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Actually i was at Audio Video Center a few weeks ago and they have a curved Sony 4K LCD TV.

I also saw the stupid curved LG and Samsung 55" OLEDs for the first time, and i wasn't wowed much. The picture quality they were showing was pretty similar to my 55" ST60.



Yes Sony has a curved 65" LCD but it is not 4K. I have seen it as well. As for OLED, I still have not seen one in person yet. We will all find out what CES 2014 will bring, hopefully non curved OLEDS.

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Panasonic worked against themselves by producing so many different lines with differences in menus, aesthetics, filters, geographical features, and the list is basically endless down to the driving of each panel

How can you put out an X, U, UT, ST, GT, VT, ZT, PB, PH, PF, VX etc product lines in various sizes and make incremental improvements every 12 months without losing money? seems like a lot of wasted effort when you are years ahead of the competition from a technical standpoint.

As long as a line reaches it's quota, it will show a profit. Once certain models become less popular, the line is reduced. Also, there was redundancy in some units. Due to differences in distribution markets, the name was changed, but the model was the same.

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How else does Samsung and LG made mega bucks and Panasonic did not?


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I guess you are right Ian

 

I like the simpler days when you have a monitor + video proc + outboard audio, all this integration is not my cup of tea

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I guess you are right Ian

I like the simpler days when you have a monitor + video proc + outboard audio, all this integration is not my cup of tea


So do I. I've always preferred separate components for audio and video set ups. I guess we're old school.


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There evidently will be a 2014 Samsung plasma--what are the Vegas odds on a 2015 Samsung plasma?
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There evidently will be a 2014 Samsung plasma--what are the Vegas odds on a 2015 Samsung plasma?

Do you want to lay odds if the 2014 Samsung PDPs will emit the same buzzing noise as their 2013 predecessors do?
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There evidently will be a 2014 Samsung plasma--what are the Vegas odds on a 2015 Samsung plasma?

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Do you want to lay odds if the 2014 Samsung PDPs will emit the same buzzing noise as their 2013 predecessors do?


Let me call my bookie.


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Dang, I wanted to get an ST60 on my birthday in April 2014, but I can't even find one online today. I would prefer the 42" version of it, but I could settle for a bigger size if need be. Is there some place I can still get it? There are none in local SEARS or BestBuy.

Samsung APL contrast ratio is on the level of an LCD TV... Panaosnic was the only real option for a plasma TV for those who were aware of all the facts.
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With upcoming OLED displays, it only makes sense for Panasonic to disco plasma's now and it won't be long for LG & Samsung to follow IMO. OLED will provide best of both worlds with contrast, black levels, overall PQ of plasma and have the slimness, brightness and energy efficiency of LED/LCD. The real win is for the consumer right now as you can grab plasma PQ for less, use it for 4-5 years, and by that time grab an OLED for consumer level prices.
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OLED reaching mass market isn't a sure bet (hope I'm wrong).
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OLED reaching mass market isn't a sure bet (hope I'm wrong).

Yes, unfortunately I'm becoming more and more skeptical as the days and months pass that it ever will.
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OLED reaching mass market isn't a sure bet (hope I'm wrong).

A few months ago i said that i actually don't expect Panasonic to follow through with their plans to make OLED TVs, and now it's looking more and more like they will get out of the consumer TV business completely within a year or two. They couldn't sell enough Plasma TVs to make a profit, so i honestly don't think they can sell OLED TVs that look only a little better than a VT60 but cost thousands more than a VT60.
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A few months ago i said that i actually don't expect Panasonic to follow through with their plans to make OLED TVs, and now it's looking more and more like they will get out of the consumer TV business completely within a year or two. They couldn't sell enough Plasma TVs to make a profit, so i honestly don't think they can sell OLED TVs that look only a little better than a VT60 but cost thousands more than a VT60.


I guess that's one of the few topics that you and I disagree on. They just started releasing 4k LED LCDs, which so far have come with mixed reviews. However, until there is actually enough 4k content, there isn't going to be a positive reaction to any of these TV's. Although this a transition time for Panasonic, which is based on a change in priorities, I still believe those priorities include designing and building video products based on future technologies.


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With this economy, $9000 55" curved OLEDs may go the way of SED-TVs and the Dodo bird; gone before they ever become main stream.
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With this economy, $9000 55" curved OLEDs may go the way of SED-TVs and the Dodo bird; gone before they ever become main stream.

I believe there will be flat OLED's on display at CES next month.


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With this economy, $9000 55" curved OLEDs may go the way of SED-TVs and the Dodo bird; gone before they ever become main stream.
At least they're already ahead of SED...they actually made it to the market.
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With this economy, $9000 55" curved OLEDs may go the way of SED-TVs and the Dodo bird; gone before they ever become main stream.

I believe there will be flat OLED's on display at CES next month.

 

I suspect this is going to be a fairly weird directionless seeming CES.  Or at least perhaps the directions they expound upon will ring hollow.

 

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I am starting to believe OLEDs will simply be too expensive to have an impact. This goes double due to a bad economy.
Ironically, I believe this will keep plasma, at least with Samsung alive for at least 2 years. More if they ever figure out how to make an energy efficient 4k plasma.
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At least they're already ahead of SED...they actually made it to the market.

Good point.
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Not to get to far off topic but regarding financing in Sony's case at least they have a large finance and insurance services business flush with cash bigger than their consumer electronics and entertainment divisions that could be their deep pockets ?

I just bough a Sammy plasma about 10 mo ago good picture . My second set a Toshiba LED/LCD ofc it has better bright room perf.
The Plasma wins hands down on BD and Football today on it was very good. Hopefully Sammie and LG will keep the plasma lines going until and if OLED becomes affordable .

I'm sure most here are aware that Sony and Panasonic recently ended their joint OLED development at least for now
that may be more of a prudent business decision than not considering the current state of OLED progress.

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I got the chance to see the ZT60 next to the LG EA9800 OLED. I have to say, im not impressed at all. The difference in picture quality was negligible at best. Of course the OLED was brighter, but the ZT60 was plenty bright. Who in their right mind would buy one of these at $8.5k when they can get the same picture quality in a larger, flat version for 1/4 of the price? confused.gif If Panasonic was to keep producing plasma's during the introduction of OLED I doubt OLED would have a chance to take off.
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Ohhhh plasma... How I just got to know you, seems like yesterday. And now you're just fading away :(

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Panasonic ended the OLED joint venture with Sony. How nice tongue.gif

Will Panasonic reconsider now producing Plasma (again)?

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I got the chance to see the ZT60 next to the LG EA9800 OLED. I have to say, im not impressed at all. The difference in picture quality was negligible at best. Of course the OLED was brighter, but the ZT60 was plenty bright. Who in their right mind would buy one of these at $8.5k when they can get the same picture quality in a larger, flat version for 1/4 of the price? confused.gif If Panasonic was to keep producing plasma's during the introduction of OLED I doubt OLED would have a chance to take off.

I've seen a review of that set in S&V and like most LG flat panel TV's, it's not the best example when it comes to the performance of current OLED's.

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Panasonic ended the OLED joint venture with Sony. How nice tongue.gif

Will Panasonic reconsider now producing Plasma (again)?

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Not a chance. But just because Sony couldn't built a reliable panel with the current technology, doesn't mean it can't be done with further R&D.


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So, is there still a place where you can buy Panasonic ST60 or is it available only locally?
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Panasonic ended the OLED joint venture with Sony. How nice tongue.gif

Will Panasonic reconsider now producing Plasma (again)?

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I don't think so, just found out Panasonic sold off half its semiconductor business which is a strong indicator they are moving far away from television and other consumer electronics

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^Can you provide a link to substantiate that? It definitely doesn't portend well for their future in consumer electronics.
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I've seen a review of that set in S&V and like most LG flat panel TV's, it's not the best example when it comes to the performance of current OLED's.
Chad B and Cleveland Plasma were quite pleased by it. There is really only one other OLED TV on the market.
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Found an article concerning the selling of that business: http://www.towerjazz.com/prs/TowerJazz_Panasonic_JV_JOINTPR_20Dec2013.pdf

Panasonic still retains 49% ownership, and it looks to involve the outsourcing of manufacturing of consumer products....haven't heard of TowerJazz, so I wonder what this means for quality.
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So, is there still a place where you can buy Panasonic ST60 or is it available only locally?

 

Did you look?

 

Amazon has 50", 55", and 65" available, but the new ones are all from marketplace vendors with "hole in the wall" sounding names, so I wouldn't trust it.  Some of the used ones are FBA/prime though which is fairly risk free.

 

BB has some sizes too.  Note: this link leads to items sold BY best buy----not their marketplace vendors.  Since they're new to that maketplace game, I wouldn't trust it yet.


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I don't think so, just found out Panasonic sold off half its semiconductor business which is a strong indicator they are moving far away from television and other consumer electronics

OK lets just talk about Panasonic refigeratotors, irons and washmashins instead...
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