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I've seen a few deals on 60" versions of these plasmas already even though it seems like they're just starting to hit the streets.

Does anyone here own one? Plan on buying one? Info on other 2014 LG plasma panels in general? I am aware that the general consensus is that LG's plasma panels have always played 2nd fiddle to Panasonic/Samsung at least in terms of PQ but for the price, this might be hard to pass up. Any info would be great!

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-60PB6600-plasma-tv
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I would rate them higher than Samsung if they were not prone to IR, there is more to a picture than black level maybe LG will hit one out the park this year.

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I would rate them higher than Samsung if they were not prone to IR, there is more to a picture than black level maybe LG will hit one out the park this year.

Interesting...I was under the impression that LG's panels were actually the most resistant to IR. Is that traditionally not the case?
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LG has been a distant 3rd in IR and black levels since 2010. They generally suffer from poor contrast ratio(Higher mll) as a result. It is very doubtful there is any significant upgrade for the 2014 lgs, They have not gotten any better the past few years from a PQ standpoint.
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Interesting...I was under the impression that LG's panels were actually the most resistant to IR. Is that traditionally not the case?

 

Its a three horse race so typically speaking Panasonic > Samsung > LG for IR, also typically speaking LG have shadow detail and motion which rivals Panasonic, and a minimum discharge on par with Samsung who drives the pwm harder making better blacks but there is little detail there.

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Seen the PB5600 at local costco. Very nice set. Wasn't still up to the F5300/F5500 MLL-wise but still seems to have a little improvement. The colors are more vibrant than the last year model.

And while it's true in the general consensus, the LG is distance third when it comes to IR, it doesn't mean every LG suffers from it. My previous LG plasma had 'ZERO' IR. Yep, I'm not exaggerating at all. I tried very hard to look for it, but I couldn't. The same can't be said for my current Panasonic S60 plasma. Its IRs don't bother me at all, but I still wouldn't say "ZERO IR", because I still can see them. I abused both with heavy gaming btw. So everything is fair.
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The PB6600 has been on display in my area for the past week or so, and I'd say from an admittedly unfair judgement on a showroom floor it looks pretty mediocre. I'm sure it looks decent in a dark room. Surprisingly it looks even more reflective than the Samsung F5300. I'm sure on price alone LG will sell a ton of these but some type of basic AR filter would have made it much more attractive....I think I'd rather have a decent LED over this set.

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I just got mine home Im about to apply the 60pn5700 settings to see how they look...........Right out the box differences so far are, a mini remote .........no swivel, no wireless wifi..........menu seems the same, Ill update in a few min.

Ok sorry guys just a little back story I still have a 60pn5700 in the house waiting to be picked up it had a bad green blinking pixel and I tried exchanging it but they all out of the 5700's at dell so its going back for a full refund. I picked up this 60pb6600 as a replacement from bestbuy, also the little power light/sensor is in the center bottom instead of on the bottom left hand corner.

Hmm another difference its using picture wizard III......but I didn't use it on the 5700 so I don't know the differences.
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If you contact LG and give them your serial #, they will mail you a wifi dongle. I guess they figure they are saving money by only supplying to people who ask.

Let me know what settings you settle with, I ordered a calibration disc, but it hasn't arrived. I will post what I get from that when I do it.
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If you contact LG and give them your serial #, they will mail you a wifi dongle. I guess they figure they are saving money by only supplying to people who ask.

Let me know what settings you settle with, I ordered a calibration disc, but it hasn't arrived. I will post what I get from that when I do it.

will do......firmware is 03.02.18.......no update available

No dead or irregular pixels

but during setup IR was definitely present, while setting up during initial settings..........right after I threw on solid background colors and saw the menus while some colors were being displayed.

I shut truemotion off as it was the cause of what looked like fast moving objects to spread this looks to me like they couldn't catch up to itself
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Can anybody post pictures of their new 2014 Plasma? Smart TV Menü, Design ect.? :)

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I'm assuming it still has the double pane of glass panel and is ridiculously reflective?
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I'll post the pics of the menu tonight.....and yes its still crazy reflective......but I mostly watch movies at night!
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Is there a general consensus on LG plasmas and line bleed? I have a Samsung 51E550 that has almost zero line bleed (except rarely on poorly mastered video-based, as opposed to film-based, DVDs). From what I've read even Panasonic still had line bleed in 2012 (don't know about 2013?) but I've heard that LG is really good with line bleed.

Anyway, I was kinda wanting to upgrade in size and was considering the 60PB6900. LG black levels are pretty much a moot point for me as they seem to be about on par with the 50/51" Samsung models, which have always been historically higher than their larger panels.
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I saw one of these on display at Best Buy last night. Talked to a guy who was looking at TVs and a preference for plasmas, told him I was considering one too but unfortunately there wasn't much info out there on them.

Picture seemed decent but very reflective as everyone else has said. There is a one other LG that is higher than this one: PN6900. Anybody know if that has an AR coating?

Luckily I managed to find a 55" ST60 earlier this week so I don't need to be concerned about these, just curious. wink.gif
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I have owned the Lg60pb6600 since April 1st. It is mounted over a large fireplace in fairly dark great room and is 10 to 12 feet away. So far everything is looks very good. My 3 year old Samsung plasma had a great picture until it developed a purple rash visible on light backgrounds. I am not disappointed and did a lot of research and viewed a lot of TV's before i purchased the 6600.
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Is there a general consensus on LG plasmas and line bleed? I have a Samsung 51E550 that has almost zero line bleed (except rarely on poorly mastered video-based, as opposed to film-based, DVDs). From what I've read even Panasonic still had line bleed in 2012 (don't know about 2013?) but I've heard that LG is really good with line bleed.

The 2012 Panasonics had horrible line bleed, and also vertical banding problems. I think it was one of their worst years ever, because the 2013 line didn't have the banding problems and had greatly minimized line bleed, but it was still present.

My Samsung PN51F5300 has ZERO line bleed. It's really a fantastic set with great contrast levels. The only reason I'd put it below Panasonic's 2013 line overall is because the blacks are just not as deep and lack some of the detail.

But I can live with that. I have a REAL hard time living with screen artifacts like banding or line bleed.

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It is good to see that LG now has their entry level plasma with the Smart TV interface included. And this menu screen should provide complete program info when you use an OTA antenna. The previous 6500 models the past 2 years had a nice picture at an entry level price point, so this newer 6600 version for 2014 should be nice as well. And I am pleased to see they returned the program info when using an antenna. And their signal strength and signal quality meter is good to have, and it allows for direct manual input tuning when using an antenna.
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My previous LG plasma was not only IR free, but also line bleeding and banding free. It did suffer from some PWM noise but still nowhere near my current Panasonic plasma which is suffering from PWM noise in ADDITION to line bleeding, banding, and phosphor trailing.
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Everyone is shooting for black levels, black levels but if pwm noise could be gone tomorrow what will you choose?
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BLACK LEVELS. biggrin.gif PWM noise just isn't troublesome at my typical seating distances.
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BLACK LEVELS. biggrin.gif PWM noise just isn't troublesome at my typical seating distances.

Me too, but I'm actually watching my Panny nearfield and I can deal with those issues. With the exception of motion performance, I would pick black level over such issues. Having better ABL than the LG helps too. wink.gif
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Black Level >>>> PWM Noise for me ;)

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Here's some smart menu pics for Shaoran.
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I purchased an LG PB6600 on April 9th and love the picture quality. I would like to find some calibration settings for it though. I'm also wondering if I need to do a 100 hour break-in before I watch movies with black bars? Thanks.
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http://www.amazon.com/LG-Plasma-Driving-Triple-Component/dp/B00IO0JA90/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1397466157&sr=8-8&keywords=lg+720p+plasma

Very interesting about LG's latest 720p plasma. It states resolution of full 720p which is 1280x720. If this is not a typo, very interesting as no 720p plasma has ever been produced in exact 720p resolution. (It's either 1366x768 or 1024x768)
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Thanks, jsteevy for the pictures ;)

 

Any new impressions? What about Rising Blacks? What about black level increase? My 2013 LG plasma had a significantly poorer black level after 500 hours of use.....

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Its a three horse race so typically speaking Panasonic > Samsung > LG for IR
Seems it's now down to a 2 horse race, given Panasonic is no longer making plasma's, though they still will support.

This LG seems to be a great price for a functional tv, but given I watch a lot of subtitled series, bit concerned about IR. Convenient to have the subtitles displayed in the black band below the picture (Asus O!Play mini box allows you to move subtitles on screen), but then it would seem that the black band itself would cause problems. Also, foreign tv series seem to both prominently display a channel logo and can have other static displays. I've been reading that manufactures move pixels around to combat IR, but I'm having a hard time understanding how that would help if you're dealing with some type of block logo.

Any info would be appreciated.
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I have one on the way from frys.com. ($699 + tax) It will be a housewarming gift to my daughter in her new townhouse. The house is pre-wired for surround sound. I have little clue as to what type of system to get for this tv. I see surround sound systems from $100 to $5,000. Any suggestions?
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Howdy...anyone have any further updates on these?  I am looking at that Fry's deal and trying to decide whether to jump on it or grab a floor model ST60 for substantially more money...I like the idea of a new set with delivery,etc...but I intend to have this TV for a while and I want good PQ!

 

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