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Before I purchased my high end Panasonic ZT60 tv I imagined the years of enjoyment I would have of DSE-free images....unfortunately that was not the case. I have had various levels of DSE from my tvs and the ZT60 is the least severe case of them but its visible during horizontal pans in content.

I really hoped such a high end tv with its exquiste and exotic autoclave bonded plasma glass to display glass process would elimiate all DSE but now after searching high and low on this site ive noticed almost every single HDTV ( LEDS and plasmas including the KUROS which where bleeding edge tvs at the time had various degrees of DSE ) has DSE so I guess there is no escape no matter how high your model is. But some folks claim there low end tvs and even high end plasmas/leds tvs have zero DSE so its really a lottery and anyone could get a tv with it.

So if your tv has DSE add your Make Model and size below and enter the poll and lets see just how many tv sets out there have this issue.


FYI: DSE is Dirty Screen Effect - it looks like different stripes or blotches of vertical bands on your screen like the screen is dirty. Its visible mainly during horizontal or vertical panning scenes; sports, movies, games, etc.

Its also known as Banding/Vertical Banding.
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Panasonic 65" ZT60 - minor DSE visible during horizontal pans

Samsung 43" D450 plasma - heavy DSE with green tint
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64" F8500. I voted no because I can't see anything, and think it's one of the cleanest most consistent images I've seen since CRT.

it is possible I'm not sensitive to DSE, I've never had an issue with plasma's looking 'dirty'(unless they actually were, my dog likes to put nose prints on my tv frown.gif ) but I seem to be EXTREMELY sensitive to backlight uniformity issues with lcd, specially edgelit LED's.

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No... my Samsung Plasma does not have a DSE...



But she does have an STD...

and she won't tell me where she got it...









I'm very upset...
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My Samsung 64F8500 does not have DSE, but my Pioneer 5020 did, until I cranked up the default ABL setting on that tv.

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60" F8500, very mild DSE visible only on bright uniform backgrounds during fast camera pans.
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51F8500, no DSE. I use a cool color tone so my screen is a little whiter/blue then most and I see no residue of DSE. Coming from a Sony 55HX750 I'm very familiar with the effects and pleased that my f8500 doesn't suffer this problem.

 

Wanted to add that my definition of "DSE" is specifically blotching and separate from "Banding". IMHO they are different issues.

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I have some banding but no blochyness or anything else on my 60F8500.

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My 50ST60 has DSE on fast pans against bright backgrounds. Pinkish in color. I've had two of these sets in my possession and both had it. The one I ended up with was slightly better. Both sets couldn't display uniform white when the ABL kicks in either. Under these circumstances center is pinkish and sides green.
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51F8500, no DSE. I use a cool color tone so my screen is a little whiter/blue then most and I see no residue of DSE. Coming from a Sony 55HX750 I'm very familiar with the effects and pleased that my f8500 doesn't suffer this problem.

Wanted to add that my definition of "DSE" is specifically blotching and separate from "Banding". IMHO they are different issues.

I agree with you in regards to the differences between DSE and banding.
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55st60, fair amount of DSE

43" d series Samsung, light DSE but not as bad as st60.

Seems Samsung is the cleanest of the two brands.
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55st60, fair amount of DSE

43" d series Samsung, light DSE but not as bad as st60.

Seems Samsung is the cleanest of the two brands.

my sammy 43" d450 tv had dse on the left side with some weird green tint to it.
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my sammy 43" d450 tv had dse on the left side with some weird green tint to it.
I notice the DSE on my sammy mainly on screen wipe, yet on a solid sky pan it's not too bad. It's definitely there but not nearly as pronounced as the st60. And the st60 isn't super bad, but I do notice it on the light stuff. Line bleed tends to annoy me more than the DSE on st60. My samsung has almost zero line bleed.
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Poll results soo far

66% say yes they have DSE

33% say no ( No could also mean they dont care or bother to notice it )

We really should make more noise to manufacturers about DSE. It doesnt make sense to watch content on a display that has something ruining its picture. Its a kin to reading a book with blotches of ink smeared across every page in the exact same spot.
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I'd rather we complain about clouding and flashlighting and get LCD displays that might actually satisfy some of the plasma lovers soon to be out of options. cool.gif

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^Or, not to sound like a broken record but, quit trying to Band-Aid a bad tech and get on board with OLED. wink.gif
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^Or, not to sound like a broken record but, quit trying to Band-Aid a bad tech and get on board with OLED. wink.gif

Agreed, Now if I just had $5000... mad.gif

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$4k now...who would've thought it could drop $11k in a matter of a year.
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$4k now...who would've thought it could drop $11k in a matter of a year.

Still 5 for the flat one isn't it? It is amazing how fast they dropped I hope it keeps up. I just bought an F8500 a couple months ago so I have effectively $0 in my TV budget.

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Yes, as that's a newer introduction to the NA market, they haven't dropped the price as much.
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Poll results soo far

66% say yes they have DSE

33% say no ( No could also mean they dont care or bother to notice it )

We really should make more noise to manufacturers about DSE. It doesnt make sense to watch content on a display that has something ruining its picture. Its a kin to reading a book with blotches of ink smeared across every page in the exact same spot.

Really - someone says they don't have it and because you do those of us who don't do? That's like me telling someone all the VTs and ZTs have fan noise just because I hear mine or then there is buzzing, banding, blah blah blah. As a long time plasma owner I am going to keep enjoying my VT60 calibrated by DNice and be grateful I am not having to buy a LED until OLED drops more in price and there is a flat 65" option. You should connect with Self and compare issues with your displays smile.gif

By the way I didn't vote and nothing personnel but I have never found polls like this to be of any benefit or scientific enough to make inferences from their results. Your results are worthless without better sampling, a larger sample size, etc.
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^Or, not to sound like a broken record but, quit trying to Band-Aid a bad tech and get on board with OLED. wink.gif

if we could convince manufacturers to ditch LCD for oled, and continue making plasma as a 'cheap' alternative I'd be all for that!

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TV's from 46-65: plasma
TV's from 55-??: oled

you want a small tv for casual use, lcd. you want a value tv for theatre room, or perhaps bedroom, get a plasma. you want a tv to be the pinnacle of viewing experience and envy of the neighbours, you pony up and buy an OLED.

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if we could convince manufacturers to ditch LCD for oled, and continue making plasma as a 'cheap' alternative I'd be all for that!

my perfect business model(for me, myself, and I only. everybody elses needs not represented)
TV's from 0-46": LCD models, no edgelit, they can be CCFL, or backlit LED
TV's from 46-65: plasma
TV's from 55-??: oled

you want a small tv for casual use, lcd. you want a value tv for theatre room, or perhaps bedroom, get a plasma. you want a tv to be the pinnacle of viewing experience and envy of the neighbours, you pony up and buy an OLED.

I can dream right tongue.gif

I for one dream of gaming on 3 42" 4K OLED TVs in triple monitor set up.

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Really - someone says they don't have it and because you do those of us who don't do? That's like me telling someone all the VTs and ZTs have fan noise just because I hear mine or then there is buzzing, banding, blah blah blah. 

Thank you!  :p

 

"33% say no ( No could also mean they don't care or bother to notice it )" No Means NO! I don't even know why you'd type that when 2 of the 3 voters for no explained that we were familiar with the problem and had clearly checked for DSE..

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I for one dream of gaming on 3 42" 4K OLED TVs in triple monitor set up.

well, I think oled, as the 'premium' technology would have free range of any size. I just wouldn't personally want to spend the money for a 'premium' tv for use anywhere that a tv smaller than about 55" would be in use. I mean, if you're gonna spend 2500 for a 42" oled, why not spend 3500 for a 55" smile.gif

it's all BS anyway, not like any of it could happen. plasma will die, i'll be sad, led will cover the whole market range, and hopefully oled can break into the top of the market and slowly work it's way down, replacing lcd as it does

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well, I think oled, as the 'premium' technology would have free range of any size. I just wouldn't personally want to spend the money for a 'premium' tv for use anywhere that a tv smaller than about 55" would be in use. I mean, if you're gonna spend 2500 for a 42" oled, why not spend 3500 for a 55" smile.gif

it's all BS anyway, not like any of it could happen. plasma will die, i'll be sad, led will cover the whole market range, and hopefully oled can break into the top of the market and slowly work it's way down, replacing lcd as it does

Soundin a bit like you are catching Artwood fever. tongue.gif

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Im still on the hunt for the real reason why plasmas and some led tvs suffer from DSE ( not reffering to clouding or spotlighting on lcd tvs ).....There has to be some flaw in the manufacturing level that the tv manufacturers are overlooking OR tv manufacturers are aware of the flaw but are choosing to ignore it because there isn't enough "noise" from tv owners about the issue

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"If they aren't complaining about it...I guess they don't mind it....That's a good thing! One less thing for us to optimize which means money saved! "

LOL That may be a crude example of some executive talking about the issue but it could be something along the lines of that.


Im just super duper curious how this is acceptable by tv manufacturers especially on the ZT60 series
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Looks like we're all subjected to a "Panel Lottery" Why panels experience these problems is still unknown to me.....Maybe someone on the inside of tv manufacturing might be able to share why
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I have a 64" Samsung f8500, and I have vertical DSE which can be easily seen during horizontal panning. Especially in video games. Disappointing.
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