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Question Any differences between the Samsung F8500 60" and 64" models?

Besides the 4 extra inches on the 64? Any significant differences in panel type, pixel structure, etc? Trying to decide if the extra 4 inches is worth the ~$600+ price difference between the two. Thanks in advance!
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I've seen it reported that the 60" is more prone to buzzing than the 64", but other than that I know of no differences.
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Besides the 4 extra inches on the 64? Any significant differences in panel type, pixel structure, etc? Trying to decide if the extra 4 inches is worth the ~$600+ price difference between the two. Thanks in advance!
Generally, the smaller the plasma screen, the greater the light output. It would be more noticeable between the 51 inch model and 64 inch model, than it would be between the 60 inch and 64 inch model. The 64 inch is plenty bright, and calibrated with a cell light of 20 produced around 52fl on my tv, more than enough to burn your eyes!
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Thanks for the input!
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nothing out of the ordinary. like you'd expect, the larger screen sizes will use more energy, weigh more, probably won't be as bright, and may have better blacks(also because they aren't as bright).


I feel that 60" models have a higher number of reports of buzzing simply because it's the most common size purchased.
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I have read that the 64" has a slightly better contrast ratio. FWIW.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that the 60 inch is a pentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile display, while the 64 is not.

Whether or not it matters at an appropriate viewing distance is up for debate, but I thought it worth mentioning.
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I certainly can't make that decision for you, but if you can get the larger size that is the best decision. The number one post purchase regret is usually screen size. I really didn't buy into that until I bought a 65" set it does make a big difference in viewing experience imo

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that the 60 inch is a pentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile display, while the 64 is not.

Whether or not it matters at an appropriate viewing distance is up for debate, but I thought it worth mentioning.
I believe you have the wrong series.
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I believe you have the wrong series.
I had read (here) that it applied to both series. Upon further research it appears you're correct.

The 60 inch pentile version seems to only apply to the F5300 series. Sorry bout' that.
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Yes, the F8500 60" is not Pentile.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned yet that the 60 inch is a pentile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile display, while the 64 is not.

Whether or not it matters at an appropriate viewing distance is up for debate, but I thought it worth mentioning.
nobody mentioned it, because it's not true. the f8500 uses a 'normal' pixel structure that delivers full 1080p HD resolution on all sizes
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nobody mentioned it, because it's not true. the f8500 uses a 'normal' pixel structure that delivers full 1080p HD resolution on all sizes
With the additional 3x it was previously stated (me included), the 60" f8500 is not pentile, everyone just wasn't sure. Now that you've chimed in we can put it to rest, thanks!
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With the additional 3x it was previously stated (me included), the 60" f8500 is not pentile, everyone just wasn't sure. Now that you've chimed in we can put it to rest, thanks!
you'd be surprised how quickly a rumour like that spreads on the internet, honestly, if I were you, I'd go back and just delete that post before some moron reads it and believes it. then we can delete ours, and clean up this thread. or, you know, we can make a bunch of meaningless posts that derail it...
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Thanks for the clarification. I got nervous there when pentile was mentioned. Thanks again.
I'm coming from a Pioneer 5020FD. I love the picture on my pioneer but I am really craving a larger screen size. I am sitting about 11-12' away from the screen. Will the F8500 be a nice upgrade from the 5020?
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Thanks for the clarification. I got nervous there when pentile was mentioned. Thanks again.
I'm coming from a Pioneer 5020FD. I love the picture on my pioneer but I am really craving a larger screen size. I am sitting about 11-12' away from the screen. Will the F8500 be a nice upgrade from the 5020?
Read the f8500 buzzing thread from start to finish and you'll be scared off the 60 inch model with good reason I think, there were people in there that had bad buzzing on 60 inch models (plural due to multiple exchanges) and then went to the 64 and said it was noticeably quieter with regards to buzzing. I have a 64 inch and the buzzing is there but unless I turn my head to listen for it with the sound down I don't hear it so it's not problem but apparently people with a 60 inch could hear it all around the tv with the volume at normal levels
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Thanks for the clarification. I got nervous there when pentile was mentioned. Thanks again.
I'm coming from a Pioneer 5020FD. I love the picture on my pioneer but I am really craving a larger screen size. I am sitting about 11-12' away from the screen. Will the F8500 be a nice upgrade from the 5020?
I have the 5020 and the F8500. The F8500 has more accurate colors because of the 10 point calibration, but the 5020 has better blacks. When it comes to blu ray movies, I always lean towards the 5020 because of the better blacks. I don't think you will find a plasma currently on the market that can compete with the 5020. Panasonic, yes the VT and ZT are better, but that is moot, just like the Elites. Hang on to the 5020. The Sammy will be great for just about everything. But it can't match the 5020 when it comes to blacks. Close, but not better than the 5020. 64 vs 50 inches, the 64 will win unless you sit 5 feet away from the 5020. Andi if you know how to get into the SM, you can make the 5020 as bright and the F8500 by raising the ABL. In fact, you can make it brighter and retain the great blacks. Just as a side note, I also don't think there are any soundbars that can match the audio quality of the 5020 with a subwoofer attached. The 5020 has a great set of speakers, that current sets can not match. The F8500 speakers are, IMO, pretty wimpy.

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I have the 5020 and the F8500. The F8500 has more accurate colors because of the 10 point calibration, but the 5020 has better blacks. When it comes to blu ray movies, I always lean towards the 5020 because of the better blacks. I don't think you will find a plasma currently on the market that can compete with the 5020. Panasonic, yes the VT and ZT are better, but that is moot, just like the Elites. Hang on to the 5020. The Sammy will be great for just about everything. But it can't match the 5020 when it comes to blacks. Close, but not better than the 5020. 64 vs 50 inches, the 64 will win unless you sit 5 feet away from the 5020. Andi if you know how to get into the SM, you can make the 5020 as bright and the F8500 by raising the ABL. In fact, you can make it brighter and retain the great blacks. Just as a side note, I also don't think there are any soundbars that can match the audio quality of the 5020 with a subwoofer attached. The 5020 has a great set of speakers, that current sets can not match. The F8500 speakers are, IMO, pretty wimpy.
The wxman. I have a 5.1 surround setup so I don't even have the speaker bar attached to my 5020. Thanks for the input. It is a big help
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Read the f8500 buzzing thread from start to finish and you'll be scared off the 60 inch model with good reason I think, there were people in there that had bad buzzing on 60 inch models (plural due to multiple exchanges) and then went to the 64 and said it was noticeably quieter with regards to buzzing. I have a 64 inch and the buzzing is there but unless I turn my head to listen for it with the sound down I don't hear it so it's not problem but apparently people with a 60 inch could hear it all around the tv with the volume at normal levels
The buzz on my 60" is about what you describe for your 64", at worst. The room has to be quiet, and you have to turn your head sideways from a certain spot in front of the TV to hear it. It's a complete non-factor for me.
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You guys are very fortunate, I did not have the same experience with my 4 (yes, FOUR) 64F8500s. I ordered mine some time ago when Paul's TV was running their smokin' deal and very much wanted to love the set. Paul's was excellent about multiple returns, but after the fourth TV buzzed excessively I had to simply give up. I was hoping getting TVs from other areas might fix the problem (find a "good batch") but when all of them shipped from different states, I was discouraged. The first unit arrived damaged and I never really bothered with even checking on the buzzing, but the next three buzzed enough to literally give me headaches. The second unit I set up and kept long enough to see if the buzzing would diminish. It did not.

The TVs were set up in a guest bedroom (about 10'x10') with a viewing distance of about 8'. The set was obviously plenty bright and the blacks were very good, although slightly disappointing. (My main set is an Elite 70X5FD. Maybe that's why.) The heat was also enough to make the room too hot, so I would recommend keeping it in a bigger room if you do get one. The TV did produce an overall excellent picture and I would certainly have kept it if not for the buzzing. Hopefully you fair better than I did.

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The buzz on my 60" is about what you describe for your 64", at worst. The room has to be quiet, and you have to turn your head sideways from a certain spot in front of the TV to hear it. It's a complete non-factor for me.
Yep I know what you're saying, they're not all like that but according to that thread the 60's had more of this problem than the 64 inch, so if you have a choice between the two I'd buy a 64 to try and avoid the buzzing if possible. Happy to hear you got a good 60!

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You guys are very fortunate, I did not have the same experience with my 4 (yes, FOUR) 64F8500s. I ordered mine some time ago when Paul's TV was running their smokin' deal and very much wanted to love the set. Paul's was excellent about multiple returns, but after the fourth TV buzzed excessively I had to simply give up. I was hoping getting TVs from other areas might fix the problem (find a "good batch") but when all of them shipped from different states, I was discouraged. The first unit arrived damaged and I never really bothered with even checking on the buzzing, but the next three buzzed enough to literally give me headaches. The second unit I set up and kept long enough to see if the buzzing would diminish. It did not.

The TVs were set up in a guest bedroom (about 10'x10') with a viewing distance of about 8'. The set was obviously plenty bright and the blacks were very good, although slightly disappointing. (My main set is an Elite 70X5FD. Maybe that's why.) The heat was also enough to make the room too hot, so I would recommend keeping it in a bigger room if you do get one. The TV did produce an overall excellent picture and I would certainly have kept it if not for the buzzing. Hopefully you fair better than I did.

Good luck.
I think the room you have the TV in makes a huge difference for both sound and heat. I believe you when you say it made your 100 square foot room hot. When I was running the slides for 8 hours while I was at work in my basement I'd come home and the basement would feel warm when it would normally be cold. My 50 inch panasonic never heated up the entire basement rec room area like this TV does but I also don't plan on normally running it for 8 hours straight (minus NFL sundays!) on a regular basis.

For buzzing people reported in that thread having the TV in a smaller room caused the buzzing to "bounce off the walls" and it seemed louder. Some people's sets only had buzzing coming directly out the front of the set while others heard buzzing from everywhere (front, behind, etc). Other people posted that the directional buzzing out the front would fade over break in time


Either way I would say to the original poster to buy the 64 inch to try and avoid the buzzing seen in some of the 60's and who doesn't like a bigger TV if you've got the space
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Right,have a 64 inch and the buzzing is there but unless I turn my head to listen for it with the sound down I don't hear it so [IMG]http://*******/WNKpGN[/IMG]it's not problem but apparently people with a 60 inch could hear it all around the tv with the volume at normal levels
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Keep in mind that those with excessive buzzing are more likely to post to that thread. Others, like me, don't have excessive buzzing and don't go there to complain. It's possible that there are many more who buy the 60" and that's why there are more complaints of buzzing with that size. Overall, the excessively buzzing sets may be a small fraction of the total sold. My set is a recent build (May 2014) and may have been improved in this regard by Samsung, but also maybe not since my minimal buzzing seems to be in line with what others have reported previously.

I agree that you should go for the larger size if possible. I would have except for the WAF I had to deal with.
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I really think it's a crapshoot. I am now on my fourth 60" F8500. The three I had previously all buzzed to about the same level. It was loud enough to be annoying even over fairly high volumes (probably because of the pitch cutting through the other audio). But this fourth one barely buzzes at all! It's only a kind of low hum audible with the volume off or low from a fairly short distance, rather than the 'fly zapper' buzz the others had. I had thought all the F8500s probably buzzed and that it was more down to hearing and room layout than anything else, but obviously I was wrong. Unfortunately a 1/4 success rate is pretty bad and most people will not be able to go through multiple units until they find a good one, particularly with production now having stopped.

I don't think manufacture date has much to do with it either - this one is from way back in June 2013.
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I really think it's a crapshoot. I am now on my fourth 60" F8500. The three I had previously all buzzed to about the same level. It was loud enough to be annoying even over fairly high volumes (probably because of the pitch cutting through the other audio). But this fourth one barely buzzes at all! It's only a kind of low hum audible with the volume off or low from a fairly short distance, rather than the 'fly zapper' buzz the others had. I had thought all the F8500s probably buzzed and that it was more down to hearing and room layout than anything else, but obviously I was wrong. Unfortunately a 1/4 success rate is pretty bad and most people will not be able to go through multiple units until they find a good one, particularly with production now having stopped.

I don't think manufacture date has much to do with it either - this one is from way back in June 2013.
I thought production ends in November. I'm not sure how that translates to when inventory dwindles with retailers though.

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