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Thanks for this thread, superleo. I have a couple if questions if you don't mind.

I just got this TV a couple of days ago and should I wait until I'm at 100 hours before trying your settings? Is there anything I should really turn down during the "break-in" phase? I turned some stuff down for the break-in at the advice of another member (e.g. cell light = 12, contrast = 75-80).

Also what is the purpose of the ColorHCFR file in the OP? Is that for only if you have a calibrator?
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Thanks for this thread, superleo. I have a couple if questions if you don't mind.

I just got this TV a couple of days ago and should I wait until I'm at 100 hours before trying your settings? Is there anything I should really turn down during the "break-in" phase? I turned some stuff down for the break-in at the advice of another member (e.g. cell light = 12, contrast = 75-80).

Also what is the purpose of the ColorHCFR file in the OP? Is that for only if you have a calibrator?

The best thing that you can do, to protect your TV from burned in and image retention, during the first 100-200 hours is what you did -- lowering the contrast. Even with the lower contrast you should try to avoid watching content with tickers or static images. If you do, change to something with a full screen for 30 min before tuning off the TV.

The HCFR file is for those interested on the full array of measurements. ColorHCFR is a free program used for calibration. You can download it, install it and open the file to check ALL the graphs and measurements.

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The best thing that you can do, to protect your TV from burned in and image retention, during the first 100-200 hours is what you did -- lowering the contrast. Even with the lower contrast you should try to avoid watching content with tickers or static images. If you do, change to something with a full screen for 30 min before tuning off the TV.

The HCFR file is for those interested on the full array of measurements. ColorHCFR is a free program used for calibration. You can download it, install it and open the file to check ALL the graphs and measurements.

Thanks for the info! biggrin.gif
Do you think I should go lower on contrast or is 75-80 fine?
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You are fine there.

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This good for the PN51F5500 as well since it's all in the same series just different size?
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Menu Settings

Picture Settings

Cell - 16
Contrast - 91
Brightness - 43
Sharpness - 15
Color - 50
Tint - G49-R51
Color Tone - Standard
HDMI Black Level - Low
Black Opt - Darkroom
Flesh Tones - -2
Gamma - 0

White Balance

ROff - 21
GOff - 24
BOff - 8
RGain - 45
GGain - 31
BGain - 15

Any additional processing OFF

Thank you for these settings, I went ahead on my 51 inch model with your calibration and everything looks fantastic. Only adjustments I made was sharpness a little higher (I like a sharper pic just me) and color at 49 instead of 50 using the RGB Blue filter mode was the accurate setting through Xbox Ones built in color calibration setter. Also this made whites much brighter IMHO and less gray. Is there any huge difference with leaving the Black Optimizer on Auto compared to Dark Room? I have a completely dark room at night of course but during the day I have light though without the reflection on tv as they are skylights. So would it be best to leave it at Auto or wouldn't matter? Ty again
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Thank you for these settings, I went ahead on my 51 inch model with your calibration and everything looks fantastic. Only adjustments I made was sharpness a little higher (I like a sharper pic just me) and color at 49 instead of 50 using the RGB Blue filter mode was the accurate setting through Xbox Ones built in color calibration setter. Also this made whites much brighter IMHO and less gray. Is there any huge difference with leaving the Black Optimizer on Auto compared to Dark Room? I have a completely dark room at night of course but during the day I have light though without the reflection on tv as they are skylights. So would it be best to leave it at Auto or wouldn't matter? Ty again

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Have you tried both?

Yes and Auto seems to have deeper blacks no matter the time of day. I just wanted to know the huge difference as he did an accurate calibration with it on dark room only.
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I have never used auto, since every recommendation I've seen is with native mode.

I'll take a look using auto.

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Yes and Auto seems to have deeper blacks no matter the time of day. I just wanted to know the huge difference as he did an accurate calibration with it on dark room only.
auto and dark room for the black optimizer produce the same black level
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Ok I finally had a quieter weekend with some time to try the settings you outlined. And wow, kudos. Amazing job.

 

I use it only on my blu ray player input (HDMI 2), as that is where I get anal about PQ (TV viewing is full of compressed signals, I have it set now where it looks okay for any channel we have it on).

So over the weekend I watched four movies with your settings. Hobbit/Smaug, 47 Ronin, Escape Plan, and even a comedy; Bad Grandpa.

 

Incredible. Colours were perfectly balanced. As interested as I am in tv displays, I don't have the know-how of dialling in things like white balance, etc. Watching these movies was a feast for the eyes. Absolutely cinema quality. Good stuff and thanks again for putting the work into this! :D

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Glad is useful information and it works for your TV.

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Menu Settings

Picture Settings
Cell - 16
Contrast - 91
Brightness - 43
Sharpness - 15
Color - 50
Tint - G49-R51
Color Tone - Standard
HDMI Black Level - Low
Black Opt - Darkroom
Flesh Tones - -2
Gamma - 0

White Balance
ROff - 21
GOff - 24
BOff - 8
RGain - 45
GGain - 31
BGain - 15

Any additional processing OFF

Superleo,

Thanks for the settings. I am more of an audio guy than video, so I apologize if below is more basic.
- I understand the provided numbers are for a specific PDP in a specific room, but have confidence your numbers are way closer than I would be able to guess at / find by blind luck (pun intended).
- In my case the PN60 is wall mounted in a media room (i.e. dark with no windows) with the seats 12 feet from screen, sources are TWC digital/analog cable, Samsung BDC5500 BluRay, and Oppo 980H DVD.

Two questions.

1) To confirm "Any additional processing OFF" would mean . . .
From the "Advanced Settings Menu":
Dynamic Contrast Off
Black Tone Off
RGB Only Mode Off
Color Space Native (as opposed to Auto)

From the "Picture Options Menu":
Color Tone Standard
Digital Clean View Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
HDMI Black Level Low
Film Mode Off
Auto Motion Plus Standard
Cinema Black Off

2) When I put in your recommended numbers and the menu settings above, the broadcast 1080i (HD channels) looked great, but 480i (standard cable channels) looked worse compared to Samsung's standard "Movie" numbers and settings ??

a) Is this a case of more accurate settings exposing the flaws in imperfect media; like one finds on the audio side of things with more accurate/revealing speakers?
or
b) Is there another way to improve the 480i picture, i.e. "Channel Settings/Fine Tune"?

Thanks in advance,
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hello superleo these settings you posted on the f5500 are excellent by far than the dics i have tried if there are any other settings you have too share that are helpful by all means please post them ASAP u d'man :):cool:

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Two questions.

1) To confirm "Any additional processing OFF" would mean . . .
From the "Advanced Settings Menu":
Dynamic Contrast Off
Black Tone Off
RGB Only Mode Off
Color Space Native (as opposed to Auto)

From the "Picture Options Menu":
Color Tone Standard
Digital Clean View Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
HDMI Black Level Low
Film Mode Off
Auto Motion Plus Standard
Cinema Black Off

2) When I put in your recommended numbers and the menu settings above, the broadcast 1080i (HD channels) looked great, but 480i (standard cable channels) looked worse compared to Samsung's standard "Movie" numbers and settings ??

a) Is this a case of more accurate settings exposing the flaws in imperfect media; like one finds on the audio side of things with more accurate/revealing speakers?
or
b) Is there another way to improve the 480i picture, i.e. "Channel Settings/Fine Tune"?

Thanks in advance,
XEagleDriver

As far as any extra or additional processing, you could try it on/off and see which way you like it better. I am going with purist recommendation on not adding any additional processing, or as little proceeding, as needed, but I guess they are there for a reason and if they look better for you use them.

Regarding 480i/p, there is nothing you can do to make it look better. The information is just not there. If anything you can upconverted to 1080i/p that would make it decent but it will never be as real 1080. Most blurays upcomvert DVD, but if you are referring to broadcast source then a video processor would be needed such as a lumagen of DVDO.

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Thanks Superleo.

Got my set today and started off with a different set of calibration settings found elsewhere in this forum.

After I got done, the picture was washed out and looked terrible. Even my wife commented how bad the picture was.

I changed my setting to match yours and the difference is amazing!

Now I see why so many of the comments describe the picture quality of this set as "amazing".

I'll probably try to calibrate it myself after the break-in period, but if this is as good as it gets I'm very happy with my purchase!

Thanks again.
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New Firmware out.
Just installed it, I don't know what actually changed, but not any naked eye differences perceived so far.

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Great thread.

Using these settings on the 51" F5500 and just one thing I'm noticing. It seems as if skin tones are a bit too reddish. To be honest, I'm not sure if it's just the content I'm watching or if the settings need tweaking.

Anyone care to comment or have any advice?

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Hello superleo,

Thanks for the settings. Is it possible they might be a little off for other plasma TVs?

I tried your calibrations and everything had a yellow tone to it, despite being set to standard. Skin tones also are very red and tan, it seems very unnatural.

Is this normal?
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Hello superleo,

Thanks for the settings. Is it possible they might be a little off for other plasma TVs?

I tried your calibrations and everything had a yellow tone to it, despite being set to standard. Skin tones also are very red and tan, it seems very unnatural.

Is this normal?
These numbers are the calibration results for my TV. We would like to think that the results could just be used on another display, which for the most part works to some degree.

I would suggest to download one of the calibration discs. These discs are patterns that one uses to calibrate the basic controls on a tv, contrast, brightness, color and tint. Believe it or not these patters will take you very close to the real thing. Now if you are a geek,like most of us in this forum, then most likely you would like to go through a full calibration, for that you would need a meter and software, either free or a commercial/professional type. If you visit the Calibration threads you could find a lot of useful information.

Let us know your progress and how your tv's PQ improves.

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Hi all,

If you follow the link below it takes you to a full write up of what the Black Optimizer really does. The tv on this write up is the 5300 model. This model is supposed to be based on the same video panel. However the firmware for this tv is the more complete / advanced firmware. Never the less the results should be the same for the 5500 model.
LastButNotLeast (Michael) has taken the time to actually measure the different settings.

It is very useful and informative.

Samsung PN60F5300 calibration settings?

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I had not checked for software updates in a while, I checked yesterday and there is a new firmware update out.
For those who like to keep their TVs with the latest firmware.
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Picture looks great except for when watching a movie in 3d. It then looks too dark and colours don't look right. Are there adjustments I can make when watching something in 3d to improve the picture? Thanks.
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Hi guys, my first post on this forum. My name is mike. I also would like to know how to adjust the settings superleo stated (which are great by the way) but how would you adjust it so it compensates for 3d viewing? I assume it would be brightness and colour adjustments? Any info from anyone would be helpful. Cheers,

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For the ones looking for better settings for 3D. I have not made a calibration under 3D. I don't think I could get anything close to a real 3D calibration. What I've done is just "adjust" to what I like.

You need to be in 3D mode first. Then what I've done is:
"cell light" to 20
"contrast" to 98.
"brightens" to 53,
"color" 55.

In the Advance settings, I'm not sure what the default is but change "picture" to warm 2, "skin tone" to 0.

If you happen to have something different that you like, please post your suggestions.

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