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I was going to top one of the couple threads I see on the warehouse store Samsung F5350s but I'm hoping to get some general advice too so here goes:

I just came across the Samsung F5350s for sale in-store at local Costcos and I'm really considering it but pretty torn.

A couple questions:

I've been in the market to upgrade my 42" Panasonic GT25 (TC-P42GT25) to a comparable 60" for a long time now and was finally ready to bite the bullet on a VT60 because I saw them for sub-$2k. But now that they've been discontinued I see they've essentially hit collector's market prices and I'm at a loss for what to do. When it comes down to it the panel and PQ are my main concerns but the Samsung definitely seems like a downgrade in every way other than size. Would the panel at least be same or better PQ than my Panasonic?

Second, the ones I saw in store were marked as being PN60F5350A. I understand that the F5350 is a warehouse store model but I wasn't sure if the A was a different version on top of that. Maybe with an AR filter? Was anyone ever able to confirm for certain that that F5350 has one or not?

Thanks for any and all advice! Basically I'm really wanting to upgrade to a 60". My budget is somewhat limited and I'm willing to sacrifice some bells & whistles from my current set but would prefer to stick with a mid-to-high end set. I'm mostly just really bummed that its looking like I've been priced out of buying a Panasonic again...
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I was going to top one of the couple threads I see on the warehouse store Samsung F5350s but I'm hoping to get some general advice too so here goes:

I just came across the Samsung F5350s for sale in-store at local Costcos and I'm really considering it but pretty torn.

A couple questions:

I've been in the market to upgrade my 42" Panasonic GT25 (TC-P42GT25) to a comparable 60" for a long time now and was finally ready to bite the bullet on a VT60 because I saw them for sub-$2k. But now that they've been discontinued I see they've essentially hit collector's market prices and I'm at a loss for what to do. When it comes down to it the panel and PQ are my main concerns but the Samsung definitely seems like a downgrade in every way other than size. Would the panel at least be same or better PQ than my Panasonic?

Second, the ones I saw in store were marked as being PN60F5350A. I understand that the F5350 is a warehouse store model but I wasn't sure if the A was a different version on top of that. Maybe with an AR filter? Was anyone ever able to confirm for certain that that F5350 has one or not?

Thanks for any and all advice! Basically I'm really wanting to upgrade to a 60". My budget is somewhat limited and I'm willing to sacrifice some bells & whistles from my current set but would prefer to stick with a mid-to-high end set. I'm mostly just really bummed that its looking like I've been priced out of buying a Panasonic again...

The Samsung should be very comparable to your GT25 in black level. I'm reading 0.0083 fL for the G25 and 0.004 fL for the GT20. However, you may want to think twice about going with a 60 inch F5300/F5500 though. It uses pentile array. And no F5300/F5500 ever came with an anti glare filter. If you want one with no pentile array, and an anti glare filter, go with the 64 inch H5000.
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The Samsung should be very comparable to your GT25 in black level. I'm reading 0.0083 fL for the G25 and 0.004 fL for the GT20. However, you may want to think twice about going with a 60 inch F5300/F5500 though. It uses pentile array. And no F5300/F5500 ever came with an anti glare filter. If you want one with no pentile array, and an anti glare filter, go with the 64 inch H5000.

That's why I always thought the text on that thing is pixelated. Kind of like the pentile display on the Samsung Galaxy phone. My eyes are sensitive to pentile display, lol.

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Downpresser :It will be a worthy upgrade as 42" to 60 is a major upgrade.

the PQ will be better on the 5350 because it has cms white balance and 10pt white balance as well. being a panasonic owner i worried about i.r on this samsung well im happy say I.r does not appear. very very happy.

and Sound this i was very worried as well as i have very bad hearing mad.gif choose sound mode standard then sound effects turn on dts tru surround then go to equaizer

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I was going to top one of the couple threads I see on the warehouse store Samsung F5350s but I'm hoping to get some general advice too so here goes:

I just came across the Samsung F5350s for sale in-store at local Costcos and I'm really considering it but pretty torn.

A couple questions:

I've been in the market to upgrade my 42" Panasonic GT25 (TC-P42GT25) to a comparable 60" for a long time now and was finally ready to bite the bullet on a VT60 because I saw them for sub-$2k. But now that they've been discontinued I see they've essentially hit collector's market prices and I'm at a loss for what to do. When it comes down to it the panel and PQ are my main concerns but the Samsung definitely seems like a downgrade in every way other than size. Would the panel at least be same or better PQ than my Panasonic?

Second, the ones I saw in store were marked as being PN60F5350A. I understand that the F5350 is a warehouse store model but I wasn't sure if the A was a different version on top of that. Maybe with an AR filter? Was anyone ever able to confirm for certain that that F5350 has one or not?

Thanks for any and all advice! Basically I'm really wanting to upgrade to a 60". My budget is somewhat limited and I'm willing to sacrifice some bells & whistles from my current set but would prefer to stick with a mid-to-high end set. I'm mostly just really bummed that its looking like I've been priced out of buying a Panasonic again...

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Does the pn60f5350a have internet connectivity,wired or wifi?

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Does the pn60f5350a have internet connectivity,wired or wifi?

thank you!

I'm not sure about the connectivity, I don't remember it having an ethernet port so I would guess not.

Cross posting this info here to try and get some more opinions:

Hey guys. I posted a thread a couple weeks ago regarding my frustrations with Panasonics hitting collector's market prices right around the time I was ready to upgrade. After a lot of searching I finally came across some floor model 65" VT60 and ST60s.

I was able to haggle down the VT60 to around $1500. That what would be an incredible deal if brand new but I'm obviously nervous about a floor model plasma that has a LOT of hours on it. It seems in perfect condition otherwise and I couldn't detect and IR/burn-in.

What do people think?? Here is a camera shot of the version menu to give people an idea of the amount of time on it:

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Wow, almost 4000 hours. eek.gif My S64 hits 930 hours BTW. I got it last November and I've already accumulated this much. biggrin.gif
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^^^^ I bought a floor model 65" recently have no regrets thus far. 3300 hours. I sucessfully registered it on the Panasonic site for the warranty. Really no comparison between the VT60 and F5350, I used to own a GT25 and the VT60 is a huge upgrade smile.gif

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Wow, almost 4000 hours. eek.gif My S64 hits 930 hours BTW. I got it last November and I've already accumulated this much. biggrin.gif

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^^^^ I bought a floor model 65" recently have no regrets thus far. 3300 hours. I sucessfully registered it on the Panasonic site for the warranty. Really no comparison between the VT60 and F5350, I used to own a GT25 and the VT60 is a huge upgrade smile.gif

Yea, I'm kind of feeling like I just need to do it, regardless of the hours. I don't anticipate being able to buy another in the near future in any condition. Like I said, no problems with the image that I can see and I'll get a full warranty as if buying new, in addition to likely buying a SquareTrade on top of that.
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If it is IR free that is amazing, mine has ESPN IR that is slowly fading. This is a 60" or 65" ?

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If it is IR free that is amazing, mine has ESPN IR that is slowly fading. This is a 60" or 65" ?

I'm going to ask them to take it down from the shelf it's on so I can look closer but it seemed fine.

It's a 65". All they have left are 65" floor models for a VT60 and an ST60.
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Run the screen wipe the IR will show up on that if there is any, that is in the picture settings menu. That's one heck of a price better by about $200 hundred than what I paid.

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65 inch one for $1500? eek.gif I would buy it in a heartbeat! Yeah, the hours are kinda high, but knowing Panasonic's reliability, I don't suppose it's so much of a concern? My S64 has been trouble free all the time and I think phosphor trailing has got better.
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Run the screen wipe the IR will show up on that if there is any, that is in the picture settings menu. That's one heck of a price better by about $200 hundred than what I paid.
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Run the screen wipe the IR will show up on that if there is any, that is in the picture settings menu. That's one heck of a price better by about $200 hundred than what I paid.

Thanks for the advice! I was wondering how best to check in-store. Would bringing a USB with slides be better or should the built-in wipe be sufficient to see IR?
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65 inch one for $1500? eek.gif I would buy it in a heartbeat! Yeah, the hours are kinda high, but knowing Panasonic's reliability, I don't suppose it's so much of a concern? My S64 has been trouble free all the time and I think phosphor trailing has got better.

Yup, feeling more and more that way. My GT25 is wonderful and still runs great after 3 years, I just had always intended to buy something 55" or bigger.
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Slides might so less severe ir but screen wipe should show anything obvious at that price it would have to impact viewing substantially before I would pass on the set
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Slides might so less severe ir but screen wipe should show anything obvious at that price it would have to impact viewing substantially before I would pass on the set

Going to cross-post more info I found today:

So I went back and scrutinized this set again today as well as finding another 65VT60 being offered to me at the same price.

Unfortunately, both have what appears to be fairly bad burn-in. The new one I found has about 1K less hours of use on it but they both have an ESPN logo, a line across the bottom from the top of a ticker bar and some faint lines/boxes on the left side that are from a SportsCenter/PTI type show. The set with 1K less hours seems to have less severe burn in that was hard to notice when I had regular programming on instead of the screen wipe.

Needless to say I'm pretty bummed. I know it's impossible to predict but what is everyone's opinion here? Is this not worth it? Is there *any* chance these marks will come out after a couple months, or at least soften considerable?
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Even with burn in that is in incredible price, I paid 3/4 that for my 42" panel, second hand tongue.gif. I've not had burn in but if I did I'd try running the scrolling bar or pixel jogger from iBrad (60fps continuous white/black frames) in dynamic mode, panel brightness high, contrast to maximum, brightness to minimum, s-curve gamma, ire(white level) to max and so on.. anything to make the white point extremely bright in contrast with black should tease it out if it can be done
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That's exactly the ir pattern I have on my set guessing hhgregg ? I do see it on light colored backgrounds but it does not impact normal viewing for me smile.gif

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Even with burn in that is in incredible price, I paid 3/4 that for my 42" panel, second hand tongue.gif. I've not had burn in but if I did I'd try running the scrolling bar or pixel jogger from iBrad (60fps continuous white/black frames) in dynamic mode, panel brightness high, contrast to maximum, brightness to minimum, s-curve gamma, ire(white level) to max and so on.. anything to make the white point extremely bright in contrast with black should tease it out if it can be done

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That's exactly the ir pattern I have on my set guessing hhgregg ? I do see it on light colored backgrounds but it does not impact normal viewing for me smile.gif

Damn. Didn't expect people to still be telling me to go for it. smile.gif

You guys really think the IR will fade over time even with 2-3K hours? chunon, I guess you have my exact use case. I'm going to see if I can compare and contrast some others. Presumably they will all have the same issues, so whichever has the least hours wins.
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Mine has faded somewhat do I expect to ever go away completely probably not, but considering I paid $1700 for it I am fine with that. I don't see it often and it usually just momentarily on a light background. Only you can decide it is something you can live with. For me the positives of the screen size and outstanding picture quality far outweigh the times I notice the IR.

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Do you remember how many hours were on yours when you bought it? You said 3300 hours but I wasnt sure if you meant thats what you're at now or what was on it...
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3300 when purchased about 3700 now, I spent alot of time the first two weeks running the pixel flipper and screen wipe it did mitigate it somewhat. I am hopeful it will fade further just with regular varied programming. I also decided it wasnt worth the extra wear and tear on my set and have just resumed my normal viewing habits. Believe me after a pro calibration there are very few sets that are comparable.

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Hi Chunon,

 

I recently purchased the 65VT60 from hh gregg and have the same IR/burn in issues that have been mentioned previously in this post (ESPN line/logo on the bottom and ticker on the left).  Further, I have noticed that in the upper right-hand corner of the screen I can see the word "Store" faintly.  Whenever I turn my set on, the "Store" logo shows up in that spot.  Do you know how I can turn this off?  

 

Anyone have any luck with further image retention reductions with their hh gregg burn in sets?

 

Finally, were you given the pixel flipper software upon purchase?  If not, where did you find it?

 

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Have never seen the store logo, run thru the first time setup and you should get an option to go the the "home" use mode


The pixel flipper comes on the DIsney WOW bluray edition.

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Thank you,

 

I unplugged the TV and started her up again and managed to set it up properly this time - no "store" logo now.

 

Also ordered the WOW BR-disc.

 

Thanks for your help

 

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No problem enjoy, it is truly a fantastic set smile.gif

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Well, looks like I can put this issue to be for a while. Thanks to everyone for their advice and encouragement!

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That's exactly the ir pattern I have on my set guessing hhgregg ?

Yes, you guessed correctly, chunon! After getting fed up with all the HHgregg Panasonics being damaged I started exploring some other options. A couple days ago I managed to find a 55" ST60 for less than $800. This was a Sears floor model with approx. 2900 hours on it but has ZERO burn whatsoever. Unbelievable. My friend who helped me pick it up did notice a ~2" scratch on the top center of the screen but that was after both of us scrutinized the display for a long time. Which is to say, the scratch is impossible to see under normal conditions.

Obviously, getting a 60"+ VT60 would have been awesome but not for twice the price and not with what is likely to be permanent burn-in.

Now on to reading up on ST60 settings! I'm a little nervous that I will miss THX mode a LOT. I only ever ran my GT25 on THX mode and was extremely happy with it. I'm not sure where to start exactly as I imagine plugging in D-Nice settings on a 3000 hour floor model won't exactly give desired results.
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Congrats ! The st60 is a very good set. I have one of those as well. Try the settings wont hurt also try cnet sound and vision settings. Because of panel variance you'll never find truly accurate settings becususe they are unique to your panel

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Congrats ! The st60 is a very good set. I have one of those as well. Try the settings wont hurt also try cnet sound and vision settings. Because of panel variance you'll never find truly accurate settings becususe they are unique to your panel

Thanks! I'm really happy with it so far. Considering how big it is in my apartment I can't imagine what the 65" would have been like in there. Not that I'd complain. smile.gif

I will say that 'out of the box' (so to speak in this case) that Cinema and Home Cinema settings look pretty close to what I became accustomed to with THX mode. I thought I saw some people say that in other ST60 posts as well...do you have any further insight?

I also had one issue already that really confused me. I used my old TV as a laptop monitor/HTPC display and am doing the same with this. I never had any issues with it on the GT25 and when I first connected it to the ST60 all was well after adjusting the overscan and image trim settings, everything looked really good. Subsequently I played with some settings and turned on the '1080p pixel direct' as I saw some people say that made text noticeably sharper when using a computer. When I turned it on, everything took on a blue cast, especially black text -- it became distinctly blue and fuzzy. Turned off '1080p pixel direct' and it went back to normal. Didn't really think much of it but after more use the laptop started displaying like that no matter what I did. I eventually had to go in and reset to defaults and now it looks normal again. Any idea what thats about?
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Thanks! I'm really happy with it so far. Considering how big it is in my apartment I can't imagine what the 65" would have been like in there. Not that I'd complain. smile.gif

I will say that 'out of the box' (so to speak in this case) that Cinema and Home Cinema settings look pretty close to what I became accustomed to with THX mode. I thought I saw some people say that in other ST60 posts as well...do you have any further insight?

I also had one issue already that really confused me. I used my old TV as a laptop monitor/HTPC display and am doing the same with this. I never had any issues with it on the GT25 and when I first connected it to the ST60 all was well after adjusting the overscan and image trim settings, everything looked really good. Subsequently I played with some settings and turned on the '1080p pixel direct' as I saw some people say that made text noticeably sharper when using a computer. When I turned it on, everything took on a blue cast, especially black text -- it became distinctly blue and fuzzy. Turned off '1080p pixel direct' and it went back to normal. Didn't really think much of it but after more use the laptop started displaying like that no matter what I did. I eventually had to go in and reset to defaults and now it looks normal again. Any idea what thats about?

Cinema is the most accurate out of the box but switch to mid panel brightness as low degrades blacks.
Custom calibrates the best tho

Have never seen discoloration from pixel direct
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