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Panasonic TC-P60VT60 New or 4k LED?

I'm finally in the market to purchase a new tv (42" pioneer plasma replacement from 2007) and have been looking at the Samsung plasma sets. They look good, but I feel the 4k LED's on the market are pretty good as well and lower priced. We are close to going with the Sony XBR65X850B however an interesting offer popped up from a neighbor. He has a Panasonic TC-P60VT60 that is brand new in box. He got this for his parents and they ended up passing and he never got around to selling it. He offered it to me for $2k. I've read nothing but positive reviews on Panasonic Plasmas but would like to get the opinion of anyone who has spent some time comparing 4k sets to Plasmas or that has moved from a plasma to a 4k LED set.

are you happy with the picture and black levels on a 4k set?

I'd love to get the panasonic, but don't want to be in a situation of irrelevancy in short time due to 4k.

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Why do you think the VT60 would be irrelevant due to 4K? Do you have 4K content/sources or expect to have it sometime in the near or distant future?

At the VE HDTV Shootout, the Samsung F8500 Plasma beat all the UHD LCD TVs on 1080i content, and the VT60 performs similarly to the F8500.
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...If it was the Samsung F8500 that wiped out ALL the 4K LCDs at the US shootout, it was the Panasonic ZT60 that wiped out ALL the 4K LCDs at the UK shootout. Contrary to what others at the LCD forum have said, not even a FALD Sony could stand against the F8500 at the shootout. I'm an owner of the lowly Panasonic S60, and even I find my plasma more satisfactory than the Sharp Elite when it comes to movies.

Just because you choose the VT60 does not mean you won't join in the 4K fun. I've been running 4K videos on my Panasonic S60, and it's still an incredible experience over the current BD. Downscaling works wonders and with a plasma contrast ratio advantage, your 4K movies will actually look better than those 4K LCDs. S~ure, those 4K demos being played in the showroom is impressive, but I doubt even official 4K movies will look just as good. 4K TVs are extremely bitrate sensitive so you better be ready to feed a premium source which is going to remain scarce.
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yes buy the vt60 if you still can.


snap up that vt60 and don't even think twice. there's nothing on the market that can match it for that price, period. I wouldn't argue with somebody claiming nothing at any price could match it either. you have to remember, '4k' does nothing to fix the problems lcd's tend to have. unless the ONLY problem you have with lcd is it looks blurry and you see pixel structure, a UHD lcd will be of no benefit to you over a plasma. it won't fix black levels, or contrast, or viewing angles, or motion...

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$2000 is a bit high for the 60" model to be honest. The 65VT60 was going for under $2000 earlier in the year. Also, you won't get a warranty because you are not the original owner. Offer him $1500-1600 and see what he says.
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yes buy the vt60 if you still can.


snap up that vt60 and don't even think twice. there's nothing on the market that can match it for that price, period. I wouldn't argue with somebody claiming nothing at any price could match it either. you have to remember, '4k' does nothing to fix the problems lcd's tend to have. unless the ONLY problem you have with lcd is it looks blurry and you see pixel structure, a UHD lcd will be of no benefit to you over a plasma. it won't fix black levels, or contrast, or viewing angles, or motion...
I took a walk through Paul's TV and Magnolia today to take a real good look at the UHD units and agree. The blacks are just washed out and watching a sample hockey & football clip was not up to par with my current Plasma! They both were pushing the Samsung and in store it definitely out performed the Sony & Samsung 4k sets. Wife loves the 4k curved units because 'they look so much better than plasma' so I'm working against this as well.

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$2000 is a bit high for the 60" model to be honest. The 65VT60 was going for under $2000 earlier in the year. Also, you won't get a warranty because you are not the original owner. Offer him $1500-1600 and see what he says.
Thank you for this. I had no idea on pricing. If I can get this sub 2k I think it diffuses any objection to this and my strict plasma house can stay that way for a little while longer.

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I guess it depends on the market, 2k would have only got me a 60" st60 after taxes here. so getting a vt60 for 2k right now seems like more than fair imo.


I think you're better off using the f8500 pricing as a comparison, as that's basically your only other option right now. I'm not sure if you can, but I don't think I'd be able to find a 60" f8500 for under 2k all said and done.


by all means, haggle if you want, but don't insult him if he's a friend either. he may be taking a big hit at 2k already.

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Well no haggle necessary - $1500 cash got it done and it's now hooked up and I'm floored by the quality. This will tide me over until the OLEDs come down in price or whatever the next big thing is.

Moving from a 720p to a 1080p was a big enough jump that to my eyes at 10' its as good as the 4k resolution, nextflix looked great!

Thanks for your feedback everyone in this house is happy with the purchase.

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Well no haggle necessary - $1500 cash got it done and it's now hooked up and I'm floored by the quality. This will tide me over until the OLEDs come down in price or whatever the next big thing is.

Moving from a 720p to a 1080p was a big enough jump that to my eyes at 10' its as good as the 4k resolution, nextflix looked great!

Thanks for your feedback everyone in this house is happy with the purchase.

Congrats and IMO you made the right decision the VT60 is an outstanding set, if you have any questions about it I would be more than happy to answer have had the 65" since Feb. and love it !

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Well no haggle necessary - $1500 cash got it done and it's now hooked up and I'm floored by the quality. This will tide me over until the OLEDs come down in price or whatever the next big thing is.

Moving from a 720p to a 1080p was a big enough jump that to my eyes at 10' its as good as the 4k resolution, nextflix looked great!

Thanks for your feedback everyone in this house is happy with the purchase.
Killer Tv and a fantastic price!! Enjoy.
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Well no haggle necessary - $1500 cash got it done and it's now hooked up and I'm floored by the quality. This will tide me over until the OLEDs come down in price or whatever the next big thing is.

Moving from a 720p to a 1080p was a big enough jump that to my eyes at 10' its as good as the 4k resolution, nextflix looked great!

Thanks for your feedback everyone in this house is happy with the purchase.
awesome deal


and good 1080p will always beat out mediocre 4k. so don't even second guess that part!

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Yes, you definitely made the right move. The VT60 is a reference display, and many would kill to get a new one this late in the game -- let alone a new one at $1500!
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and good 1080p will always beat out mediocre 4k. so don't even second guess that part!
For motion tests, the current 4K LCD panels get around 900 lines (the best is 1200 lines) while the VT60 according to CNET resolves 1200 lines.

Also, there's also only one professional digital cinema camera, the Sony F65, that actually can resolve 4K when shooting a test chart (it is advertised as 8K):

http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/...a-resolutions/
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For motion tests, the current 4K LCD panels get around 900 lines (the best is 1200 lines) while the VT60 according to CNET resolves 1200 lines.

Also, there's also only one professional digital cinema camera, the Sony F65, that actually can resolve 4K when shooting a test chart (it is advertised as 8K):

http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/...a-resolutions/
I have no idea what the point of this is? are you agreeing with me?

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I have no idea what the point of this is? are you agreeing with me?
Yes. Just adding that the technology to display/acquire 4K content is not 100% there yet. (Apart from possibly a strobe-backlight 4K LCD for display and VistaVision or larger film format or a Sony F65 for acquisition.)
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For the record very few 65" VT60s went for under $2K - I don't recall the numbers or price but I think it was just under and it was Brandsmart or another Southeast based merchant and a few people were able to get price matches. It ran for a day or so.

The last significant batch of those sets was at Amazon and they blew through 1000 units at around $2300ish (which was still a very significant discount from MSRP and most retailers). The displays left today are going for a multiple of that by someone hoping to gouge and it's probably worked for them as I see far fewer units available at even gouge prices.

$2000 for a 60" in today's market is great. The fact that you did it for $1500 - fantastic. Do it all day long at that price.

There is a reason most 4K displays are at isle endcaps where you can walk right next to them and not on the wall to compare to other displays. In addition to being fed a proprietary native source, the human eye needs to be close to resolve such detail. They want you right next to the display to "wow" you, they don't want you 8-10' or even 6' back. They certainly don't want you 8' back with a far cheaper display looking as good right next to it.

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Well no haggle necessary - $1500 cash got it done and it's now hooked up and I'm floored by the quality. This will tide me over until the OLEDs come down in price or whatever the next big thing is.

Moving from a 720p to a 1080p was a big enough jump that to my eyes at 10' its as good as the 4k resolution, nextflix looked great!

Thanks for your feedback everyone in this house is happy with the purchase.
I am jealous. You made the right decision. No question.
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$2000 is a bit high for the 60" model to be honest. The 65VT60 was going for under $2000 earlier in the year. Also, you won't get a warranty because you are not the original owner. Offer him $1500-1600 and see what he says.
Can you please provide me a link to 60VT60 NIB for $2000?
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Brandsmart was selling the 60" VT60 for ~ $1650 back in January. Best Buy and Amazon were selling the 65" for ~ 2K in January. I suspect those prices are nowhere near representative of the price paid for most VT60's that were sold.

Considering some of the ridiculous gouging taking place on the few remaining new sets that are available right now, you got a good/great deal. The only downside is no warranty coverage. Perhaps your neighbor would be wiling to file a claim on your behalf during the manufacturer's warranty period.
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Can you please provide me a link to 60VT60 NIB for $2000?
you forget that some ppl have time machines and can go back months, even years to get products on sale. the rest of us are unfortunately forced to look at current market prices and options

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Guys - why oh why is this technology dying so soon?

This set is amazing - I had no intention of using it for the xbox but had to give it a go, wow just wow, I felt I was part of the race. I'm going to be on the hunt for a backup to this one haha!

I've only done some minor adjustments ootb, so will be interested to see the difference post calibration. This display is larger than the pioneer it's replacing but looking at the energy draw it's a good drop less than the 42"? I'm impressed.

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Brandsmart was selling the 60" VT60 for ~ $1650 back in January. Best Buy and Amazon were selling the 65" for ~ 2K in January. I suspect those prices are nowhere near representative of the price paid for most VT60's that were sold.

Considering some of the ridiculous gouging taking place on the few remaining new sets that are available right now, you got a good/great deal. The only downside is no warranty coverage. Perhaps your neighbor would be wiling to file a claim on your behalf during the manufacturer's warranty period.
That's what I would do. If it is your neighbor, just bring the TV to his house for a warranty call depending if it is still under warranty.

Or a receipt would be good as well. I sold one of my TV's to someone through Craig's List. Told him if something goes wrong bring the TV to my house and I will file the claim. Anyway, the TV broke (not surprised, it was a Sasmung LOL) and I was out of town. I sent him an electronic copy of my receipt and he was able to file the claim as the originally owner, no questions asked as long as he had the original receipt.

Anyway, good choice on the TV. The decision should not have been whether or not to get a 4K TV, the question was either and LED or Plasma and Plasma wins all day, every day! The resolution is so irrelevant at this time and at these sizes.
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I found a 60" VT60 with @80 hours on it on Ebay. It was local pick up only and happened to be from a local retailer that sells open box tvs. The problem with it is it has a small scratch @1 inch on the left hand side of the screen, another very small scratch right next to it and one dead pixel @6 inches to the right of the scratch. While watching tv and not looking for the scratch I don't notice it at all. If that part of the screen is all the same color, like while watching golf, I will notice it but it doesn't bother me much at @10' seating distance. The stuck/dead pixel is not noticeable at all at normal viewing distances.

Anyway, I got it for $895! I have been running the break in slides and can't wait to get it mounted and try out D-nice's settings. I have played around with the settings a bit and all I can say is WOW! This is an incredible tv. I am kicking myself for not buying two 65inch models when Amazon had them on sale that one day. I had them in my cart but I didn't pull the trigger on time. At least now I have a 60" version with some minor flaws that I hope I can learn to live with. So far I think I will be able to!
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I just finished plugging in D-nice's most recent settings and it looks absolutely incredible! I just watched a few minutes of a Red Sox game, yes they suck this year, and a few minutes of Nascar at night. This is without a doubt the best tv I have ever watched!
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This set is amazing - I had no intention of using it for the xbox but had to give it a go, wow just wow, I felt I was part of the race. I'm going to be on the hunt for a backup to this one haha!
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