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Is there a chance for the development of plasma technologies 4K?
Why can not produce plasma 4K?

After all, technology is evolving all the time smile.gif
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would probably be to expensive.

Just take a look at the TH 152UX1, it will cost you $500.000 (In Europe it will cost you €600.000). Other than that there is only a 4K Samsung Plasma prototype.

2010: Panasonic TH 152UX1 4K Plasma
http://www.panasonic.com/business/Plasma/3D/3D-Plasma-TH-152UX1.asp

2008: Samsung 4K Plasma Prototype
http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/30/samsung-sdi-shows-off-63-inch-4k-x-2k-plasma/
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Is there a chance for the development of plasma technologies 4K?
Why can not produce plasma 4K? After all, technology is evolving all the time smile.gif

It's technically possible to make a 4K Plasma, but it's so complicated and expensive that it's not really feasible to bring such a display to market.

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It's technically possible to make a 4K Plasma, but it's so complicated and expensive that it's not really feasible to bring such a display to market.

How do you know the high cost of production?

Where is it written?

Where wrote Samsung 60 Plasma production cost "???

Write without bringing evidence is not serious
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The circumstantial evidence alone (not a single one is slated for mass manufacturing) is proof enough that they are cost prohibitive.

There's no reason to believe that Samsung's reasons won't mirror that of Panasonic's for choosing to not mass manufacture a 4K panel since the technology is similar:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm
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The issue is pixel density. It's the same reason why 1080p small size plasmas aren't cost effective.

For example, a 40 inch 1080p plasma would be 55 PPI. We know that 1080p plasmas only really start to become economical at 50 inches or so and that would be 44 PPI.

A 65" TV at 4k would be a whopping 67 PPI. To achieve the same PPI threshold for 4k as 1080p (around 45), you would need around a 95" plasma which becomes cost prohibitive for other reasons.

It's just a limitation of the technology. Cells basically have a minimum size they can be for reliable operation without a ton more R&D being invested and that simply isn't going to happen now. Even if there were funds for it, there's no certainty of a breakthrough.
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It's technically possible to make a 4K Plasma, but it's so complicated and expensive that it's not really feasible to bring such a display to market.

How do you know the high cost of production?

Where is it written?

Where wrote Samsung 60 Plasma production cost "???

Write without bringing evidence is not serious

It was reported by the Panasonic insider in his thread at HDJ. You won't see any more Consumer Plasma development on this planet.
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It's technically possible to make a 4K Plasma, but it's so complicated and expensive that it's not really feasible to bring such a display to market.

How do you know the high cost of production?

Where is it written?

Where wrote Samsung 60 Plasma production cost "???

Write without bringing evidence is not serious

Well if you're not going to believe the answers to questions that you post here, then don't bother asking the questions.

Why don't you just do a little searching and you'll find the answers for yourself as it's been discussed already; I'm not going to bother providing evidence to you.

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I think 4k is what put the nail in Plasma's coffin.

Consumers are going to start demanding their televisions be "4k" (even though most have no idea what that means or that there's zero content), and manufacturers know they're looking at a lot of R&D for a plasma line that's already dying.

The idea of plasma staying at 1080p but LCDs being 4k would just be another point in consumer's mind that plasma is yesterday's technology.

I would love to have a plasma with a Kuro's specs for a budget price, even if it's "only 1080p" but I'm not most consumers.
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From an engineering standpoint based to today's plasmas, the power consumption would be extremely high. 60+ inch plasmas may consume up to 600+ watts. Multiply that by 4.

Remember, in plasma each phosphor produces it's own light

LCD/LED has a back-light that illuminates multiple pixels, so the energy usage is not greatly affected by number of pixels.
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Could you imagine the heat generated by a 4K plasma? Or the buzz? Plus as stated above, the energy consumption would not meet US standards, and thus would never be sold in US.

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Right now Panasonic has no OLED
and no Plasma 4K

All because of Europe
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/4k-plasma-201311133417.htm

Panasonic has made a serious mistake
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Nobody has a 4K plasma, and Samsung and LG are the only ones with OLED panels currently available for purchase.
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Nobody has a 4K plasma, and Samsung and LG are the only ones with OLED panels currently available for purchase.

What's new?
Know there NO manufacturer with 4K plasma
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Samsung and LG are the only ones with OLED
What's new?
What is the connection to my question?
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You introduced OLED to the discussion, so you should start by explaining what *that* has to do with your original question.

My statement was more of an admission that OLED with its anemic sales is not a viable product right now given the high cost. Panasonic isn't losing anything by not having a $6k (or likely higher) priced set that will only sell a few units a month at most. Anemic sales resulting in underutilization of facilities and hired labor is one reason why Panasonic finds itself in its unenviable financial hole today. One can understand why they're reticent to jump headlong into another money pit.
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You take things out of context and irrelevant answers
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Tell me how OLED is relevant to a thread specifically inquiring about 4k plasma. If you are unable, don't complain about the relevance of my posts.
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