Originally Posted by mailiang
Let me clarify. Based I on the reviews I've read, and what I have seen, the white balance on the S60 is slightly better then the F5300, which like many Samsung PDP's in this price range, have a tendency to skew to orange.
I have a feeling that a lot of these are based on the 2013 A spec models that have been significantly improved upon in 2014 B models. Quite a few of us have measured out of box Movie mode performance of the 51 and 60F5300 sets and both of them seem to have excellent out of box white balance and color performance for the most part. With calibration though, the grayscale/white balance is flawless on these as many of us have got ridiculously low dE values across 10-100% IRE.
I can not comment on the black level of the newer B series, but according to CNET's David Katzmaier's measurements, the difference between the S and the ST60 was a negligible 0.00027.
Yup, it looks like the S measures ~ 0.004 ftL and the ST60 is a bit darker than that. My point though was just that the new F5300B actually does better by 2X than the S, so it certainly doesn't have poorer black level performance unlike the A models which measured higher than the S60.
Also worth considering is the fact that the F5300 is more reflective then the S60 which can offset it's higher peak brightness capability. Personally, I have found that setting the panel brightness to mid on my S60 improves over all performance, especially under moderate daytime lightning conditions.
I agree with regards to bright/daytime viewing. But to be honest, black levels are meaningless in typical daytime viewing conditions and they only really matter during dark room viewing.
Bottom line, both these sets are pretty close and we're just splitting hairs when comparing them.
Yeah, I agree with that. I think Panasonic made fantastic sets. I just wanted to point out that the newer B spec F5300 panels are actually much improved and compare quite favorably against some of the Panny plasmas. One of the differentiatiors on the F5300 side is that it supports 96Hz movie mode for judderless playback. On the flip side the S60 has an anti-glare filter and some smart app capabilities IIRC.
I like rtings, but I'm not a big fan of a lot of their measurements as they seem to intentionally disable a bunch of useful features on panels. For example, they do not enable Black Optimizer on the F5300 or F8500 reviews even though it is very easy to verify that it makes a big improvement in black levels without crushing blacks. The poor measurement here is a function of an A spec model and BO turned off. As you mentioned, there might have been some conservative settings for the Panny plasma as well.