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The 5300 is a mirror

My Lawd superb price but you need to watch this thing in a dark hole ..

Why make a TV like this ???
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My Lawd superb price but you need to watch this thing in a dark hole ..

Why make a TV like this ???
Some of us like dark holes.
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Because you're not supposed to watch movies in a bright room.

Also, you never had a CRT tube TV? Maybe because I had a tube for so long, but it doesn't bother me when it is day and some sun leaks into the room.
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How bout sports? or the news? dark room? lol come on dude , this TV should only be bought as a niche secondary TV for a basement ..or a closet
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How bout sports? or the news? dark room? lol come on dude , this TV should only be bought as a niche secondary TV for a basement ..or a closet
Didn't you just start a thread yesterday on which TV to get? Did you actually buy an F5300 since yesterday and have it in your home?

Just curious why this new thread a day after asking which one and why you didn't just continue the conversation in that one.
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I find the actual screen reflections less annoying than exaggerated descriptions of the screen reflections.
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Agreed. Show me a TV you can't see reflected light in and I'll show you a real live unicorn. I dunno, I have had plasma TV's in multiple sunny houses with lots of windows and just don't have a problem. Anyone who does have a problem really needs to reconsider their layout. It's not that difficult.
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How bout sports? or the news? dark room? lol come on dude , this TV should only be bought as a niche secondary TV for a basement ..or a closet
Didn't you just start a thread yesterday on which TV to get? Did you actually buy an F5300 since yesterday and have it in your home?

Just curious why this new thread a day after asking which one and why you didn't just continue the conversation in that one.
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No I didn't ?

I went to BB and this TV was by far the worst reflection wise.
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Maybe you should go to their soundroom and buy the speakers that sound the best there, too.
And on your way out, make sure you get high quality Monster cables to hook everything up.

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No I didn't ?

I went to BB and this TV was by far the worst reflection wise.
Are your lights at home the same setup as Best Buy?
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Agreed. Show me a TV you can't see reflected light in and I'll show you a real live unicorn. I dunno, I have had plasma TV's in multiple sunny houses with lots of windows and just don't have a problem. Anyone who does have a problem really needs to reconsider their layout. It's not that difficult.
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No I didn't ?

I went to BB and this TV was by far the worst reflection wise.
Which Best Buy? I haven't seen a plasma on display in store at a BB in a very long time.

I'd like to call the store you went to and see if they have any sets on display. If they do and it's not too far away from me I might go check them out.
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...I went to BB and this TV was by far the worst reflection wise.
This should not be surprsing to you as it's well known the F5300 does not have an Anti-Reflective Filter, And as such it's no more reflective than any other TV that does not have an Anti-Reflective coating, including most of the LED LCD TVs which are equally mirror-like. It's been this way for years on all the low end Samsung and Panasonic Plasmas, but also on lots of high-end top-of-the-line LCD TVs as well.

For that matter, Even my own 55ST60 is fairly mirror-like on dark content when my room is bright, even with it's AR Filter.

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A) that's why they made the f8500. you gotta pay to play

B) if they didn't make the f5300, so many ppl would be upset that the only tv they can buy costs over 2grand and complain that samsung was dumb not to make a lower priced tv with similar picture quality minus the filter and smart features...

C) if the dumbass consumers didn't abandone plasma, not only would you still have the f5500 to choose from, there'd also be an f6500, f7500, and ten others from panasonic to choose from, so you could easily find the tv that meets your specific needs and budget.


that all being said, i think you'd be hard pressed to find a sub-800 dollar tv that doesn't have terrible reflections, or terrible viewing angles, or terrible blacks/contrast. of the 3, reflections is the only thing you can control and improve.

but hey, if you want to pay more, i just finished calibrated a buddy's LG LED he just bought for 1200bux(a price he was only given if he also bought the 250dollar extended warranty ), and in the dimly lit room it's reflections were... well...



but hey, that tv was only twice the price, and half the contrast(double the MLL) of the 5" larger 60F5300. so yeah, i'm not sure why ppl think the f5300 is such a great value

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Not many tv's look nice or are reflection free with 10,000 watts of fluorescent and halogen lighting above them in a warehouse style building.

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I find the actual screen reflections less annoying than exaggerated descriptions of the screen reflections.
this is very true God why can't all people just realized that tvs are always going to be reflective what's up also put blinds , move the TV In a least reflective area.

ALSO f5300 is a budget TV. No ar filters
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Not sure why so many people are trying to convince the unconvincable.

My advice? Go eat LCD mud pie already.
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Not many tv's look nice or are reflection free with 10,000 watts of fluorescent and halogen lighting above them in a warehouse style building.
BUT You can use that set up to ascertain which TV is the least reflective because they're all being equally bombarded.
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this is very true God why can't all people just realized that tvs are always going to be reflective what's up also put blinds , move the TV In a least reflective area.

ALSO f5300 is a budget TV. No ar filters
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So we're starting new threads just to throw out silly comments huh?
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BUT You can use that set up to ascertain which TV is the least reflective because they're all being equally bombarded.
In a bright showroom the screens with the brightest images are going to appear less reflective than those with darker images, so LCDs in torch mode are going to appear less reflective than plasmas (except for the 8500) because they're so much brighter. The equation changes in a typically lit home environment with torch mode off and best picture images dialed in.
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In a bright showroom the screens with the brightest images are going to appear less reflective than those with darker images, so LCDs in torch mode are going to appear less reflective than plasmas (except for the 8500) because they're so much brighter. The equation changes in a typically lit home environment with torch mode off and best picture images dialed in.
I was suggesting that you could compare one dull Plasma to another dull Plasma that way...
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In fairness, and this is coming from a plasma fan and ex KURO owner, the 5300/5000 plasmas from Samsung are pretty reflective and I could see people having an issue with them in rooms with any light at all. Im all about watching movies at night with proper room lighting but reality says there will be times when we want to watch a movie in the afternoon or whenever. Especially this time of year with extra time off from work. We plan on blowing through a bunch of movies over the next few weeks!

These lower end plasmas have HORRIFIC glare and thats a fact. Ive seen the 5300 in a store that did NOT have brutal lighting and it still seemed pretty reflective.

Not saying they are bad TVs - far from it. Heck, Im still considering a PN64H5000 instead of my curent XBR 65" 4K LED but the glare is a big concern.

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I have one of the 60F5300B sets, and it is a fair bit more reflective than the PN50B560 set I had prior. First, it is 10" larger and provides more angles to catch and reflect room lighting. Second, as everyone points out, it has no filter (whereas my 2009 plasma did). If the set is turned off, it does give us a nice panoramic mirrored view of our living room.

We of course set it up in the exact same spot as the old one. The larger screen reflects a table lamp directly behind the sofa we watch from, whereas the earlier 50" wasn't tall enough to do that (unless I sat on the floor). The room has two other large, shaded floor lamps but they are in corners to the side of the TV and are only indirectly reflected = not enough for us to notice much or care.

When I'm serious about the content, I turn the light behind the sofa off, which gives us pretty much the same viewing environment we had with the old set. I may end up moving that lamp to a corner that's outside of the available viewing angles.

Screen size for us is much bigger than we had, enough so that content with lots of action really seems to pull us in with it. Wasn't expecting that but am pleasantly surprised.

Oh, seeing these F5300 units in the retail settings like BestBuy.... We visited our local BB to do just that. They had the 60" out, surrounded by a bunch of LED sets, some even bigger. It looked terrible in that setting. Dim, with fuzzy SD content, and reflective of everything in front. But anyone that knows plasma realizes that is what BB is going to show.

It's a simple thing. If you love plasma but not any reflections and want to minimize them, buy yourself something in the 8500 series with its nice filters. You'll pay double or more for the same panel size, and you may have to put up with a buzz artifact that is common when plasmas are cranked up really bright. I can say that at least our F5300 here is extremely quiet. I can't hear any buzz, though I can hear buzzing from a fluorescent spiral eco-bulb in a lamp nearby.

Another thing -- maybe off-topic-- is the F5300 is relatively cool to the touch. The bias lighting strip I had on my Samsung 560 kept falling off because the adhesive couldn't handle the hot rear cover. I have the same strip on this new F5300 and it hasn't budged once. That rear cover is cool to the touch.
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In fairness, and this is coming from a plasma fan and ex KURO owner, the 5300/5000 plasmas from Samsung are pretty reflective and I could see people having an issue with them in rooms with any light at all. Im all about watching movies at night with proper room lighting but reality says there will be times when we want to watch a movie in the afternoon or whenever. Especially this time of year with extra time off from work. We plan on blowing through a bunch of movies over the next few weeks!

These lower end plasmas have HORRIFIC glare and thats a fact. Ive seen the 5300 in a store that did NOT have brutal lighting and it still seemed pretty reflective.

Not saying they are bad TVs - far from it. Heck, Im still considering a PN64H5000 instead of my curent XBR 65" 4K LED but the glare is a big concern.
i agree, but the question still remains of where do you find a better tv for 600bux?

the problem is ppl who are willing to spend 800-1300 for a great plasma no longer have that opportunity. they can buy the entry level f5300 or the reference quality f8500. i'm sure that a f7500 or even f6500 could have easily been a tv with similar qualities of the f5300 but with a screen filter of some kind to help with reflections.

so while i think it's totally fair to call out the f5300 for being reflective, it's not at all fair to say it's not an excellent value or doesn't have a place in the market. it's just unfortunate that plasma is so hated that there's not enough support for a full line. there's a huge gap in price and bright room performance between the f8500 and the 'next best'
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....so while i think it's totally fair to call out the f5300 for being reflective, it's not at all fair to say it's not an excellent value or doesn't have a place in the market....
Let me throw some extra personal perspective on this ... I wouldn't have an F5300 (or any other new plasma that you can still buy) if my PN50B560 hadn't failed after five-and-a-half years of flawless service. This isn't a great time to be in the market for a plasma, given the limited choices, but it also doesn't help if you are a plasma fan that until a few days ago didn't plan on buying a new TV at all. Having spent close to $1200 back in 2009 for that first Samsung, I'm not willing to fork out much $$$ again for this technology. Even though the technology is touted as good for literally decades of maintenance-free service, who or what percentage of owners actually get that much out of a set? So, the technology I like, the manufacturers I do not. If they plan to continue with their blurbs about years of trouble-free service and reliability, blah blah blah, start offering 5-10 year warranties and have the parts inventory to back that up.

For me, this F5300 is the interim "fix" until OLED comes down to earth. I'm very happy I got it for the price I did, and I almost bought the F8500 at double the price, but my doubts about the quality [edit ... I mean reliability] of these products compelled me to shop the bottom of the line.
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I have 3 51" Samsung plasmas, and yes, they are reflective if you shine a light directly at them, as they are covered in smooth glass, but they are also the 3 best looking sets Ive ever owned.

I wouldnt trade them for anything else available right now.
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i agree, but the question still remains of where do you find a better tv for 600bux?

the problem is ppl who are willing to spend 800-1300 for a great plasma no longer have that opportunity. they can buy the entry level f5300 or the reference quality f8500. i'm sure that a f7500 or even f6500 could have easily been a tv with similar qualities of the f5300 but with a screen filter of some kind to help with reflections.

so while i think it's totally fair to call out the f5300 for being reflective, it's not at all fair to say it's not an excellent value or doesn't have a place in the market. it's just unfortunate that plasma is so hated that there's not enough support for a full line. there's a huge gap in price and bright room performance between the f8500 and the 'next best'
It's a great value and solid performer. Like I said, I am still contemplating trying out a 5000 for a week and if it works I'll return my XBR LED. I was only pointing out that it's not very realistic to expect people to always be watching their TVs in absolute pitch black viewing environments. What about Sunday afternoon football, for example? Especially in early season when it's plenty sunny until 7pm at night?

I am personally pissed that plasma has been killed. I would so rather have the option versus being basically stuck with just LCDs.

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