light output calibrated and the 10 point controls don't break with Cell Light is at 20 which will allow for a better calibration with less ABL.
It would be in a room for mostly darker evening viewing so I'm sure I would appreciate the deeper blacks.
So it sounds like I would be better off with the B.
The trick now will be finding one at a decent price.

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I have had both the A and B models and much prefer the B.

Best Buy online seems to list all 51" and 60" F5300s as A models, but I have looked at several in store that were Bs, so don't rely on their web listings. Also, when Sears had the 60F5300 on sale for $700 I called them and was told they were shipping B models only.
Looks like I made a mistake and should have been certain I was getting the B.
I'll check our local Best Buy to see what they really have in stock. I know it's $50 more then what I paid from Sears, Walmart is even more right now. I'll also have to deal with the return issue.
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Quick question...

Do any of the Eco Solution/Energy Saving settings change the MLL (minimum light level) on the F5300s? IOW, do higher Energy Saving settings make the blacks darker? Or are they all about the same?

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Quick question...

Do any of the Eco Solution/Energy Saving settings change the MLL (minimum light level) on the F5300s? IOW, do higher Energy Saving settings make the blacks darker? Or are they all about the same?
no, only the black optimizer setting (dark room or bright room) changes minimum luminance.
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I just purchased this television. Do I need to break it in or is it good out the box? If I need to break it in where can I download the break-in images?
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I just purchased this television. Do I need to break it in or is it good out the box? If I need to break it in where can I download the break-in images?
You don't need to run break in slides or images, in my estimation. Just avoid static images and try to stick with full screen programming for the first 100-200 hours. Plug in these settings recommended by Orion2001 and you should be good to go.
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no, only the black optimizer setting (dark room or bright room) changes minimum luminance.
Thanks, zoyd. That was my recollection, but I couldn't remember if I tested the different Energy Saving modes to see if any were darker in terms of MLL.

I tried out a new Sony LED that was on sale recently (because LEDs don't generally burn-in), and was fairly impressed by its blacks and contrast, for such a low-cost TV. But the viewing angles and calibration features on it were pretty miserable. When viewed straight on from the front, the blacks/MLL actually looked deeper to me on the Sony LED than the Sammy F5300 and F4500. The contrast, blacks and color got noticeably worse though as I moved off-axis, to less desireable viewing angles. So not quite sure where to go from here.

I think there are LEDs with better viewing angles than the model I tried (KDL-40R380B), but they may not have as good contrast ratio/blacks (when viewed at the optimum angles).

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What sort of settings are recommended if I would decide to run break-in slides after I setup my new 51f5300? Perhaps just plug in Orion's setting and run the slides?

I know slides aren't necessary, but it's more piece of mind for me with watching a large amount of TV with static images... I'd rather do that after slides have been run for a while.
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