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Hi everyone -

 

Upgrading from an 8 year old 42 inch 720p Panasonic Plasma TV. It's still a terrific TV, but it's small and has no smart functions (I remember when people would be amazed by it in my apt back in the day!)...so it's time for a new TV.

 

What I want to know is, can any 2014 TV do 1080p better then the 60 inch Samsung F8500? I looked at a terrific Samsung 55HU8550 4k, but of course they don't have it hooked up to broadcast TV. SO, what does 4K TV's look like in 1080p?

 

90% of what I watch is in HD, and I LOVE my picture now, so I can't "upgrade" and LOSE pic quality!

 

Any thougths?

 

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I would say this depends entirely on what is displaying that 4k.

I can tell you that 4k is better than 1080p. and I will also tell you that plasma is better than lcd, or edgelit LED, and in most cases FALD LED too.

now if the question is 4k edgelit LED vs 1080p plasma, my personal opinion is quality over quantity, and i'll take the plasma. but scientifically, I have to admit that 4k is better than 1080p, so it becomes more open to debate.

the Samsung 1080p is the last great 1080p plasma on the market. nothing else left is close unfortunately. the only other reference quality displays are OLED from LG.

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Hi everyone -

Upgrading from an 8 year old 42 inch 720p Panasonic Plasma TV. It's still a terrific TV, but it's small and has no smart functions (I remember when people would be amazed by it in my apt back in the day!)...so it's time for a new TV.

What I want to know is, can any 2014 TV do 1080p better then the 60 inch Samsung F8500? I looked at a terrific Samsung 55HU8550 4k, but of course they don't have it hooked up to broadcast TV. SO, what does 4K TV's look like in 1080p?

90% of what I watch is in HD, and I LOVE my picture now, so I can't "upgrade" and LOSE pic quality!

Any thougths?

Thank you,

Nick

I don't think you will notice any difference with a 4K tv displaying 1080p material vs a 2K tv displaying 1080p material. In fact, it could be a little worse of some of the cheaper 4K LED tv's. No where near as bad as watching 480p and i material on a 1080p tv. IMO, 1080p material will look worse on a 4K LED compared to the Samsung, simply because the LED tv's out there have poor blacks, clouding, and poor viewing angles.
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^^ on that note. when I was shopping last year, the st60, vt60, zt60, and f8500 all looked FAR better than the 4k sony(the one with the huge speakers on the side) which was the only 4k tv on display. they were all showing bluray content, no UHD stuff. for me the difference wasn't really anything to do with the resolution though, it was just the same old issues with edgelit LED's.

about 5yrs ago when I bought my first plasma, I remember doing a side by side comparison of two Panasonic plasmas. I wasn't given any info on the models, just watched them for a bit, and afterwards the sales guy asked which one I thought looked better. I picked the one of the left. he then put in a bluray and changed the source and we did it over again. this time I picked the one on the right. the only difference between the two TV's was the one on the left was 720p and the one of the right was 1080p. in the first test I was watching 720p cable, and the second was 1080p bluray. the moral of the story I learned that day is that I like 1:1 pixel mapping. if I can avoid scaling, I will. so for the time being, 1080p makes the most sense to me, and in fact I'd probably be just as likely to opt for a 720p display(since all my broadcast is still 720p at best) as I would for a UHD model. basically, unless the pixel structure is distracting you, there's no need for a higher resolution display unless you have a higher resolution source.

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So I am stuck picking between "future proofing" my purchace by going 4K and living with the HD upscaled picture for a few years as 4K content becomes more available. OR, get the Plasma, be happy with it for a few years, then deal with the dissapointment once 4k content is available in large ammounts.

 

Anyone have an opnion about which 4K TV does 1080p the best?

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Don't kid yourself u can't future proof yourself. Changes too quickly Just like computers.
IMO I agree 1:1 is better than upscale and u aren't looking at a 65+ size so to me F8500 now since u would have a hard time finding anything else like a VT60. Plasma over lcd/led. If doing surround sound and cable mgmt then your receiver w/b out of date too for 4K maybe. IMO wait on 4K, not enough material. F8500 is a fine TV. I have 2 ZTs and a few older VTs and just steered someone to a F8500 and it looks awesome.

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Also remember, the industry has yet to agree on 4K standards. Not everyone can agree on color gamut. You buy one now, and the industry agrees on a different standard in the future that doesn't quite match what you have, your 4K experience will not be as good as you wanted.
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Excellent points. Would 60 inch 4K even be an improvement over my old 720p Panny Plasma for Broadcast content?

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So I am stuck picking between "future proofing" my purchace by going 4K and living with the HD upscaled picture for a few years as 4K content becomes more available. OR, get the Plasma, be happy with it for a few years, then deal with the dissapointment once 4k content is available in large ammounts.

Anyone have an opnion about which 4K TV does 1080p the best?

You might find this article from Sound & Vision interesting...

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Ultra HD: Is It Soup Yet?

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First, the “no” side. For any true Ultra HD set produced before the 2014 model year—which means most of the sets on dealers’ shelves and in their warehouses as of mid May 2014—the only Ultra HD advance you can be sure of is a 3840 x 2160 pixel count. Yes, such an early UHD set might well have a control in the user menu offering a selection of wider color (these come by various names, such as Color Gamut, Color Space, Wide Color, etc.), but so do many current 1920 x 1080 sets. In either case, none of these wider, ad hoc color options matches the color in any current source, 2K or 4K, nor can they be expected to match new color standards for UHD. If you want accurate color with today’s source material you should turn any such control to whatever selection conforms to the current REC709 color standard (sometimes, but not always, labeled “Normal”). If an Ultra HD source with any of the advanced color features arrives at such an Ultra HD set in the future, the set will likely not handle it properly. It may provide a picture (rather than a blank screen!), but the color will be wrong. Whether or not the color errors will be visibly objectionable is at present unknown; though most likely only serious video enthusiasts (like us) will complain.

The “yes” answer assumes you will buy one of the new 2014 or later Ultra HD sets, which are only now just coming to market. For maximum future proofing, however, (though expecting future proofing beyond, say, three to five years is a fools errand in today’s fast changing tech environment) you need to confirm that such sets offer full HDMI 2.0 capability (there have been partial implementations of HDMI 2.0 in a few Ultra HD displays released to date). In addition, the set must have HDCP 2.2 (a copy protection scheme) and HEVC (High Efficiency Video Coding—the compression format currently planned for use with Ultra HD source material, though at present all such material is still encoded in one of the current HD compression schemes, such as H.264).

Don’t automatically assume that all 2014 Ultra HD sets will incorporate these new features. And your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man with a video sales associate day job is unlikely to have an answer (though he or she will certainly try to wing it). We’ll be providing this information in our upcoming Ultra HD reviews, though it will have to come from the manufacturer; we won’t be able to confirm it until compatible test material is available. And even if the set has all of these features, we suspect that the Ultra HD situation will be quite fluid for some time.
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So I am stuck picking between "future proofing" my purchace by going 4K and living with the HD upscaled picture for a few years as 4K content becomes more available. OR, get the Plasma, be happy with it for a few years, then deal with the dissapointment once 4k content is available in large ammounts.

Anyone have an opnion about which 4K TV does 1080p the best?

you can't really future proof yourself yet. the 4k TV's on the market aren't quite there yet. I'm not sure if any of them have hdmi2.0 inputs yet even?

buying a 4k tv now is like buying a HDTV with only component video inputs. even though it might display the higher resolution, it's not equipped to accept the full resolution signal.


i would say you are much better off buying something cheap, but good enough to get your through the next 2yrs. buying an expensive 4k tv today, isn't going to stop you from wanting a 'full 4k' tv in 2yrs when they are ironed out and available, but it may stop you from being able to afford one.

I'm hoping my next tv purchase will be UHD, and I'm REALLY hoping it will be OLED. I'm not expecting either to be realistic options for at least 5yrs

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Excellent points. Would 60 inch 4K even be an improvement over my old 720p Panny Plasma for Broadcast content?

it depends on the 4k display. assuming your panny plasma is of high quality, I'd say no. the 4k displays I've seen so far have not been of 'high quality' imo, just high resolution.
also consider that most broadcast content is in 720p, so you've got a 1:1 pixel mapping already. no scaling is almost always better than some scaling. the only way I'd say it's better is if you see the pixel structure on your current tv.

on the other hand, i do believe you'd see a large improvement if you went with a vt60, or f8500. not only would they have more pixels, but they'd have better pixels. deeper blacks, better contrast, better colors, that's what makes a better display. quality over quantity

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Getting a 4K panel now is not 'future proofing' yourself. You'd be hard pressed to notice the difference between 4K and 1080p in anything under 80" anyway, plus the current 4K panels don't support the upcoming HDMI version that enables higher refresh rates over HDMI, so you aren't future proofing anything.

The best advice that I can offer you is go out and take a look at some panels, get the biggest panel you can afford to fit your viewing distance and one you think offers pleasing picture quality to your eyes, whether that is plasma (65" and lower) or LCD (which go up to 80"+) is up to you. Don't get hung up on future proofing. I bought a 75" ES9000 panel 18 months ago for a princely sum, it was outdated tech wise after 6 months, but I still drool everytime I game on it, or chuck a Bluray in the drive !

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I  was completly comfortable going with the 58 inch F8500 just a few days ago...but then I went and saw the 51 inch one on display at Best Buy (in the dark thearter room). It was playing a Blue Ray Pacific Rim DVD....and when I wasen't directly in front of it the display got dark. Not so much side to side, but standing, looking down on it. That NEVER happens with my older Panasonic 720p Plasma. WTF?

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So, at the 60 inch mark, I assume that amost all of you would say get the F8500 and be done with it I gather?

 

I think i'd like to at least wait on the reviews of the new Panasonic 4K FLED TV with the HDMI 2.0 ports that just came out (AX800) like yesterday.

 

Anyone look at that one yet?

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That's due to the filter. They made the filter to reflect overhead lighting which can ruin black levels. My ST does this slightly but my VT does this to a larger degree.
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I don't know, I think it would drive me nuts. I'm putting together a TV room in the basement, but I may have a running machine back behind the couches so I can try and get some exercise.....I couldnt' deal with it being darker when standing.

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I don't know, I think it would drive me nuts. I'm putting together a TV room in the basement, but I may have a running machine back behind the couches so I can try and get some exercise.....I couldnt' deal with it being darker when standing.

I have the 60" it sits on a 20" stand and from behind my couch there is no way I would notice the filer unless I climbed up on a ladder. I sit with my nose 8' from the screen so standing behind the couch would be 9' at the most for me.
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Same here, I have to be 2-3 feet away to ever notice the filter. Being further away lessens the effect. Different tv than mine but the filter may work similarly.
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I wouldn't touch a 4K display right now for several reasons, but at least wait until the 4K Blu-ray specs eventually get announced as HDCP 2.2 is almost certainly going to be a requirement as well as HEVC - as quoted from Sound and Vision above.

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Am I wrong or doesn't the Panasonic AX800 4k have these requirements?

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I  was completly comfortable going with the 58 inch F8500 just a few days ago...but then I went and saw the 51 inch one on display at Best Buy (in the dark thearter room). It was playing a Blue Ray Pacific Rim DVD....and when I wasen't directly in front of it the display got dark. Not so much side to side, but standing, looking down on it. That NEVER happens with my older Panasonic 720p Plasma. WTF?

it's the screen filter, how often do you watch tv looking down at it? or straight up at it for that matter? I need to be pretty severely off angle for the affect to happen on mine. talking at least 30*

if you plan on hanging the tv several feet above or below eye level, and sit within 8-10feet of it, it will be an issue. otherwise don't worry about it, it's actually a good thing that keeps the blacks looks black when you turn the lights on.

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The TV is saw was on a normal stand and I was about 10 feet away from it.

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Nick you are not the first to notice that effect

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Here is a good interview to watch.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1532045/the-problems-with-4k
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it's the screen filter, how often do you watch tv looking down at it? or straight up at it for that matter? I need to be pretty severely off angle for the affect to happen on mine. talking at least 30*

if you plan on hanging the tv several feet above or below eye level, and sit within 8-10feet of it, it will be an issue. otherwise don't worry about it, it's actually a good thing that keeps the blacks looks black when you turn the lights on.
It was a quality and little discussed property of the kuros as well. Part of the trick used to get low mll was the filtering. The mll would be significantly different depending vertical angle of view and measurement.

For the most part you are likely not to notice these effects in typical viewing situations.
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Pet peeve, Than not Then.
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I don't know, I think it would drive me nuts. I'm putting together a TV room in the basement, but I may have a running machine back behind the couches so I can try and get some exercise.....I couldnt' deal with it being darker when standing.

I stood on a chair 11' back and it was barely noticeable on my 60". I wouldn't sweet it.

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Went to the store this weekend and gave it another try......still driving me nuts. But viewing angles have always been my pet peeve.

It appears there is no perfect set, just perfect to an individual. What bothers some of us is inconsequential to others....and vice versa!

Two weeks to go (TV room will be done) and no closer to picking a TV.
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Went to the store this weekend and gave it another try......still driving me nuts. But viewing angles have always been my pet peeve.

It appears there is no perfect set, just perfect to an individual. What bothers some of us is inconsequential to others....and vice versa!

Two weeks to go (TV room will be done) and no closer to picking a TV.

Was it another 51' set? I wonder if the screen size has anything to do with it. Otherwise I don't know what to tell ya, side to side the viewing angles are great and I have never noticed the filter during normal viewing. I am not sure what other set will offer you what you are looking for, some vertical viewing angle issues seems better than the usual crap horizontal viewing angles of LCD TVs. I read the H5000 Plasma has great picture post calibration, you could save some money going that route and get a 4K set in a couple years when all the standards are ironed out. As far as I am concerned though there wont be another set in 2014 that matches the F8500 for under 4grand.

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Yeah, it was the 51". I really wish there was a store that had all the top sets side by side and acutaly hooked up properly! This could all be done in a few minutes rather then weeks.

 

I'd been holding out hope that the Panasonic AX800 or AX900 would do the trick...

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