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psst... buy an edgelit led...


try not to curse oled or FALD please, lol
I have an edgelit in the bedroom - a year old. In a year we'll find out if edgelit is the proverbial cockroach.

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here's my own, less than scientific comparison. unfortunately(or fortunately) I don't own any comparable matte screen TV's, so this is the best I can do.


I've also spent the effort needed to make sure I don't have lights reflecting off my screen, so I used a flashlight instead. I imaging sunlight would only makes things worse.


here is both TV's off, with a flashlight pointing in their direction. so, a small reflection in the 'clear screen', or the entire 'matte screen' being washed out. in fact, you can even see how the f8500's louver filter actually spreads out the light vertically, so this isn't even the best case 'clear screen'.



same thing with the flashlight off, and the TV's displaying an image. aside from the obvious difference in quality, TV's are comparably bright(so this is about the screen, not the panel behind it)



and now we have some random screenshots from movies with the flashlight back on. I'm not sure which one you'd prefer, but i'll take the 'clear screen' everytime.







even the brighter scenes look better on the clear screen imo. I think perhaps a full screen animated movie might look better on the matte screen, but I don't base my buying decisions on how good the simpsons look...


now, where I would say a matte screen is a good thing, is when you have a large area of medium brightness. say your room is entirely white, but not super bright. in those conditions, a matte screen does a good job of hiding reflections of the room, but only if it's not bright enough to wash out the image on screen.
Those are all great movies! Lol!
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Except during the day, youre pupils are shut down so to maintain black levels (AND WITH MOST LCDs) you can crank up the peak whites to maintain contrast ratios.
yes, during the day blacks look good on pretty much all displays, unless they get washed out by reflected light
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Those are all great movies! Lol!
You had to quote the whole post to utter that?! Anyway, I disagree...they're half-good. Hooray for Prestige and Batman (and not just because I have a mancrush on Mr. Bale). Avatar is derivative, preachy, sanctimonious, etc.
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Now turn the lights up and open the blinds and do that same series of shots fierce. :wink

Anyways, thanks for the photos, especially that one with the flashlight and the louvre filter action on the F8500.
I can't, my room is designed for watching movies...


but I know what you're getting at. with LARGE sources of light, a glossy screen will be pretty bad. like if there was a huge bay window right behind my head. but with small light sources, like what I have seen in every home I've been in(light bulbs, lamps, etc) a glossy screen keeps that source small, while the matte screen spreads it out over the entire screen.


that being said, I still question the ability of ANY screen to effectively handle something like a bay window right behind the viewer. I have a white poster mounted above my bed, and it creates a very distracting reflection on my lcd in the bedroom. it's not actually a matte screen, it's somewhere in the middle, but I'm sure a matte screen would still show a large white reflection, you just wouldn't be able to read what it said on the poster.





anyway, I still view matte screens as only being effective up to a point. once you go brighter, they definitely don't seem to help anymore.
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You had to quote the whole post to utter that?! Anyway, I disagree...they're half-good. Hooray for Prestige and Batman (and not just because I have a mancrush on Mr. Bale). Avatar is derivative, preachy, sanctimonious, etc.
prestige is probably my fav from that group. they are just screen shots I downloaded I use to compare my displays. still trying to figure out how to take a photo that looks as good as it does in real life. the photos always look compressed or something. pacific rim and avatar are terrible movies but great eye candy. I wasn't really impressed with oblivion at all, but I watched an HD 'rip' of it, not the BD. supposedly it's a pretty looking transfer, but I don't except I could sit through another viewing, haha.


I actually haven't seen that first one, it's just an image I like because it has some bright areas but a lot of dark shadow detail around the edges. it absolutely murders most edgelit leds...

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Reflections: F5300 vs. F8500 vs. Panasonic 77U series

Fierce/ Escape,

I stumbled upon this thread as we purchased a 51" F5300 a couple of weeks back to replace our 42" Panasonic 77U series with the one year only anti-glare coating. Unfortunately, we just could not live with the reflections and a week later I boxed it back up and returned it. The picture quality was really VERY nice - amazing for a $599 TV - but in the end it didn't matter. Anyway, we are now on the fence as to what to do

See my post here around the glossy screen challenge in our room, and for pics of our Panasonic 77U series and commentary against a true mate screen:
http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-fla...l#post24970153

Here is one pic from that thread (77U plasma with glossy bezel and dirty matte screen laptop):


Fierce - your pictures comparing the reflections have been VERY helpful (thanks so much for taking the time to do this).

The matte on the 77U series is NOTHING like the filter on the F8500. The matte is just that...a semi-matte coating (which, I'll point out was $200 "extra". The F8500 is still glossy, but has that "internal" louver filter (they had one mounted low on the wall at BB and you could see the whole change in image in the vertical plane when you were right up on it, etc.). Totally different technologies.
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^^ I don't envy you man, I'd be rearranging that room completely trying to find a way to not have windows reflecting off the screen. that room is a candidate for mounting the tv higher, just so you can angle it down to avoid the windows, haha.
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^^ I don't envy you man, I'd be rearranging that room completely trying to find a way to not have windows reflecting off the screen. that room is a candidate for mounting the tv higher, just so you can angle it down to avoid the windows, haha.
Fortunately, the severe angle that shows the french doors isn't an issue as it is just to the right of the couch (i.e. you would have to be standing to the right to see them). However, the F5300 just showed EVERYTHING (i.e. couch, us, white walls especially, etc) so dang clearly it was impossible for us to focus on the picture.
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I agree 100%.. I am so glad i bought my Panny GT50 60 inch .. the best TV i have ever owned.. got in 2012... I really don't plan on replacing it until either OLED is worked out or maybe in the next 5-6 years, if the Panny LED TV's are really as good as they look.... I don't know.. I am real happy with my plasma and glad i snagged it before they went out of production, .. majority of LED/LCD's don't look right.........Hopefully, they will perfect OLED 4k at some point.. the 4k LED TV's have worse black level than my Panny and don't look as good IMO... (Even tho it is "higher res")..just my .02....
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..." 2014—the year UHD/4K LCDs took over."

UHD/4K took over? Strong terminology for a tech that barely has its foot in the door.
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I hope they also gave you a supply of Y and X, main boards, a box of assorted capacitors, and a DIY Samsung Plasma TV repair kit.
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Hhgregg/Best Buy have the Samsung PN60F5300 for $799, do you think this is a good deal? I am trying to decide if I want to make the jump all the way to 60" from 42", I sit about 10' away and would be wall-mounting. Just trying to figure out if an extra 9" is worth $250.
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I hope they also gave you a supply of Y and X, main boards, a box of assorted capacitors, and a DIY Samsung Plasma TV repair kit.
Yes, Samsung calls that box full of parts a "TV" and it came with a DIY repair kit disguised as a warranty.
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A bit off topic, is it worth it for me to upgrade from a Panasonic VIERA TC-P54VT25 (2010) to a VT60 (2013)? I have a potential trade in the works, but I would have to add cash...[/QUOTE.



I would not. Most if not all plasma's on the shelves still are risky at best. With that said, if you can find a verified new VT60 that has never been opened, returned, refurbished, or repaired, go for thr VT60. Also remember that Panasonic quit making plasma all together. If your tv needs parts or breaks, it will be difficult to find replacement boards since that model has been discontinued the day it came out. You have to make the choice. But if you do go for the VT60, pay to have it pro calibrated. I am not talking about BestBuy calibration. Find a local pro calibrator and spend the money. I promise you the money spent will be worth it.
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The problem with that diffusion coating on the Panny 42PX77u is that also diffuses (fuzzies up) the light coming from the plasma panel to your eyes. It's like putting a soft filter on a camera close up shot to hide the aging starlets wrinkles.

Fuzzy Vision!
I wonder how exactly the newer non glare coatings work where if you're up slightly looking down, the picture darkens.

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A bit off topic, is it worth it for me to upgrade from a Panasonic VIERA TC-P54VT25 (2010) to a VT60 (2013)? I have a potential trade in the works, but I would have to add cash...
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A bit off topic, is it worth it for me to upgrade from a Panasonic VIERA TC-P54VT25 (2010) to a VT60 (2013)? I have a potential trade in the works, but I would have to add cash...
If it helps you decide, a 54-inch VT60 costs over $4000 NIB on Amazon and over $3000 used. It all depends on how much cash you have to add, but one thing is for sure... if you decide to sell the VT60 it commands a premium.

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If it helps you decide, a 54-inch VT60 costs over $4000 NIB on Amazon and over $3000 used. It all depends on how much cash you have to add, but one thing is for sure... if you decide to sell the VT60 it commands a premium.
The guy is not interested in a trade anymore, but:

- I have a buyer for my VT25 (54') for $900-1000 CAD
- Buddy is selling a "mint" VT60 (60') albeit, used for $2200 CAD

I'm not sure the upgrade is worth $1200-$1300....
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I agree 100%.. I am so glad i bought my Panny GT50 60 inch .. the best TV i have ever owned.. got in 2012... I really don't plan on replacing it until either OLED is worked out or maybe in the next 5-6 years, if the Panny LED TV's are really as good as they look.... I don't know.. I am real happy with my plasma and glad i snagged it before they went out of production, .. majority of LED/LCD's don't look right.........Hopefully, they will perfect OLED 4k at some point.. the 4k LED TV's have worse black level than my Panny and don't look as good IMO... (Even tho it is "higher res")..just my .02....
You have a great TV there. Definitely no reason to replace it quite yet.

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Hhgregg/Best Buy have the Samsung PN60F5300 for $799, do you think this is a good deal? I am trying to decide if I want to make the jump all the way to 60" from 42", I sit about 10' away and would be wall-mounting. Just trying to figure out if an extra 9" is worth $250.
60" minus 42" = 18" difference ........How do you get 9 inches from that?

Whatever other size you are considering, I would definitely go with a 60" at 10ft, no questions asked. If you meant to say 52", then you would be getting 33% more viewing area. That is huge. A lot of people don't really understand the measurements of TV's and how it effects the actual size of the screen.

A great example is if you have a 50" TV and you want to upgrade to 100" screen. Well, that sounds like it is just going to be double the size, right. Wrong! TV's are measured on the diagonal so a 100" screen has 300% more viewing area then a 50' screen. So while the number make it sound like it would just be double the size it is actually 3x larger in size.

Here is my favorite site that show you the exact size difference between screens and percentages.....Usually puts things into perspective for people.

http://www.displaywars.com/52-inch-16x9-vs-60-inch-16x9
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60" minus 42" = 18" difference ........How do you get 9 inches from that?

Whatever other size you are considering, I would definitely go with a 60" at 10ft, no questions asked. If you meant to say 52", then you would be getting 33% more viewing area. That is huge. A lot of people don't really understand the measurements of TV's and how it effects the actual size of the screen.

A great example is if you have a 50" TV and you want to upgrade to 100" screen. Well, that sounds like it is just going to be double the size, right. Wrong! TV's are measured on the diagonal so a 100" screen has 300% more viewing area then a 50' screen. So while the number make it sound like it would just be double the size it is actually 3x larger in size.

Here is my favorite site that show you the exact size difference between screens and percentages.....Usually puts things into perspective for people.

http://www.displaywars.com/52-inch-16x9-vs-60-inch-16x9
Sorry I wasn't clear, I am debating between the 51" and 60" Samsung plasmas, hence the extra 9" for another $250 more over the 51". But thanks the input, and vote of confidence! Either way it will be a huge upgrade, but I would probably have buyer's remorse if I didn't get the 60"

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Sorry I wasn't clear, I am debating between the 51" and 60" Samsung plasmas, hence the extra 9" for another $250 more over the 51". But thanks the input, and vote of confidence! Either way it will be a huge upgrade, but I would probably have buyer's remorse if I didn't get the 60"
I am 100" sure you will have buyers remorse if you do not get the 60". I watch my 65" plasma from 9.5ft away and could definitely go bigger but the size limitation of plasma's wouldn't allow it.

I watch my 100" front projection from 10ft away. So yeah, definitely go 60". In all truth, you will enjoy a 60" much better from that distance then you would a 51". At 51" you will be watching a TV, at 60" you are at your first steps of getting into the TV at that distance.
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I am 100" sure you will have buyers remorse if you do not get the 60". I watch my 65" plasma from 9.5ft away and could definitely go bigger but the size limitation of plasma's wouldn't allow it.

I watch my 100" front projection from 10ft away. So yeah, definitely go 60". In all truth, you will enjoy a 60" much better from that distance then you would a 51". At 51" you will be watching a TV, at 60" you are at your first steps of getting into the TV at that distance.


I had the option to go with a 50" or a 60" a couple years ago. It was a tough choice because I sit no more than 8' away. ( 7' away before I mounted the TV )


The 60" looks fantastic...( to make a long story short ). It may be only 10 inches larger than the 50....but the difference is night and day. Go with the 60 and you'll never regret it.


Enjoy!!
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I am 100" sure you will have buyers remorse if you do not get the 60". I watch my 65" plasma from 9.5ft away and could definitely go bigger but the size limitation of plasma's wouldn't allow it.

I watch my 100" front projection from 10ft away. So yeah, definitely go 60". In all truth, you will enjoy a 60" much better from that distance then you would a 51". At 51" you will be watching a TV, at 60" you are at your first steps of getting into the TV at that distance.
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I had the option to go with a 50" or a 60" a couple years ago. It was a tough choice because I sit no more than 8' away. ( 7' away before I mounted the TV )


The 60" looks fantastic...( to make a long story short ). It may be only 10 inches larger than the 50....but the difference is night and day. Go with the 60 and you'll never regret it.

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Thanks guys! I think you have sold me on the 60"
Yeah, then the only thing you will regret is not getting a 65" and this site doesn't make things any easier. HAHA

I initially went out to buy a new TV because I wanted 3D and I was using a 7 year old 52" DLP. I originally replaced it with an inexpensive 47" edge lit LED. Was not happy with the size and eventually after a few fights with the wife and a couple of returns and exchanges worked my way up to a 55" LED.

To make a long story short, and a couple more returns and exchanges throughout a few months, the TV I ended up with in the end was a 65VT60. I came a far way from my initial investment and quality of my TV purchase I original set out to buy.

Now jump a few months later, I added a front projector with a 100" screen to my arsenal. I am telling you, this is a dangerous place to be!

And I am happy to report I am still married.
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Congrats on the purchase.

Not to be a downer, but keep your fingers crossed that the pink banding hue issue doesn't rear it's ugly head on your new panel at a later date. I have owned 2 different Samsung plasma's in the past and both developed this very issue. In both cases it worsened as the panel aged.

I made the switch to Panasonic and couldn't be happier. Too bad the ST60's were no longer available, as that was easily the best value for videophile quality TV'S this year. I grabbed myself a 60"!
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Congrats on the purchase.

Not to be a downer, but keep your fingers crossed that the pink banding hue issue doesn't rear it's ugly head on your new panel at a later date. I have owned 2 different Samsung plasma's in the past and both developed this very issue. In both cases it worsened as the panel aged.

I made the switch to Panasonic and couldn't be happier. Too bad the ST60's were no longer available, as that was easily the best value for videophile quality TV'S this year. I grabbed myself a 60"!
If that problem appears/reappears, I'll document what happens when I try to get it fixed—I consider it all an experiment of sorts. I have read reports of similar issues on plasmas from every maker; and, I also know it's a relatively common issue with these budget Samsungs.

Edit - If I scrutinize the screen, I still see a bit of a shift towards magenta towards the screen edge, near the bottom. For fun, I'm going to start a case and see how Samsung responds.

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You're aware that LCDs update at a minimum of 60Hz right? Some at 120Hz and some even at 240Hz?
Only the backlight does, you realize that? So a minimum update of a 60 hertz light-bulb is just bullcrap, if the Liquid Crystals have a fast response time of even 5 milliseconds. Plasma's response time is in a few microseconds.
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