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Help convincing the wife and choosing a plasma.

So, I am in the market to get an HDTV. We just moved into our new house and this will be our first Flat Panel TV (yeah definitely not early adopters lol). Our Budget is pretty tight and from everything I have read hear Plasma seems to be they way to go for performance/$.

My wife is less than thrilled with the Plasma seeing it next to an LED at Best Buy and the fact that they are stopping production. I told her about the settings and brightness in the stores and pointed out that we have never had a TV repaired or had to buy parts.

Finally, it seems to be a toss up between the Samsung 5300 or the LG 6600/6650. I don't need the "smart" features so it really comes down to which is the best picture and least IR. Thanks for your help.

ETA: We are looking at 60" in our living room not too bright, watching primarily Netflix/hulu and movies.

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So, I am in the market to get an HDTV. We just moved into our new house and this will be our first Flat Panel TV (yeah definitely not early adopters lol). Our Budget is pretty tight and from everything I have read hear Plasma seems to be they way to go for performance/$.

My wife is less than thrilled with the Plasma seeing it next to an LED at Best Buy and the fact that they are stopping production. I told her about the settings and brightness in the stores and pointed out that we have never had a TV repaired or had to buy parts.

Finally, it seems to be a toss up between the Samsung 5300 or the LG 6600/6650. I don't need the "smart" features so it really comes down to which is the best picture and least IR. Thanks for your help.

ETA: We are looking at 60" in our living room not too bright, watching primarily Netflix/hulu and movies.
There is a thread on Plasma vs LED in this forum. I am not sure the right way to link the thread.

Plasma vs LED LCD

I think CNET had something on it too, but don't have time to search for it.
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I would lean toward the Samsung over the LG, I have heard good things about the 5300. I have an old Samsung plasma from 6 years ago and it still looks/works great and I purchased a Panasonic ZT60 last fall and am very happy with it. My wife really likes the plasmas, but was confused as to why I would buy one after I puchased a Sony 4k last summer. After seeing the Panasonic she didn't question the decision, true it is a drastically different model than the 5300, but the picture quality advantage over an LED/LCD was apparent to her immiediately. Is there a way to demo your own material on each to show the difference to her?

You could also go by my method of just buying it and convincing her later She also understands that I do a ton of research first though.
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Your wife summed up why plasma died. I just wished Samsung came out with the 8500 2 years earlier.

All I can say is sometimes you just have to make that decision. Catch my drift
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It's a bit of a saga but here's my experience....

Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014

Short version: The Samsung F5300 is awesome if you get a good one. At that price point there is no LCD that will compete in a light-controlled environment. In-store at Best Buy, the F5300 looks comically terrible compared to LCDs. At home it's quite the opposite.
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Your wife summed up why plasma died. I just wished Samsung came out with the 8500 2 years earlier.

All I can say is sometimes you just have to make that decision. Catch my drift
Yeah, that's probably what is going to happen. Just looking for some 3rd party opinions for her to realize I'm not just getting the cheapest TV.

Also, how big of an is IR these days? Do I have to worry about pausing a movie to go get food from the kitchen or taking a bathroom break? How nessasary is a break in disk?
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I'm also a first timer for plasma. I'm not an early adapter for technology😃. I've been comparing performance of different technologies ie:LCD,LED and plasma for years. My humble conclusion prior to surrendering my money for plasma:
1. Plasma is at its peak for picture perfection.
2. Aging technology = declining cost,hence cheaper. More freebies.
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Personally Id go with the LG at 60".

Better yet get the Samsung 64" F5300.

LG makes a 5600 model plasma that does not have WiFi Smart Apps, IIRC. That is the one I would go for at 60".

Samsung will have better blacks....but the 60" model suffers from Pink Tint Syndrome. And last but not least it is a Pentile Matrix Display....whereas the 51" and 64" F5300s are regular full 1080p RGB matrix. So the horizontal resolution suffers and the Screen Door Effect is worse....albeit does save some energy consumption...and may improve achievable peak whites.

So my advice is to get the 64" Samsung F5300 or the 60" LG 5600.
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Yeah, that's probably what is going to happen. Just looking for some 3rd party opinions for her to realize I'm not just getting the cheapest TV.

Also, how big of an is IR these days? Do I have to worry about pausing a movie to go get food from the kitchen or taking a bathroom break? How nessasary is a break in disk?
IR shouldn't be an issue as long as you watch plenty of full screen content or run the screen wash after watching static images or letter boxing for long time periods. Pausing for a short time is expected and not a problem. Make sure your set is properly adjusted and the brightness and contrast settings are at reasonable levels, especially during break-in and you should be good to go. If a disc was necessary, it would be recommended in the owner's manual.

Print this article and give it to your wife if she has any reservations about plasmas: http://www.cnet.com/news/why-led-doe...etter-picture/

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Personally Id go with the LG at 60".

Better yet get the Samsung 64" F5300.

LG makes a 5600 model plasma that does not have WiFi Smart Apps, IIRC. That is the one I would go for at 60".

Samsung will have better blacks....but the 60" model suffers from Pink Tint Syndrome. And last but not least it is a Pentile Matrix Display....whereas the 51" and 64" F5300s are regular full 1080p RGB matrix. So the horizontal resolution suffers and the Screen Door Effect is worse....albeit does save some energy consumption...and may improve achievable peak whites.

So my advice is to get the 64" Samsung F5300 or the 60" LG 5600.
If the PN64F5300 does not have the pink tint issue, on sale at $1000 it has to be the best bang-for-buck screen out there.
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Personally Id go with the LG at 60".

Better yet get the Samsung 64" F5300.

LG makes a 5600 model plasma that does not have WiFi Smart Apps, IIRC. That is the one I would go for at 60".

Samsung will have better blacks....but the 60" model suffers from Pink Tint Syndrome. And last but not least it is a Pentile Matrix Display....whereas the 51" and 64" F5300s are regular full 1080p RGB matrix. So the horizontal resolution suffers and the Screen Door Effect is worse....albeit does save some energy consumption...and may improve achievable peak whites.

So my advice is to get the 64" Samsung F5300 or the 60" LG 5600.
Looks like the 5600 is discontinued/more expensive than the 6600/6650. Does it have any particular advantage to the 6600?
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Looks like the 5600 is discontinued/more expensive than the 6600/6650. Does it have any particular advantage to the 6600?
It seemed that the 6600 was more widely available.

Not that I know of. I personally prefer a set without Internet WiFi Apps integrated into the unit, just my personal opinion.

If you can spring for the 64" Samsung F5300 (has been onsale at Walmart for $999), that is the best move, IMO. But the 60" LG 6600 is a nice set too.
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It seemed that the 6600 was more widely available.

Not that I know of. I personally prefer a set without Internet WiFi Apps integrated into the unit, just my personal opinion.

If you can spring for the 64" Samsung F5300 (has been onsale at Walmart for $999, that is the best move, IMO. But the 60" 6600 is a nice set too.
I'm not seeing the 64" 5300. But I did see a 64" Samsung 5000 series for $802 whats the word on these?
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Samsung 64" H5000 is Pentile Matrix (unfortunately).

Here is a review.

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Google PN64F5300.

It's been going in and out of stock at Walmart for the clearance price.

Amazon with Free Shipping and Tax Free(in some states)is next best.

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We're trying to keep it down to 1k. I'll keep watching Walmart for it to come back in stock. Or might go with the LG. Thanks. Anyone care to chime in on IR?
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We're trying to keep it down to 1k. I'll keep watching Walmart for it to come back in stock. Or might go with the LG. Thanks. Anyone care to chime in on IR?
I don't find it is an issue on either the 60-inch F5300 or 64-inch F8500. Image retention is one of those things that just isn't the issue it used to be, but it still haunts plasma.
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Depends on the brand...with Pioneer and, apparently, Samsung, you have to really use and abuse them to get any IR. Panasonic of late is much more fragile. For LG, someone else will have to chime in.
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I have a Panasonic (P50X60) and two Samsungs (51" F4500 and F5300) . Only the Panasonic has caught my attention with regards to IR. My son and I were playing a video game one evening in his room (on the Panny), and I noticed the next morning when I turned his set on there was a silhouette of an icon on the game against the black background as the TV booted up. It shocked me a bit to be honest, but after watching a bit of TV on it it was gone. Overnight IR with the set turned off. I guess it needed some different images to clear it or something, which it couldnt get powered off.

The Samsungs are much more hearty in this regard. I have noticed very light IR on each of them, especially after leaving a DVR / satellite guide on the screen for several minutes, but when it does occur it is gone in less than a minute. The Samsung 51" units are incredible, in fact the F4500 720p is the sleeper set of the year IMO, its PQ is just unbelievable, even despite the resolution.

And yes, they all look like s**t in the showrroom next to LCDs. I know its hard to believe, and had the same questions before I took the plunge, but like others have said, once you get them in your home the plasmas will blow you away. Its the strangest thing.
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It's a bit of a saga but here's my experience....

Why I Bought a Plasma HDTV in 2014

Short version: The Samsung F5300 is awesome if you get a good one. At that price point there is no LCD that will compete in a light-controlled environment. In-store at Best Buy, the F5300 looks comically terrible compared to LCDs. At home it's quite the opposite.
I read that last night, its part of why I'm pushing for plasma. You touched on your experience with Samsung's tech support, but I think I missed where you elaborated on it.
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Go with the Samsung F5300 for sure. I just picked up the 60" for $730 and is way better than the LG.
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We're trying to keep it down to 1k. I'll keep watching Walmart for it to come back in stock. Or might go with the LG. Thanks. Anyone care to chime in on IR?
it's about 1/10th as bad as you think it is. I mean, I'm not going to say it's not there, but it really shouldn't be an issue if you put a tiny amount of care into your viewing. by all means, watch the movie without zooming in, game on it, watch the news with a scrolling ticker, that's all going to be totally fine. but do ALL of it, not just one of them. if all you do is watch CNN, even if it's only half an hour a day, the ir could become noticeable. as long as you mix content, even something as simple as a commercial break during a sports game, will 'wash' away the ir.


I use my f8500 as my main/only computer monitor(I have a laptop as well, but for the desktop, the f8500 is it). more than 1500hrs and 16ish months later, there's no issues with IR at all for me. I could probably find some if I went hunting for it after an extending web browsing session, but compared to what the alternative is, having to look for problems in order to see them is definitely better(I found edgelit led's completely unwatchable because of the clouding and flashlighting issues)


so yeah, the f5300 will, imo, beat every lcd/led on the market, even ones at double or triple it's price. in fact, I'd take it over any of the UHD displays even. so here's some 'ammo' you can try to use to convince your wife:
-plasmas have consistently received honors for 'best display' except for ONE year when the sharp elite won.
-I'm assuming you're watching CRT now? plasma is a much more similar display tech to crt than lcd is.
-next time you go to the store, change the settings on the lcds so they look dim/terrible(shouldn't be that hard ) so you can point out the benefits of plasma, like deeper blacks, viewing angles, motion, without her being distracted by how bright they are.
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Yeah, that's probably what is going to happen. Just looking for some 3rd party opinions for her to realize I'm not just getting the cheapest TV.

Also, how big of an is IR these days? Do I have to worry about pausing a movie to go get food from the kitchen or taking a bathroom break? How nessasary is a break in disk?

IR is still a weakness for plasma. I have a Sammy plasma and have had very little issues with that said. You will probably see a little but in a short period it will go away. From what you've described you'll see little if any at all.
I still caution heavy gamers and recommend LCD technology instead.
By the way LCD can get it as well but they're a little more resistant to it.


Break in disk(s) are unnecessary. Just plug and play. Well, take it out of vivid mode. Use normal or custom and set either or both to warm mode for better color accuracy.
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I'm not seeing the 64" 5300. But I did see a 64" Samsung 5000 series for $802 whats the word on these?
Where in the world did you find the 64H5000 for $802? I haven't seen it drop below $1298.

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Go with the Samsung F5300 for sure. I just picked up the 60" for $730 and is way better than the LG.
Do you have the pink tint issue at the bottom of the screen? At this point I'm trying to find someone who doesn't have the issue. Mine has it, but I'm still considering keeping it because I got it for less than $600. I'm not going to be able to find anything close for that price. I only really notice it when web browsing.
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My real TV here out of 5 (6 )if you count the garage Is The Sammy 60f5300 no issue with the pentile screen or pink tint at bottom here either. I bought it in 2013 .

OH I got clued into plasma goodness (and a lot of other things )a while back here at AVS also even though I saw a lot of them and liked them prior to that . Some of these guys have owned or own some of the best the best LCD on the planet
a lot have seen them all also .

Imagic has seen all the latest greatest stuff at CES ,elsewhere and in his home for review
he's in the business . If he tells you f5300 is good take it to the bank same with a lot of other posters here
If you know you know if you don't you don't. but take our word for it anyway !

Some of the very best jaw droppingly incredibly good pictures I have ever seen were the
Panasonic VT/ZT plasmas and the Samsung f8500 plasma 4K LCD not notwithstanding !
Things are awesome Only thing I know other than an OLED in the same ball park would be a TOTL Sony XBR 9x
and maybe they would all have to have to be in bright room at that ?. not to mention the out of box panel defects and exchanges going on with those right now. Never seen anything like that with a Sony 8x panels are having problems also .When you get a good 9x it's very good otherwise 8x are decent also just not plasma decent .


On mine Everything is tidy whitey on the whitewash screen (as plasmas go if the ABL doesn't kick in ) it still easily spanks my 5 mo. old newest and very good 2013 Sony R4 LED with this panel , (Sony R4 Black: 0.022 cd/m2 Contrast: 4750 : 1 1080p Samsung SPVA ) as you can see for an LCD panel it's no slouch . 2014 w6xx replacements get a lesser Sammy panel . I like my Sony LED .............. but less when I turn the Sammy on !


60f 5300 spanks my R4 easily to get an LCD panel as good the Sony R4 today you are talking at least a Sony 8x in a 55" maybe $1298.00 in a 50" $998.00 I'm sure the 60f5300 can spank that easy also since the AUO AMVA5 panel inside is basically equivalent to the one in my 2013 R4 . I didn't do anything special to break mine in other than leave it on normal channels without stationery images or banners for about 10 days without turning it off!

Only thing I don't like is the ubiquitous Samsung chicken foot stand ! ........I don't know what they were thinking or not on that.............. it's so ugly nobody copied it


Show the missus this whole thread .

Or you can if you are brave just go buy one while she is out . Then tell her to close her eyes B4 she comes in the room and when she opens them say " What do you see ,....... My new TV right ? ........... you like it right ? ....... know what I mean "

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Where in the world did you find the 64H5000 for $802? I haven't seen it drop below $1298.


Do you have the pink tint issue at the bottom of the screen?
What about and anti fungal for the pink crud ? ............. just kidding

hopefully it's a minor voltage adjustment (I read that it may be somewhere maybe here in another thread ? )
Or maybe you will never see it on a regular screen!

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Just to add to my previous post about IR, to sum it up, its a non-issue, even on the Panasonic model I have. I abuse my TVs with games, PCs, and DVR grids, and theres absolutely no IR on ANY of them as I type this.

Think of IR as a flourescent bulb that glows a little after you shut it off in a dark room. Thats literally really all it is!
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Where in the world did you find the 64H5000 for $802? I haven't seen it drop below $1298.
Yeah sorry, I was doing a quick search and read the "you saved" line in the price vs the "Your Price"

Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm probably going to get the 60" 5300
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I have the 60PN5300 and have no pink tint issue at all. You will be besides yourself at how nice the picture is with a little fiddling with the settings.

IR is IR. All plasmas have it to some extent and it is NOT burn in. The only time you can see it is when you switch to an unused input and look very closely and if you do see some, it is from very recent viewing. When I bought my first plasma about six years ago, it kind of freaked me out but I have never seen it during regular viewing. It is a total non-issue.

I cannot recommend plasma strongly enough. The picture is beautiful. You can't underestimate how bright a showroom floor is(especially Best Buy with its sky lights) and plasma does get dim in a highly bright environment.

I am so saddened that plasma is going the way of the Dodo that I purchased two 60 inch sets in the last month to get me through. So now i have two 60 inchers and a 50 incher.

Get plasma, get the 60 inch 5300 especially if you are going budget. They say that some of the newer higher dollar LEDS rival plasma(I am not convinced)but a cheap LED is no comparison IMO.
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Here's another article. I stole this one from another thread. From Consumer Reports: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/07/...so-go-buy-one/


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