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good grief man. no wonder you're so P.O.'d right now. I guess as part of the transition away from plasma, they no longer train their technicians about plasma displays either.

on a side note, I didn't realize BiggAW was a Samsung tech...
LOL. I've got to admit, that's kinda funny.

Sounds like it's time for Sammy to finally kill plasma once and for all... I'm surprised they still sell them, although they sell about 4 gazillion different variations on the Samsung Galaxy series phones, so they seem to be willing to cater to every niche out there.
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LOL. I've got to admit, that's kinda funny.

Sounds like it's time for Sammy to finally kill plasma once and for all... I'm surprised they still sell them, although they sell about 4 gazillion different variations on the Samsung Galaxy series phones, so they seem to be willing to cater to every niche out there.
thanks for taking it in jest.
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Post Widespread problems with coloration on some Samsung plasmas

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A bad batch and an incompetent tech is not enough information to base a judgement on. Clearly there are F5300s out there that function properly.
Never posted that it was. However, this particular issue has shown a pattern on certain Samsung plasmas the last few years. Like I said before, it's their responsibility, they should correct it or replace it.


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I got my pn60f5300 2 weeks ago from hhgregg in northeast Philly and it doesn't seem to have this issue.
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I am not sure if mine has the issue.
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I am not sure if mine has the issue.
If you are not sure if yours has the problem does it even matter then? If you can't see it, then no, there is no problem so enjoy your TV and don't look for it.
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I am not sure if mine has the issue.
Then, for the love of god, don't go looking for it! Lol!

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Reviewed.com's measurements have been questioned (specifically black levels) but using his numbers comparatively seems like something useful (testing methods are likely to remain somewhat consistent).

The F5500 is said to be similar to the F5300.

http://televisions.reviewed.com/cont...ew/the-science

Remember the 51" F4500 has 800,000 pixels and the 51" F5300 has over 2 million pixles....when you consider subpixels that over 3 times the number of subpixels.

Here is his review of the PN60F5300


So, the beside from having 2.5x higher resolution, the F5300 has about the same contrast ratio and about a 17% lower peak brightness than the F4500? 131.5 vs 158? So, effectively, it is not as bright as the F4500 despite the much denser pixel count?
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So, the beside from having 2.5x higher resolution, the F5300 has about the same contrast ratio and about a 17% lower peak brightness than the F4500? 131.5 vs 158? So, effectively, it is not as bright as the F4500 despite the much denser pixel count?
In some cases lower rez sets have shown slightly higher peak brightness levels, due to their panel design and how it relates to the use of larger brighter pixels. Although Lee's black levels are a bit conservative, he's an ISF certified calibrator of whom I had some correspondence with and I trust his opinion. If you have any questions you can email him.

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I know I'm a little late to the party, but did you consider an LG plasma during your decision. I looked at a 60" F5300 and the 60" PB6600. I ultimately settled on the PB6600 as the colors and motion just looked better. The blacks were slightly better on the F5300. And with no pentile display, I was getting a true 1080p television. Was there something in particular that made you choose the Sammy and with the issues, would you be willing to look at the LG?
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Then, for the love of god, don't go looking for it! Lol!
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So, the beside from having 2.5x higher resolution, the F5300 has about the same contrast ratio and about a 17% lower peak brightness than the F4500? 131.5 vs 158? So, effectively, it is not as bright as the F4500 despite the much denser pixel count?
At whatever he calibrated these sets to, yes. But only at those settings.

Basically the F4500 is likely to have a smidgen better black levels and peak brightness all other things being equal.

Go for the 51F5300.

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Does anyone else with a F5300 notice a little click coming from behind the set occasionally while watching cable? (Cable line plugged directly in, not HDMI).
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At whatever he calibrated these sets to, yes. But only at those settings.

Basically the F4500 is likely to have a smidgen better black levels and peak brightness.

Go for the 51F5300.
Ahhh...I couldnt take it anymore . Despite the 51" 4500 being an incredible TV, and the one I already own exceeding all my expectations, I just cancelled the order for a second one and placed an order for the 51" F5300 for about $165 more. I've been waffling for the past 5 days or so and gave in. The geek in me really wants to play with a new 1080p set, I just hope it doesnt disappoint... It is going in the living room after all.

Let it be known though, the F4500 is the best TV Ive ever spent time with--we'll see if that changes in a few weeks...
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I've always wondered why some create weird sizes. Wasn't there a 48 or 49 inch TV somewhere? 51 and 64 inches.
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I've always wondered why some create weird sizes. Wasn't there a 48 or 49 inch TV somewhere? 51 and 64 inches.

51 and 64 are "carryover" sizes that are called +1 models. Prior to this Samsung used to do 50 and 63"


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Ahhh...I couldnt take it anymore . Despite the 51" 4500 being an incredible TV, and the one I already own exceeding all my expectations, I just cancelled the order for a second one and placed an order for the 51" F5300 for about $165 more. I've been waffling for the past 5 days or so and gave in. The geek in me really wants to play with a new 1080p set, I just hope it doesnt disappoint... It is going in the living room after all.

Let it be known though, the F4500 is the best TV Ive ever spent time with--we'll see if that changes in a few weeks...
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Ahhh...I couldnt take it anymore . Despite the 51" 4500 being an incredible TV, and the one I already own exceeding all my expectations, I just cancelled the order for a second one and placed an order for the 51" F5300 for about $165 more. I've been waffling for the past 5 days or so and gave in. The geek in me really wants to play with a new 1080p set, I just hope it doesnt disappoint... It is going in the living room after all.

Let it be known though, the F4500 is the best TV Ive ever spent time with--we'll see if that changes in a few weeks...
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Ahhh...I couldnt take it anymore . Despite the 51" 4500 being an incredible TV, and the one I already own exceeding all my expectations, I just cancelled the order for a second one and placed an order for the 51" F5300 for about $165 more. I've been waffling for the past 5 days or so and gave in. The geek in me really wants to play with a new 1080p set, I just hope it doesnt disappoint... It is going in the living room after all.

Let it be known though, the F4500 is the best TV Ive ever spent time with--we'll see if that changes in a few weeks...
Well, it will provide you with the opportunity to compare and contrast the two Samsung 51" plasmas with different resolutions and you will probably learn some things, to put in your knowledge base, from the experience. That's worth $165 right there, IMO....but I think you will appreciate the higher resolution as well. Im a tinkerer and thus can appreciate that aspect of it.

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Does anyone else with a F5300 notice a little click coming from behind the set occasionally while watching cable? (Cable line plugged directly in, not HDMI).
So I'm still getting this intermittently even when the set is off but in no discernable pattern. It may have done it 2 or 3 times last night over many hours. I put a ferrite core on the power line really close to the TV. Dumb question but could this have anything to do with it? Or is it just components within he panel sort of "breaking in"? I also had the signal jump only one time on me a few days ago, just a brief blip and the picture was back with the display info banner up. Only happened once so far on HDMI with apple TV. I still need to test all the ports...
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So I'm still getting this intermittently even when the set is off but in no discernable pattern. It may have done it 2 or 3 times last night over many hours. I put a ferrite core on the power line really close to the TV. Dumb question but could this have anything to do with it? Or is it just components within he panel sort of "breaking in"? I also had the signal jump only one time on me a few days ago, just a brief blip and the picture was back with the display info banner up. Only happened once so far on HDMI with apple TV. I still need to test all the ports...

It's probably best to ask this in the dedicated owners thread for the 5300. This way you'll get a "quick" response from those that own and monitor that thread.


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So I'm still getting this intermittently even when the set is off but in no discernable pattern. It may have done it 2 or 3 times last night over many hours. I put a ferrite core on the power line really close to the TV. Dumb question but could this have anything to do with it? Or is it just components within he panel sort of "breaking in"? I also had the signal jump only one time on me a few days ago, just a brief blip and the picture was back with the display info banner up. Only happened once so far on HDMI with apple TV. I still need to test all the ports...
If components in your panel are popping or cracking when the set if off, that does not sound good--that said, be sure to read the manual that came with the TV as mine has an entry under "Important User Info" that states --

"A cracking noise may occur when the TV expands and contracts due to a change in the surrounding environment such as temp or humidity. This is normal and not a defect."

This may be what you are hearing. As far as the screen changing modes with the Apple TV, it may be that the content is changing resolutions on the fly from 720 to 1080 or 480. This will cause the screen to black out for an instant then come back on displaying the current resolution. Playstation 1 games almost all do this, many N64 games do as well.
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"A cracking noise may occur when the TV expands and contracts due to a change in the surrounding environment such as temp or humidity. This is normal and not a defect."

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Reminds me I had 2 Sony CRT sets a Trinitron and and FD HD Trinitron those suckers made loud noises when they expanded contracted the 5 newer flat panels around including the 60 F5300 Sammie PDP here not so much but still occasionally it's more noticable when they are cooling off although the newest Sony LED unlike the older CRT sets I had seems pretty quiet .

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Reminds me I had 2 Sony CRT sers a trinitron and and FD HD trinitron those suckers made loud noises when they expanded contracted
the newer flat panels around here not so much but still occasionally it's more noticable when they are cooling off .
I had a Sony CRT RPTV that did it really badly too.

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I had a Sony CRT RPTV that did it really badly too.
The large picture frames that house movie posters in my media room also make cracking noises. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

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I ran the scrolling screen wiper in the Burn-in Protection menu on all 4 Samsung plasma TVs at BB today, to see if I could detect any uniformity issues/color shift near the bottom or top of the screens, like Mark is seeing on his 60F5300s.

Before running the screen wiper, I set all the TVs to Movie mode, reset it to defaults, and put Cell Light at 20, and Color Tone (temperature) on Warm1. (There's a toggle button in the lower left hand corner behind the bezel on the TVs, that allows access to the menus.)

I saw little or no visible color shift on the 43F4500 and 51F4500. There appeared to be a hint more red near the bottom of the screen on the 60F5300, and maybe also on the 51F5300. I had too look really hard to see anything on the 51" model though.

The issue might be a little more noticeable on the 60" model in a darkened room, to a well-trained pair of eyes, on tests patterns. But I doubt an average viewer would every notice anything on either of the F5300 displays.

The uniformity is outstanding on all these TVs compared to my 34" 2002 Sony CRT, fwtw. Maybe the problem is worse on Mark's TVs though.

Of the 4 models, the picture looked best overall to me on the 51F5300, due to it's higher resolution, and finer dithering than the other models.

There was some noise and "color creep" apparent in the dithering/contouring of the scrolling gradients on all 4 TVs btw. These issues were least noticeable on the 51F5300 though, because of it's smaller pixels/greater resolution. (I noticed this issue in my home tests of the F5300 and S60 as well btw. And imo, the color creep on B&W content seemed a little worse on the S60 than on the F5300, possibly due to the S60's higher contrast ratio, and somewhat darker blacks.)

The screen wiper scrolls more slowly on the 51F5300 than on the other models btw, probably because it has more pixels to wipe.

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Ahhh...I couldnt take it anymore . Despite the 51" 4500 being an incredible TV, and the one I already own exceeding all my expectations, I just cancelled the order for a second one and placed an order for the 51" F5300 for about $165 more. I've been waffling for the past 5 days or so and gave in. The geek in me really wants to play with a new 1080p set, I just hope it doesnt disappoint... It is going in the living room after all.

Let it be known though, the F4500 is the best TV Ive ever spent time with--we'll see if that changes in a few weeks...
FWIW, I think you made the right choice. The only reasons I can think of to get the 720p 51F4500 model over the 1080p 51F5300 are: 1) if you're on a very stringent budget, but still want somethin bigger than 42", 2) if you watch mostly SD content, and/or 3) if you sit far enough back not to notice the difference in resolution.

If you want something smaller than 51" though, then the 43F4500 is certainly worth consideration. They're ridiculously cheap at the moment (at BB anyway), and deliver excellent PQ for a 720p model by most accounts.

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FWIW, I think you made the right choice. The only reasons I can think of to get the 720p 51F4500 model over the 1080p 51F5300 are: 1) if you're on a very stringent budget, but still want somethin bigger than 42", 2) if you watch mostly SD content, and/or 3) if you sit far enough back not to notice the difference in resolution.

If you want something smaller than 51" though, then the 43F4500 is certainly worth consideration. They're ridiculously cheap at the moment (at BB anyway), and deliver excellent PQ for a 720p model by most accounts.
The kicker for me will be how the 5300 compares to the 4500 when displaying over the air HD programming. I dont mean to sound like a broken record, but my bedroom 51F4500 produces such a crisp and vibrant picture with OTA HD / 720p/1080i content that it still wows me everytime I watch it. The uniformity and colors of the set are light years ahead of any other set Ive ever owned. Many people are afraid of the size vs res of the set--- people just dont understand, the 51F4500 set is an absolute gem of a set.
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Status update:

I returned the F5300 and grabbed a Vizio E. Last night I watched it and felt a real sinking feeling in my stomach. Today, I'm going through with the plan to drive to another Best Buy, in the hopes of finding a F5300 that does not have the pink tint issue. It's been a very frustrating process, but I will say this: I'd rather live with a F5300 that has the issue the last two had, than watch a Vizio E. There's no competition in a dark room. The Vizio E's backlit array local dimming is one of the most distracting things I've seen. It does have the ability to make the letterbox bars look dark, but in the scene itself, all kinds of funky things are going on.

Frankly, I can't understand the praise heaped upon the E. It also suffers from reds that are merely orange, copious quantities of dirty screen effect, and a viewing angle so narrow, two people on a couch practically wind up seeing two different movies.

So, I'm still after a "good" F5300. The main question is whether Geek Squad protection is called for, since Samsung service is so abysmal. Usually I'm loath to buy extended warranties, but in this case it seems like a good move.

P.S. At CE Week, Samsung said it would take care of me; but I deliberately want to avoid using my position at AVS as a bargaining chip. I want to resolve this the same way any AVS member would have to approach a service issue.... even though that means it's cost me time and money. Ultimately it comes down to one thing: The F5300 is a really great television for dark-room viewing.

If there is an endemic issue with the F5300 and pinkish tints, then that's a separate story. I'm crossing my fingers that the third time is a charm.
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