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It's the difference between a TV and more than a TV.

Get yourself a TV by all means. But if you really want to take it to the next level of immersion, get yourself a Front Projector and really GO BIG 92"-120". Dont kid yourself that 65" or 70" is something more than a big TV.
I don't know if you are just making a general statement or directing this at me but I already own a front projector, a BenQ W1070 and a 100" screen. I know the exact difference between a flat panel TV and a front projector.
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What Im saying is that the difference between a 65" and a 60" plasma doesnt amount to a hill of beans.

In fact Id take the greater pixel density of the 60"....of course the Pentile Matrix screen on the Samsung 60F5300 throws that out the window.

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FYI, The 64" non pentile Samsung 64F5300 can be had for $1000.
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Looks like Walmart cleared them out already.

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My next TV will be a 60 KURO, if I can find one....I wouldn't touch 4k with a 10ft pole. ( ..or 3d for that matter )
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TV's are measured on the diagonal so a 100" screen has 300% more viewing area then a 50' screen. So while the number make it sound like it would just be double the size it is actually 3x larger in size.
Wouldn't it have 200% more viewing area, then? 200% more = 3X the size. 300% would also = 3X the size.

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Wouldn't it have 200% more viewing area, then? 200% more = 3X the size. 300% would also = 3X the size.
Twice the diagonal measurement equals four times the viewing area. 400%. That's because you can fit four 50" screens in the area occupied by a 100" screen.

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My next TV will be a 60 KURO, if I can find one....I wouldn't touch 4k with a 10ft pole. ( ..or 3d for that matter )
We'll be sure to remind you of this post when you inevitably buy a UHD set at some point in the future.
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Update on my purchase (sears.com sucks)

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I bought this model from Sears.com yesterday for $665 after tax (Sears has been dropping it to $680, plus I got 10% cashback from ShopDiscover, and I chose store pickup.) I think I got a really great price; I have been doing a TON of research on displays (AVS and elsewhere.) From everything I've researched, I totally feel like plasma is the way to go in this small window we have until they're gone from store shelves.
  • Projector screens are too big for my area, don't handle motion as well, and have a high cost for bulb replacement.
  • CRTs and DLPs are too large and heavy...and discontinued.
  • LCD/LED is okay, but plasma is superior (except in bright light.)
  • OLEDs sound like they will be the way to go, but I'm guessing it will be at least five years before prices are even close to affordable.
  • 4K is stupid for the general consumer; I hate how it's being pushed on LED-lit displays.
Like you, I can't afford to drop over $2K on an PNxF8500, and honestly, I don't think I would even if I had the dough. Although the Samungs and LGs are the only plasmas left, this fits the bill, and I hope I couldn't be happier. I'll be viewing mainly OTA, DVDs, BDs, online streaming (mainly Netflix), and some last-gen console gaming.

Anyway, great write-up. I'm super-excited to get mine up and running.
Sears CANCELLED my order with no explanation. Here's the email I received this morning:

Hi ___,


We are contacting to inform you that unfortunately, we are unable to authorize your purchase at this time, and your order has been canceled.

We invite you to return to Sears.com, and place a new order.

Sears.com accepts Sears Card, MasterCard, Visa, Discover and American Express.

We value your business and look forward to fulfilling your shopping needs in the future.

Best regards,
Imran Jooma
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Imran@customerservice.sears.com


I got this great deal and was feeling all good about myself, then I was shot DOWN. After going to the local store, they couldn't do anything, so I called sears.com support and was on the line a couple hours. I thought I was getting somewhere, but then I was disconnected, and the number I was given in case of a disconnect was incorrect. I also bought the 51" PN51F4500. So while I thought I saved $260 off what I could get these TVs from other places, I'm just back to square one--plus time I wasted. I'm done with sears.com; won't be dealing with them again.
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EscapeVelocity unfortunately we will see more and more glossy screens, The glossy screens in combination with the new design styles makes this TVs look beautiful.

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Got my new signature workin!

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Genesis...how retro, brings back fond memories.
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Edited my signature. Cant fit my Panny AX200u 720p LCD Front Projector and 92" Optoma Graywolf and Draper Luma screens on there. (Lookin to upgrade to the Epson 8350 1080p)

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Genesis...how retro, brings back fond memories.
Looks really good on the 32" Vizio plasma.

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If for a reason donĀ“t buy projector this year (September is my limit) I will definitely get a plasma
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I doubt it, I'm sure you'll forget by then.
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Looks really good on the 32" Vizio plasma.




Awesome!I Gotta upgrade to a retron 3 console...so I can get some old school genesis titles. Right now I'm collecting some of the more rare NES and SNES games. ( using a crt TV )


Enjoy!

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What Im saying is that the difference between a 65" and a 60" plasma doesnt amount to a hill of beans.

In fact Id take the greater pixel density of the 60"....of course the Pentile Matrix screen on the Samsung 60F5300 throws that out the window.
That's you. I would take a 65" TV over a 60" every day of the week if we are talking about the same TV.

How can you say there is no difference in size between the 2 in one sentence and then say that 5 inches smaller is going to really make a difference in pixel density.

You can't have it both ways.

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Twice the diagonal measurement equals four times the viewing area. 400%. That's because you can fit four 50" screens in the area occupied by a 100" screen.
Yes, that is what I meant to say. A 100" screen is an additional 3 50" screens which makes a 100" screen equal to 4 50" screens. Now that doesn't sound confusing at all. lol
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I dont think we disagree all that much, and are arguing some point that got lost a while ago.

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common sense even our old crt tube were prone to burn logos just like oled as well mix content. When cc was still a business plasma was still new . remember i said 2007 was my 1st yr buying a plasma .plasma was already declared lost at that point
Im more worried about the algorithm the way it was made .resolution is not the important factor
I agree. If you're careful, you'll likely have no problems. I just always felt like I had to baby a plasma and I didn't want to do that. I also worked at Ultimate Electronics until 2011 and saw a fair share of customers bring back plasmas with logos and letterbox bars burned in as well. Again, I have no idea what settings they were using or if they just left it on the same channel for a week straight.

I just know that I never, personally, knew anyone who got burn-in on their CRT. But, I saw plenty of issues with plasmas. The only CRTs I ever saw with burn-in were arcade machines that had the same logos displayed on them for years, straight. Or perhaps PC monitors that never ran a screen saver. Where as a customer could take a plasma home and be back in three days with burn-in. Never saw that happen with a CRT.

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It seems penny wise and pound foolish to buy a plasma today, given the upcoming new ultra high definitions displays, especially in light of Scott Wilkinsons's many pod casts concerning the subject.
I think I'd rather have a lower resolution display with better overall picture and colour.


I still have a 720p plasma and it's got a better looking picture than half the 1080p LCDs I've seen lately.


I have a 1080p projector for movies, however.
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Twice the diagonal measurement equals four times the viewing area. 400%. That's because you can fit four 50" screens in the area occupied by a 100" screen.
Er, yeah, that's what I mean. I guess I got caught up in the 3X.

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Projectors are not as versatile as a flat panel. They are good to accompany a flat panel, but not sure I would have it replace it all together and the room it is going in plays way more of an importance then any flat panel TV even.
that's totally the key. in my basement room, I could definitely do without a tv. in fact, I WANT to replace my f8500 with a led projector for 'casual' use. that way I can use a fixed screen and really clean up the front of my room. and while I COULD make it too bright for a projector, I NEVER do.


now if we were talking about my living room, or even bedroom, that wouldn't be the case. not everybody likes watching movies in the dark, I do. so from my point of view, I agree that anything over 60 you might as well do a projector, because I wouldn't put anything larger than 60 in a room that wasn't set up for movie watching. I have a 40" in the bedroom and a 50" in the living room, and they handle their jobs perfectly well at those sizes. I wouldn't dream of putting a 70" or something in either of those rooms.
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^I would (dream of putting a greater than 60", even 65" panel) in such a room, but that's in part because I have no basement. I salivate over the prospect of a certain 77" model daily.
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I agree. If you're careful, you'll likely have no problems. I just always felt like I had to baby a plasma and I didn't want to do that. I also worked at Ultimate Electronics until 2011 and saw a fair share of customers bring back plasmas with logos and letterbox bars burned in as well. Again, I have no idea what settings they were using or if they just left it on the same channel for a week straight.

I just know that I never, personally, knew anyone who got burn-in on their CRT. But, I saw plenty of issues with plasmas. The only CRTs I ever saw with burn-in were arcade machines that had the same logos displayed on them for years, straight. Or perhaps PC monitors that never ran a screen saver. Where as a customer could take a plasma home and be back in three days with burn-in. Never saw that happen with a CRT.

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before I knew anything about TV's(I was like 8, so give me a break ok?) my parents bought a 32" sony CRT, after about 3yrs it 'wasn't working well' and we had a technician look at it. he basically said because we left it in the default picture mode we 'burned out the picture tube' and it would need to be replaced. of course the company we bought the extended warranty from went bankrupt so we were left with no options really. I believe we turned down the contrast(did a super basic calibration I guess) and continued using the tv as is. it lasted another 5yrs or so before we replaced it. but that experience definitely made me aware of crt's limitations if you will. I've always 'calibrated' every tv on day one, and treated them with the slightest bit of care and it's always been fine since. from my perspective, plasmas have actually been much more reliable than crt. we had that sony, a hitachi RPTV, and a couple of cheaper zenith TV's all 'go bad' within about 4yrs of owning them. none of them every actually stopped working, but they had very noticeable decreases in performance. so far, my plasmas have been rock solid.


I mean, I guess lcd's are even more idiot proof, but I've always been surprised that ppl are so worried about IR on plasma, when it was actually worse on CRT. or I suppose I should say the BURN IN was worse on crt. but because there was no other option, I guess nobody really paid any attention to it.
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^I would (dream of putting a greater than 60", even 65" panel) in such a room, but that's in part because I have no basement. I salivate over the prospect of a certain 77" model daily.
if my living room, or my bedroom was my main theatre room, then sure. but I don't use either as a theater space, that's all I really mean.


I like the idea of putting all my 'good stuff' in one room specifically designed for movies and media. my living room is not designed for that, my bedroom is not designed for that, and I wouldn't want a huge tv in a room not designed to be for tv watching. I like to have every room serve its own dedicated purpose.
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Pulled the trigger on the PN60F5300! I don't see any pink hue on the bottom so I am hoping nothing crops up. I plan to get a warranty from square trade regardless for peace of mind. First impressions are fantastic, I need to calibrate it but Avatar looked absolutely gorgeous. The colors are more vibrant and the contrast is better than my old Panasonic. Will post an update when I use the calibration settings from one of the threads on here! Thanks for all the help guys, this thing looks awesome, and it's huge
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before I knew anything about TV's(I was like 8, so give me a break ok?) my parents bought a 32" sony CRT, after about 3yrs it 'wasn't working well' and we had a technician look at it. he basically said because we left it in the default picture mode we 'burned out the picture tube' and it would need to be replaced. of course the company we bought the extended warranty from went bankrupt so we were left with no options really. I believe we turned down the contrast(did a super basic calibration I guess) and continued using the tv as is. it lasted another 5yrs or so before we replaced it. but that experience definitely made me aware of crt's limitations if you will. I've always 'calibrated' every tv on day one, and treated them with the slightest bit of care and it's always been fine since. from my perspective, plasmas have actually been much more reliable than crt. we had that sony, a hitachi RPTV, and a couple of cheaper zenith TV's all 'go bad' within about 4yrs of owning them. none of them every actually stopped working, but they had very noticeable decreases in performance. so far, my plasmas have been rock solid.


I mean, I guess lcd's are even more idiot proof, but I've always been surprised that ppl are so worried about IR on plasma, when it was actually worse on CRT. or I suppose I should say the BURN IN was worse on crt. but because there was no other option, I guess nobody really paid any attention to it.
I just never had a problem with any CRT I owned or anyone I knew, as far as burn-in goes. I saw a few break down over the years, of course. I saw plenty of plasmas come back with burn-in, though. Which, obviously, I can keep repeating. Lol. With that said, I'm sure some brands do better at not getting burn-in etc... and I'm sure now days when you exercise some caution, it's really not a problem. It's just always in the back of my mind. Can't seem to shake it.

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I just never had a problem with any CRT I owned or anyone I knew, as far as burn-in goes. I saw a few break down over the years, of course. I saw plenty of plasmas come back with burn-in, though. Which, obviously, I can keep repeating. Lol. With that said, I'm sure some brands do better at not getting burn-in etc... and I'm sure now days when you exercise some caution, it's really not a problem. It's just always in the back of my mind. Can't seem to shake it.

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as far as burn-in goes. I think it's pretty tough to do that with either display. I mean crt's were used as computer monitors forever and it wasn't a huge deal. the most obvious time I saw 'burn-in' was at work, when I worked at McD's we had crt's for our orders when is started working, and if you turned off the system the outline of the menu(the part that never changed) was clearly burned in. I heard the term 'burn in' throw around a bit with crts, but it was never that obvious. then again, it seemed like you had to go out of your way to get widescreen movies and stuff back then, so it was almost always full screen content.


IR is definitely worse on plasmas, but I think ppl pay too much attention to it. we are conditioned to associated IR with burn-in, but that's not really the case. having IR that lasts 30seconds is a far cry from burn in that will ruin your display. I don't think it's fair to say that because your plasma gets minor IR after only 20minutes of watching CNN, it will likely be totally ruined after 4hrs or something. so far, I have not seen IR ever turn into burn-in. so while IR is definitely more common with plasma than crt, I'd argue that burn in is not more common in plasma than crt, maybe even less common(but that could just be because ppl are aware of it and go out of their way to prevent it now)


for whatever it's worth, I've been using my plasmas as my computer monitor since 2008 or 2009(whenever I bought my PN50B530) and I haven't had any issues with burn-in
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