Originally Posted by Lara Croft
$1,797.99 is alot for a HDTV that can't compete with a $50 CRT.
And your $50 CRT certainly won't touch the F8500 in ANSI contrast ratio with a paltry 100:1~300:1. I'm still a big fan of CRT too. I still own the Sony Trinitron GDM-FW900 and to date, I consider my Sony Trinitron BVM broadcast monitor as the best CRT display I've seen/owned. Yet, I still consider the F8500 as a superior TV to my BVM. Heck, my current Panasonic S60 can already destroy my Trinitron BVM for 60% of contents, and it would easily peak near 100% had ABL not reared its ugly head. What the F8500 lose against my BVM (input lag, motion performance,ABL), it more than makes it up with its contrast ratio. Both are on about equal footing when it comes to color accuracy, and unlike consumer Trinitrons, my Sony BVM has perfect geometry so I won't put that against my CRT. While resolution difference is obvious between the two, I'm not someone who crows with resolution as I feel it's one of most overrated factor. (contrast ratio is much more important) Back when the F8500 was hot and steamy, on own, I used to consider it the only Sony BVM/XBR960 replacement. (The Kuros are a bit lacking in ABL department against the CRTs, the S-PVA LCDs have terrible motion blur)
Back in topic,
. Have you tried playing fast-paced FPSs on your CRT? I used to see it all the time while playing Quake and Unreal. CRTs are fortunate that low paced console 3D games do not really show judder that much, but PC FPSs have mouse-judder in addition to actual video judder, so I guess that's why it was easier for me to see judders on CRTs, as I mostly gamed on computer monitors. (Back in the day, I used to fiddle with Xbox and Playstation2 to output RGB instead of YUV so I could play on my FW900. Ahh.. those were the days.)
. Judder will not be defeated on ALL non-matching frequency rate between the display and the source. There is only one instance you can get a matching native 30hz panel and that is by buying an HDMI 1.4 Ultra HD TVs as they are limited to 24hz/30hz. I've confirmed those TVs eliminate judders completely but they have it FAR worse with increased sample and hold (meaning more blur) so it's not really worth it.
Even in 24hz playback mode, plasmas still suffer from image-doubling judder as I don't know of any plasmas that can output in 24hz. Most of them output in 48hz/72hz/96hz. Those modes WILL eliminate 3:2 pulldown judder, but the image-doubling judder will still remain because those frequency rates are multiples of 24hz. I tried setting my Geforce 650 to output in 24hz and tried to play some games in 48hz on my Panasonic S60, and while the playback was jerky and filmlike, (expected of 24hz playback) doubling judder was still present so it was very unfortunate. Plasmas have difficulty outputting true 24hz as flickering is already bad enough on 48hz. CRTs can be modded to output in true 24hz/30hz btw (my FW900 for example) and that will eliminate all judders on the CRTs. So, remember, to get rid of image-doubling judder, both the source framerate and display refresh rate must be matched.
If you're truly after the most judder-friendly display other than a CRT, then take a look at one of Panasonic professional plasmas. For consumer plasmas, the Samsung E8000 and the Panasonic VT50 are both respected here for having spectacular motion resolution, so check out those too.