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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

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Reasonable ......bout 2500.00
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So - you don't think a new KRP-600M is worth as much as, say, a new Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 - even though people judge their picture quality as equal, or the KRP-600M even a bit better?
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$1.500 - $2.500 is more like it since it is a risky investment.
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Why is it risky if brand new?

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Risky because of service, parts, etc. I do not think this will have any warranty.

However, that being said, the prices quoted here are too low.

I would easily pay $3,00 to $4,000 … maybe even more … for this HDTV Panel.

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So - you don't think a new KRP-600M is worth as much as, say, a new Panasonic TC-P60ZT60 - even though people judge their picture quality as equal, or the KRP-600M even a bit better?

Brand new 60" ZTs were going for less than 2500.00 , 2500.00 for a new 600M would be a fair price , 1500.00 would be a steal , 3500.00 would kinda high ,
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I'd buy it for $3000+, my 600M I've had for 5 years and never a problem with it, they're well built!
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$2500 - $3000 max.

To me it's a better panel than a 60" ZT60, but I wouldn't pay more than that for the ZT60, either. If you're looking at current street prices for the Panasonics, don't. They are incredibly inflated now.
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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

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I take it that you found a NIB 600M biggrin.gif

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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

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I take it that you found a NIB 600M biggrin.gif

like finding gold ! biggrin.giftongue.gifcool.gif
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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

DC


Worth is a tough concept because it's worth whatever you are willing to pay to get it since they cannot be purchased new. They were going for $3,000 new at the end of Pioneer's run I believe. Logically speaking I agree with qwknuf6. It doesn't make too much sense spending much more that what a ZT would go for.



What is the story behind a brand new KRP-600M in 2014 anyway?
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How much is a mint condition PRO-150FD w/10,000 (+) hours of operation worth?
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$1000 mebbe?
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$1000 mebbe?

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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

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That all depends on how enamored you are with 600. If ya really want it, really the sky is no limit, $4000+. If you're more practical, no more than $500. It's still several years old. Parts may be difficult to come by. No warranty. The Samsung, Panny, and LG plasmas and oleds surpass the kuros in various areas. It's simply how much value you place in that pioneer.
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How much is a mint condition PRO-150FD w/10,000 (+) hours of operation worth?

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$1000 mebbe?

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Not at all. Forgive me for not quoting.rolleyes.gif About the only aspect that helps the 8th gen Kuro retain its value is the build quality. I would otherwise put it at a value of $500.
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That all depends on how enamored you are with 600. If ya really want it, really the sky is no limit, $4000+. If you're more practical, no more than $500. It's still several years old. Parts may be difficult to come by. No warranty. The Samsung, Panny, and LG plasmas and oleds surpass the kuros in various areas. It's simply how much value you place in that pioneer.

Anyone in their right mind (or that cares about picture quality at all) would take a brand new 600M for significantly more than your 'practical' assessment of $500. Steathtroll is still stealthy after all these years. I'd be interested to know the areas in which an LG plasma has surpasses Pioneer aside from possibly power consumption and widgets lol
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^Pretty much, but the disco don has always felt it his mission to defuse the Kuro hype (which comes across as the actions of someone who never owned one suffice to say)...then, we have those on the opposite extreme who will strike at any perceived slight (4 posts up). Hard to find the balance here.
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LG oleds, not so much their plasmas surpass kuro.

Oh and I also did say a lot of this will depend on how much value you place in having akuro. For me it was a lot of hype but for some people they love kuro so spending a lot was not an issue.
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After the Panasonic ZT was crowned Elite Pro's equal, 4K and larger sized OLED introduction Elite Pro's price dropped significantly ( up to 50%). The high price payed for the Elite Pro had to do with the fact that the Elite Pro was THE flatscreen king ( which also had an impact on other Pioneer Plasma models prices). This and the risky undertaken element (the TV is five years old an Pioneer is out of the Plasma business for five years now ) makes $1.500 - $2.000 a realistic price for the 600M IMO
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I paid 1500 for a mint condition 141fd with 4500 hours about a month ago. Asking price was 2000, which to me was fair. I was able to lower the price to 1700, then 1500 after I discovered slight burn in.

60 inch Kuros are usually listed in the 2000 to 2500 range and I believe 2000 is a fair price. With that being said, I would pay 3500 to 4500 for a brand new one. Think about it. They stopped making these panels in 2009. Finding a brand new one in 2014 is like hitting the jackpot.
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I was wondering if I could get opinions on what would be reasonable to pay for a brand new (zero hours) Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M 60" plasma?

Is it, for example, worth paying $4,000 for one?

Higher? Lower?

Let me know what you think.

Thanks!

DC

Certainly better than any other plasma at 60" - along with the 141.

Get the 600M i would if it was me.

So many things it does better than other plasma's of other manufacturers.

For a start it's a Pioneer Kuro, their panel quality and integrity is unrivalled. The components at the back are of a much higher quality than other plasma's.

The colour gamut is an overlay (perfect one at that) of the HD rec 709 colour space... It's so good out of the box compared to others it's difficult to describe. Pure mode is basically 2.2 gamma perfect, tint and colour saturation is out of this world out of the box. A few tweaks makes it even better. Why people say colour should never need to go over (not really) +5 saturation in the user controls... Because the luminances are basically perfect out of the box.

With ISF if and when you get it done obviously thing's get even better and closer to it maximum. Depending on who is calibrating it and with what and how. It gets much brighter, and all delta errors will be (well) under 1. Imperceptible to the human eye at any stimulus levels which would be over 3. You could comfortably grade with this for example.

Use Advance for film/movies definitely - if you use Smooth mode it adds to
o much which makes it look like fake video/soap opera effect - like the Panasonic plasmas all the time. But you wouldn't need to so stick with Advanced.

The KRP600 is just the superior all round display basically - like it's baby brothers.

People "forget" to mention key stuff with Panasonic's that "somehow" got past "reviews"... Stuff like the ridiculous false contouring - with fuzzy backgrounds and other "gradual" colour gradients if you know what i mean lol. And with things like beams of light (especially) during pans (and) other motion. The Panasonics still have issues with banding also basically. There is other "stuff" also that why the Kuro's are better but it may seem like i am bashing Panasonic. But I am not. The Panasonics are "perhaps" the best plasmas still available to buy new today. But a new Kuro is different class and still has the deepest plasma black levels by default.

But mainly and overall though - the Pioneer gives a crisper and sharper looking image - not to mention as clean as it gets since the most recent and expensive Panasonic pro monitors - but actually does a few things including green better than them and obviously MLL.

It doesn't get any better than the KRP, grab it if you can smile.gif
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Speaking of hyperbole.
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Hyperbole - surely that is your middle name vinnie lol.

Anyway if i was being picky - i would say sometimes i prefer a gamma of about 1.8 rather than 2.2.

Sometimes.

Depends on how i am feeling or what the ambient lighting in the room happens to be
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So you can recognize it in others but you're immune to it when it is spewing forth from your own lips? Not surprising. wink.gif
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Jeez lol

Your anti Kuro attitude knows no realistic boundaries.

The guy (op) was asking about the current value of a (brand new) KRP-600M.

Which in the fast drying/dying/dead plasma technology world is an extremely rare beast indeed.

Why would he not buy it if it was plasma he wanted.

Best 60" plasma ever made arguably with regards to driving and has more finer granular calibration options over other 60" Kuro's with the 141FD.

Nothing wrong with any other 60" KURO whatsoever - they all kick ass - but if he is a tweaker then the monitor would suit him better.
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More nonsense. I owned and enjoyed one for 5 years (and the ZT60 for 1 so far)! I'm capable of objectively seeing that the final generation models from each company are too close to call until you get into voltage adjustments for black levels. Please remind me who first jumped on the off-topic Panasonic bashing tirade, which had nothing to do with the OP or the topic? He wasn't asking about anything but a fair value for the KRP-600M, not the misconceptions of how everything available (or recently available) still pales in comparison, which is only true in the minds of the bitter clingers.
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More nonsense. Please remind me who first jumped on the off-topic Panasonic bashing tirade, which had nothing to do with the OP or the topic? He wasn't asking about anything but a fair value for the KRP-600M, not the misconceptions of how everything available pales in comparison, which is only true in the minds of the bitter clingers.

Oh please,

The only bitter one is you - who keeps banging on and clinging on to profit making review websites.

Some people can handle being bested overall by a six year old display technology.

And some can't.
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Oh look, more conspiracy theory and denial drivel. biggrin.gif How did Katzmaier not go broke by keeping the Kuro his personal review reference for 4 years in a row if your remarks were anything more than blathering paranoid supposition?

I'm done clicking to read another one of your hideous posts (the appeal is similar to rubbernecking unfortunately).
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