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Plasma TV Selection

Hello all,

I have been reading the boards for a while and have finally decided to upgrade from a 2007 Samsung LCD. I wanted to grab a plasma last year while Panasonic was still in the game but couldn't make it fit into my budget. Now, I want to take the plunge and grab a set before they're all gone.

I will be watching mostly sports and television with some streaming movies. I will also be gaming quite a bit. My fiancé surprised me with an XBOX One for my birthday so that is one reason I want to upgrade my television. Plasma just seems like the best television at certainly the best price right now.

I was about to grab the PN60F5350 from CostCo but have decided to wait and see if the H500 goes on sale anytime soon or if I can find a PN64F5300 anywhere. I would be willing to pay more for the H5000 because of the extra size and mostly for the lower input lag. Or with the 64F5300, I wouldn't have the Pentile display that the 60" offers. Having said that, the Pentile display doesn't really bother me. I haven't seen a Pentile next to a non-Pentile plasma display so it's hard for me to compare.

I would like to spend not over $1,000. Amazon would be preferably, even though they're limited with which models are currently offered, because I have $300 in gift cards there. The H500 would be easy to stomach with the gift cards, but I'd still like to see if it drops again soon.

What do you guys think? Should I wait on a price drop for the 64" models or just go for the CostCo model? CostCo offers a great return policy of course. I would love the 8500 series or a Panasonic, but the 8500 is out of my price range, and I can't find a store with a display or slightly used Panasonic. There aren't many shopping choices in my area. However, a local electronics chain has the 60" 8500 for $1,999 and 64" 8500 for $2499 right now. Still, way too much for me.

Also, I forgot to ask about buying used televisions from an amazon warehouse? Their descriptions make the sets out to be in good shape with the only issues being scratched stands. They never mention issues to the display.

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I'm sure others will chime in and offer you a recommendation in regards to your other questions but about buying used TV's, don't, unless you can physically see the TV. Doesn't matter if it's Amazon's warehouse or any other reputable dealer, especially when it comes to buying a Plasma. Some retailers will say there's no Image Retention or "burn-in" on the panel but it still can be. You want to fully inspect for any dents or scratches on the cabinet and screen, hours on the panel and for any stuck pixels.
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Thing to keep in mind about the F8500 it has been degraded via firmware since it was originally released, both the H5000 and some F5300s boast better black levels. The H5000 is pentile also but may not be an issue for you.


I did the Amazon warehouse thing once, set listed as like new and it arrived smashed to bits in a taped together damaged box.

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Thing to keep in mind about the F8500 it has been degraded via firmware since it was originally released, both the H5000 and some F5300s boast better black levels. The H5000 is pentile also but may not be an issue for you.


I did the Amazon warehouse thing once, set listed as like new and it arrived smashed to bits in a taped together damaged box.
you don't own one do you? this is OLD news, and was pretty insignificant at the time, hence why nobody made a big deal about it on the forums. no need to overstate it months after the fact.


curious, but what are the h5000's getting for mll? if it's indeed darker, I may actually be a better choice for dark room viewing. I still can't figure out a 'good' way to decrease the peak brightness on my f8500 for dark room viewing...

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you don't own one do you? this is OLD news, and was pretty insignificant at the time, hence why nobody made a big deal about it on the forums. no need to overstate it months after the fact.


curious, but what are the h5000's getting for mll? if it's indeed darker, I may actually be a better choice for dark room viewing. I still can't figure out a 'good' way to decrease the peak brightness on my f8500 for dark room viewing...
The H5000 gets 0.0017 fL, about the same as the ST60. It doesn't seem to hold ANSI as well as the ST60 but that was never confirmed with a measurement. One previous Panasonic S60 owner has said the H5000 is about the same as the S60, two other former F8500 owners have also said the H5000 has better blacks.

I agree with you on the F8500 though. It was never an ANSI monster from day 1 and the shootout has proved only on/off black has been sacrificed slightly, not really a big deal IMO.
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interesting, I've only ever seen one review of the h5000(probably same one you got the MLL from, as it's the same) and never anything from one of the calibrators on the board.


I went through the f8500 threads, and it seems somebody was getting .0019 out of the f8500 only a couple months ago(so likely the same as current fw), but I think we both know these mll readings a bit misleading. I've seen plenty of reputable reports showing how the f8500's blacks rise with brighter APL, but haven't seen that done with the h5000 yet.


I have to say though, the more I hear about the h5000, the more I think it's so unfortunate they went with a pentile display. it seems to do everything else so well!


fwiw, I've seen some reviews of the f8500 reporting .0025 or higher mll's as far back as may 2013. so I'm still pretty skeptical about this whole 'fw ruined the f8500' thing. I'd really like to see somebody reputable who has made measurements of the same f8500 running on different fw's chime in on this. not just somebody who calibrated different ones at different times, although that would still be interesting if different build dates had different performance, it wouldn't be the same as claiming a fw(unknown fw I might add) made the difference. especially considering some ppl are claiming their mll's are better than ever now.

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Not overstating anything and since when do you need to be an owner to comment ? This isn't an owners thread last time I checked. As far as the mll rise it has been well documented by calibrators and some owners. The only people that claim deeper blacks don't own meters . Oh yeah there is one guy who has measured it but he claims "the dot moved" in the calibration software hardly scientific. For me it was the main reason I went with a floor model vt60 over the f8500. The blacks float on all the 2013 Samsung models. Some people don't care some do.

The h5000 has been measured at .0016 by David Mackenzie . For me the lack of an ar filter would be a deal breaker .
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Just my two cents, but since there is no real standard of measurement, and calibration isn't an exact science, it's very difficult to compare black levels that close unless it's from the same source. I never put that much merit in it when choosing a set.


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MLL is a standard of measurement. You can choose to not consider it when purchasing a set but it is a standard. From that on/off and ansi contrast are derived, ansi in my experience is valuable when deciding between two sets. That is my own personal criteria though I respect your point of view. For me a set that floats to an LCD like ansi contrast ratio with content on the screen is not acceptable but again that is just my set of standards.
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edit: I had my well written, rant filled, rebuttle all typed up, but I'm not going to bother, we haven't even answered the poor OP's questions yet, and I don't want to destroy this thread. sorry


now, to that effect, in the ~$1000 range, I would recommend stretching it enough to get a 64" f5300


you get great black levels
you get a large screen
you get full HD pixel structure


basically its the best all around tv you can buy for less than the f8500

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I'm kind of in a similar boat as the OP. I have a budget of $600-$800 for a tv in the living room. I'm looking at the 51" F5300, or the 60" version. You guys have me a little wary of the 60" pentile screen, and I'm not going up the 64" version. I've also considered some of the deals going for the 60" LG. Any opinions?
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Does anyone know where one could find a 64" 5300? Amazon has used sets, but now I don't want to do that after reading some of the posts.

I got Amazon to price match on the H5000 down to $1,186.00, but the pentile display just worries me still not being full HD.

And has anybody had much experience with the LG plasmas? Especially with input lag?
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MLL is a standard of measurement. You can choose to not consider it when purchasing a set but it is a standard.
My point is, that an MLL reading is dependent on the set's settings, which include luminance levels. There is no specific standard used to facilitate those settings to absolute accuracy on a test pattern for any given set. If you have 5 different calibrators and/or 5 different panels, you will more then likely get 5 different results.

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I have 60f 5300, pentile is not an issue for me but it could be for some from what I have read those would probably be good to see in a store B4 purchase if you can . ofc nothing wrong with 64f5300 either it's bigger and without pentile . That being said 60f5300 is real decent for the $$$ if pentile is not an issue for buyer. I believe 51f5300 and 64f5300 are not pentile.

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I'm kind of in a similar boat as the OP. I have a budget of $600-$800 for a tv in the living room. I'm looking at the 51" F5300, or the 60" version. You guys have me a little wary of the 60" pentile screen, and I'm not going up the 64" version. I've also considered some of the deals going for the 60" LG. Any opinions?
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Does anyone know where one could find a 64" 5300? Amazon has used sets, but now I don't want to do that after reading some of the posts.

I got Amazon to price match on the H5000 down to $1,186.00, but the pentile display just worries me still not being full HD.

And has anybody had much experience with the LG plasmas? Especially with input lag?
I know you guys are grasping straws here, but going with LG will be a far bigger mistake it's going to make Samsung's pentile issue...a non-issue. Terrible black/abl, and input lag just as bad as the ST60, it's not going to be pretty.

I for one, will be going from the Panasonic S60 to the Samsung H5000 despite its pentile issue.

1. approximately 25% improved ABL/brightness compared to the S60, giving mid-ABL games a MUCH needed boost.

2. Game mode/PC mode is broken on the H5000 so I can actually use the best picture settings and still get to enjoy low input lag. The F8500 not only trails the H5000 in MLL/ANSI, but it also loses black optimizer when going with PC mode which means I can have my cake and eat it too with the H5000.
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I know you guys are grasping straws here, but going with LG will be a far bigger mistake it's going to make Samsung's pentile issue...a non-issue. Terrible black/abl, and input lag just as bad as the ST60, it's not going to be pretty.

I for one, will be going from the Panasonic S60 to the Samsung H5000 despite its pentile issue.

1. approximately 25% improved ABL/brightness compared to the S60, giving mid-ABL games a MUCH needed boost.

2. Game mode/PC mode is broken on the H5000 so I can actually use the best picture settings and still get to enjoy low input lag. The F8500 not only trails the H5000 in MLL/ANSI, but it also loses black optimizer when going with PC mode which means I can have my cake and eat it too with the H5000.
Could be the pentile screen is a non issue at your typical view distance YMMV . At 9ft. on the 60f5300 here for *me it's no issue at all
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but I would still agree that the pentile screen is LESS of an issue than the 'blacks' offered by the lg's. unless you're comfortable doing the tweaks to get good black levels from the lg plasmas, you might as well buy an IPS lcd imo.
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but I would still agree that the pentile screen is LESS of an issue than the 'blacks' offered by the lg's. unless you're comfortable doing the tweaks to get good black levels from the lg plasmas, you might as well buy an IPS lcd imo.
On that note, from what i'm gathering from some of the LCD threads is that the IPS panels have better viewing angles but poorer black levels, while the VA panels have better black levels but poorer viewing angles. Pick your poison?




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but I would still agree that the pentile screen is LESS of an issue than the 'blacks' offered by the lg's. unless you're comfortable doing the tweaks to get good black levels from the lg plasmas, you might as well buy an IPS lcd imo.
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On that note, from what i'm gathering from some of the LCD threads is that the IPS panels have better viewing angles but poorer black levels, while the VA panels have better black levels but poorer viewing angles. Pick your poison?


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I have the LG 60PB6600. I would say the LG plasmas on blacks (~0.04-0.05 cd/m2) would fair similarly to an average (as opposed to great) VA panel, but a lot better than an IPS. Just comparing it to my LG IPS monitor (0.12 cd/m2 blacks/888:1 contrast ratio, LG TVs perform similary), it is far superior. I did do the tweaks to my set to resolve the blacks on dark, dimly lit scenes (very low APL) when viewed in a dark room. The tweaks do make a huge improvement and the blacks look bezel black for most situations now. For 90% of what I watch, the blacks are not an issue without the tweaks.
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I have the LG 60PB6600. I would say the LG plasmas on blacks (~0.04-0.05 cd/m2) would fair similarly to an average (as opposed to great) VA panel, but a lot better than an IPS. Just comparing it to my LG IPS monitor (0.12 cd/m2 blacks/888:1 contrast ratio, LG TVs perform similary), it is far superior. I did do the tweaks to my set to resolve the blacks on dark, dimly lit scenes (very low APL) when viewed in a dark room. The tweaks do make a huge improvement and the blacks look bezel black for most situations now. For 90% of what I watch, the blacks are not an issue without the tweaks.
Wow. Did you do the measurement yourself? Televisioninfo talked smack about the 2014 LG plasmas not even beating the CRT ANSI, but apparantly that was simply not true. Thanks for sharing.

May I ask what you're currently getting with the black tweak? I did not have any measuring tool when tweaking my LG PT350, but I do know it had hideous default black level, around that of IPSs. (0.12 cd/m2) Tweaked, it FINALLY blew away the VA panels, and reached around Samsung D series black level.
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Wow. Did you do the measurement yourself? Televisioninfo talked smack about the 2014 LG plasmas not even beating the CRT ANSI, but apparantly that was simply not true. Thanks for sharing.

May I ask what you're currently getting with the black tweak? I did not have any measuring tool when tweaking my LG PT350, but I do know it had hideous default black level, around that of IPSs. (0.12 cd/m2) Tweaked, it FINALLY blew away the VA panels, and reached around Samsung D series black level.
I did not have a way of measuring it before I did the tweak, but I did compare it to my LG LED IPS which has published data. The lowest my IPS goes is 0.12 cd/m2 (my settings: 0.14 cd/m2 black/881:1 CR) and the blacks/contrast ratio were tremendously better on the plasma without the tweak. Basically, on very brightly lit scenes (high APL), the IPS blacks are still grey while they are black on my Plasma. The Plasma's blacks start to look poor when watching low APL sequences like in Dark Knight. That's why I went ahead with the tweak. I'll try and do some measurements (post tweak) this weekend.

I don't know how accurate the results at Televisioninfo are from the 2013 LG reviews. The PA6500 and PN5300 are the same model:

LG 60PN5300 (panel #PDP60R5000 ) PCMAG: 0.0449 cd/m2 3,028:1 CR
LG 50PA6500 (panel #PDP50R5000 ) Televisioninfo: 0.15 cd/m2 796:1 CR
LG 60PH6700 (panel #PDP60R5000 ) CNET: 0.0445 cd/m2

It's possible that the 60" has a better power supply and the 50" can't handle setting the black levels as low. (I turned SET_UP/SET_DOWN fully clock-wise without any issues.) But this is just pure speculation.

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I have the LG 60PB6600. I would say the LG plasmas on blacks (~0.04-0.05 cd/m2) would fair similarly to an average (as opposed to great) VA panel, but a lot better than an IPS. Just comparing it to my LG IPS monitor (0.12 cd/m2 blacks/888:1 contrast ratio, LG TVs perform similary), it is far superior. I did do the tweaks to my set to resolve the blacks on dark, dimly lit scenes (very low APL) when viewed in a dark room. The tweaks do make a huge improvement and the blacks look bezel black for most situations now. For 90% of what I watch, the blacks are not an issue without the tweaks.
yeah you're right. I guess a got a bit carried away. was just getting at the whole point of buying a plasma right now is to get great black levels, and the lg's don't really have that. like you said, it's pretty 'typical' of a VA panel lcd. so if not for the black levels, the only thing left is viewing angle, in which case an IPS panel might suffice(even though it'll have even worse blacks)

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Not overstating anything and since when do you need to be an owner to comment ? This isn't an owners thread last time I checked. As far as the mll rise it has been well documented by calibrators and some owners. The only people that claim deeper blacks don't own meters . Oh yeah there is one guy who has measured it but he claims "the dot moved" in the calibration software hardly scientific. For me it was the main reason I went with a floor model vt60 over the f8500. The blacks float on all the 2013 Samsung models. Some people don't care some do.

The h5000 has been measured at .0016 by David Mackenzie . For me the lack of an ar filter would be a deal breaker .
I think it would serve you better to actually own the F8500

if absolute black level is your major criteria...then yes you would have bought the Vt/ZT60

if best all around performance including bright broom performance and sharpness are important to you...then the F8500 is the clear winner

If you are a big sports watcher...the F8500 is a gem .

I own the ST50 and ST60 as well.FYI

OTOH the H5000 is a nice set for the price. I have seen it for $1097 at Fry's

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I have the LG 60PB6600. I would say the LG plasmas on blacks (~0.04-0.05 cd/m2) would fair similarly to an average (as opposed to great) VA panel, but a lot better than an IPS. Just comparing it to my LG IPS monitor (0.12 cd/m2 blacks/888:1 contrast ratio, LG TVs perform similary), it is far superior. I did do the tweaks to my set to resolve the blacks on dark, dimly lit scenes (very low APL) when viewed in a dark room. The tweaks do make a huge improvement and the blacks look bezel black for most situations now. For 90% of what I watch, the blacks are not an issue without the tweaks.
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Wow. Did you do the measurement yourself? Televisioninfo talked smack about the 2014 LG plasmas not even beating the CRT ANSI, but apparantly that was simply not true. Thanks for sharing.

May I ask what you're currently getting with the black tweak? I did not have any measuring tool when tweaking my LG PT350, but I do know it had hideous default black level, around that of IPSs. (0.12 cd/m2) Tweaked, it FINALLY blew away the VA panels, and reached around Samsung D series black level.
Keep in mind that you are talking about a TV that can be bought for $599( for a 60" at Microcenter))

for the money..IMO...you can do no better

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I have the panny ST60 and have no complaints what so ever. It's a phenomonal tv.
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Keep in mind that you are talking about a TV that can be bought for $599( for a 60" at Microcenter))

for the money..IMO...you can do no better
60F5300 goes on sale for around there. I got mine for $550 after using a cashback site.
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60F5300 goes on sale for around there. I got mine for $550 after using a cashback site.
and using such sites makes the LG even lower.....Dell had a deal recently...with a gift card back that made the LG around $450

I was talking a straight purchase price that is readily available


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