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picktrekker's Avatar picktrekker
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He guys,

I can get an Pioneer KURO PDP-LX5090 FULL HD plasma with about 17.000 hours of watching (thats a freaking lot I think, will the panel be bad now? Or the viewing?) for about 550 euros.
So in dollars: about 700 á 750 USD.

BUT I have the money to buy for about 1500-2500 euro a new 2014 model with 3d. Brand new.
Like samsung, LG, Panasonic.

What do you guys think?
I dont care about extra features, I just want to have a good quality, 3d is cool, but KURO VS new model?? ITS cheap in a way the kuro I think,, normally its about 1250-1400 dollars.,,,

ANY TIPS?

PLEASE if you read this, give me a reply,, I have an appointment for the KURO tommorrow but I really am doubting.. it has a lot of hours... but I want a good tv for about 2 years,, than it will be again a new one when 4k is more developed...

THANK
discopaul's Avatar discopaul
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I'm highly opposed to any used TV. Go new.
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When you say 2014 model, are you talking plasma or some other technology? If you are talking about a 2014 LED LCD, I would the get the Pioneer, assuming it's in good shape.
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I would look at the Samsung plasmas, or watch out for other used TV deals if that is your thing (I also love a great deal). 17,000 hours is a lot, so I would not purchase that TV. To me, that is not a good deal unless you have money to burn and you have a very good primary set, then the Kuro might make a good TV for a secondary room. But even then, I wouldn't do it.
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Originally Posted by picktrekker View Post
He guys,

I can get an Pioneer KURO PDP-LX5090 FULL HD plasma with about 17.000 hours of watching (thats a freaking lot I think, will the panel be bad now? Or the viewing?) for about 550 euros.
So in dollars: about 700 á 750 USD.

BUT I have the money to buy for about 1500-2500 euro a new 2014 model with 3d. Brand new.
Like samsung, LG, Panasonic.

What do you guys think?
I dont care about extra features, I just want to have a good quality, 3d is cool, but KURO VS new model?? ITS cheap in a way the kuro I think,, normally its about 1250-1400 dollars.,,,

ANY TIPS?

PLEASE if you read this, give me a reply,, I have an appointment for the KURO tommorrow but I really am doubting.. it has a lot of hours... but I want a good tv for about 2 years,, than it will be again a new one when 4k is more developed...

THANK



Hi,


If you must have a Plasma you are probably better off with a lightly used Panasonic "ZT" or "VT" series.


5 YEARS newer and even bigger than the 50" Pioneer.


If I didn't still have my KRP 500M (with a LOT less than 17000 Hrs!!!) that's what I would go for as I am a BIG Plasma fan.




Cheers
tom669's Avatar tom669
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I bought a 5yr old PDP-LX5090 with 12,500 hours on it. No regrets. It had a red tint to the blacks problem like many Kuros but this was easily fixed (look up the thread.) IMHO that price is a bargain and you should get it. Kuros are incredibly reliable (I keep looking for faulty ones, the only faults I see are smashed screens) and have incredibly immersive picture quality.
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if you can afford the Samsung f8500, I'd take that over a kuro with that many hrs on it.


that's probably the only tv on the market other than far more expensive oleds that I'd recommend though. if you can't afford the f8500, then at least go check out the kuro, cause if it's in good working order it's going to destroy anything you can buy today for under a grand
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thanks guys, just what I needed.

I think its cheap, but 17.000 hours is alot,,, a freaking lot.
It had been broke before and the owner got it repared.

For 800 till 1000 euros more I can have an 3dtv,,,
So thanks for the replys

@fierce_gt
Do you mean the f8500 plasma versions of last year or this years 2014 UE versions?
picktrekker's Avatar picktrekker
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by the way, im still going to look at the kuro today,, just curious... but in my head,,, im prefering new... will be continued.....
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17K hours, wow, that is over 700 days of power on. That is a fair amount. I would find out what the usage was. The asking price is way too much though. I would offer $500.00 USD, telling the owner, with the amount of hours on it, I am not taking a chance on a panel that is out of warranty, and after that, since you are checking it out, if it looks good, works properly, and they took my offer, I would buy it. I own a Kuro, the 65" and wouldn't hesitate at $500, even if it crapped out two years down the road. For me, the PQ and price would be enough.
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17K hours, wow, that is over 700 days of power on. That is a fair amount. I would find out what the usage was. The asking price is way too much though. I would offer $500.00 USD, telling the owner, with the amount of hours on it, I am not taking a chance on a panel that is out of warranty, and after that, since you are checking it out, if it looks good, works properly, and they took my offer, I would buy it. I own a Kuro, the 65" and wouldn't hesitate at $500, even if it crapped out two years down the road. For me, the PQ and price would be enough.
65 there never was
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thanks guys, just what I needed.

I think its cheap, but 17.000 hours is alot,,, a freaking lot.
It had been broke before and the owner got it repared.

For 800 till 1000 euros more I can have an 3dtv,,,
So thanks for the replys

@fierce_gt
Do you mean the f8500 plasma versions of last year or this years 2014 UE versions?
pretty sure the 2013 and 2014 models are exactly the same. the UE version might be f8550? I'm not sure, sorry. but yeah, that's the one I mean. the top of the line plasma Samsung current has on the market. it really has CLOSE to the same picture quality as the kuro, but adds larger sizes(if you want), smart features(again, if you want), 3D, and possibly more importantly a warranty.
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65 there never was
You are correct, excuse the typo. My point remains the same.
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pretty sure the 2013 and 2014 models are exactly the same. the UE version might be f8550? I'm not sure, sorry. but yeah, that's the one I mean. the top of the line plasma Samsung current has on the market. it really has CLOSE to the same picture quality as the kuro, but adds larger sizes(if you want), smart features(again, if you want), 3D, and possibly more importantly a warranty.
close to the same picture quality as the kuro?
WOW,,, last time I was on this forum alot I bought the panasoinc gt.

I didnt buy this kuro, because of the hours, its crazy must be a display model.

I can buy a LX6090 KURO,, for about 1500 dollars.. very good condition,, or I will go for a panasonic ZT,,, but damn the price....
Or as you say the samsung....
You are talking about this f8500 ?? Right

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F8500AFXZA

?

THANKS
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close to the same picture quality as the kuro?
WOW,,, last time I was on this forum alot I bought the panasoinc gt.

I didnt buy this kuro, because of the hours, its crazy must be a display model.

I can buy a LX6090 KURO,, for about 1500 dollars.. very good condition,, or I will go for a panasonic ZT,,, but damn the price....
Or as you say the samsung....
You are talking about this f8500 ?? Right

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51F8500AFXZA

?

THANKS
that's the one. many ppl actually prefer it over the zt60
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17K hours, wow, that is over 700 days of power on. That is a fair amount. I would find out what the usage was. The asking price is way too much though. I would offer $500.00 USD, telling the owner, with the amount of hours on it, I am not taking a chance on a panel that is out of warranty, and after that, since you are checking it out, if it looks good, works properly, and they took my offer, I would buy it. I own a Kuro, the 65" and wouldn't hesitate at $500, even if it crapped out two years down the road. For me, the PQ and price would be enough.
Unless the fans were on max...running all the time, I would not buy it period because anything could happen to it now because of all that heat back there, all those days...

You have no way of knowing this so don't buy it! Could Dolby Vision be the future right now?...
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The used price of a PDP-LX6090 around here is £800~£1000 ($1300~$1600) so the owner should rightly laugh in your face (and that's not a silly price, because they DO sell for that. Check ebay sale prices.) A PDP-LX5090 is about £500~£800.

The panels are extremely reliable and there are no issues with heat build up. Usually the fans on Kuros do not run. I have seen a Pioneer 7G panel with 30,000 hours on it working perfect, and still no burn in. The brightness was maybe 20% down compared to a newer TV, but that was about it.

Buying a Panasonic is usually a good choice, but if you buy a Samsung, they have worse QC issues than almost any brand, so IMHO, you're at worse risk overall buying a newer Samsung over an older Kuro.
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Unless the fans were on max...running all the time, I would not buy it period because anything could happen to it now because of all that heat back there, all those days...

You have no way of knowing this so don't buy it! Could Dolby Vision be the future right now?...


Yeah, because these threads are full of people having bad panel issues because of heat. I have the elite line, but, still doesn't change the fact, these are very good panels and I would buy one in a second over what is left out there today.
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Yeah, because these threads are full of people having bad panel issues because of heat. I have the elite line, but, still doesn't change the fact, these are very good panels and I would buy one in a second over what is left out there today.
You make a good point there...

Pioneer did make the best panels, if you buy one used just remember to turn on those fans to Max and enjoy it until it kicks the dust...

Maybe 6 years from now OLED "might be safe" to buy then...
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The used price of a PDP-LX6090 around here is £800~£1000 ($1300~$1600) so the owner should rightly laugh in your face (and that's not a silly price, because they DO sell for that. Check ebay sale prices.) A PDP-LX5090 is about £500~£800.

The panels are extremely reliable and there are no issues with heat build up. Usually the fans on Kuros do not run. I have seen a Pioneer 7G panel with 30,000 hours on it working perfect, and still no burn in. The brightness was maybe 20% down compared to a newer TV, but that was about it.

Buying a Panasonic is usually a good choice, but if you buy a Samsung, they have worse QC issues than almost any brand, so IMHO, you're at worse risk overall buying a newer Samsung over an older Kuro.
agree with everything except the last statement.


while the pioneers were no doubt well made, you aren't at higher risk buying a new Samsung. they have similarly low failure rates as Panasonic, and the warranty ensures you get one of the good ones anyway.


there's almost no risk if you buy the new Samsung. the worst thing that can happen is you have to return it for a full refund.
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Hi,


If you must have a Plasma you are probably better off with a lightly used Panasonic "ZT" or "VT" series.


5 YEARS newer and even bigger than the 50" Pioneer.


If I didn't still have my KRP 500M (with a LOT less than 17000 Hrs!!!) that's what I would go for as I am a BIG Plasma fan.




Cheers
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