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Cracked plasma TV display - suggestions for new TV?

So my worst TV fear has come true - my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma TV display was cracked and now I am forced to replace it, likely with a LED. Can anyone provide a solid recommendation for a plasma lover? Looking at a screen size around 50". Thanks.
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So my worst TV fear has come true - my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma TV display was cracked and now I am forced to replace it, likely with a LED.
What model number is your Panasonic? Because some of the current LCD TVs (there is no such thing as an LED by the way) outperform the older Panasonic Plasmas, and look almost as good as their later Plasmas. My Sony W800B kicks my PX50U and G10's butt, and comes really close to my ST60.


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Can anyone provide a solid recommendation for a plasma lover? Looking at a screen size around 50". Thanks.
I auditioned a lot of LCD TVs to replace my Panny 55ST60 and picked the Sony KDL-55W800B (2014 model). I got it looking almost the same as my ST60, but it does come up a little short on contrast ratio and shadow detail, and as with most LCD TVs it has a narrow viewing angle. I'm a plasma lover, but this W800B is probably 95% as good as my ST60 overall. I was very surprised, but glad.

The current model is the W800C series, and the 50 incher is like $799 at BB last time i checked.

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Try and grab a Samsung 5300 or LG 6650.
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What model number is your Panasonic? Because some of the current LCD TVs (there is no such thing as an LED by the way) outperform the older Panasonic Plasmas, and look almost as good as their later Plasmas. My Sony W800B kicks my PX50U and G10's butt, and comes really close to my ST60.




I auditioned a lot of LCD TVs to replace my Panny 55ST60 and picked the Sony KDL-55W800B (2014 model). I got it looking almost the same as my ST60, but it does come up a little short on contrast ratio and shadow detail, and as with most LCD TVs it has a narrow viewing angle. I'm a plasma lover, but this W800B is probably 95% as good as my ST60 overall. I was very surprised, but glad.

The current model is the W800C series, and the 50 incher is like $799 at BB last time i checked.


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So my worst TV fear has come true - my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma TV display was cracked and now I am forced to replace it, likely with a LED. Can anyone provide a solid recommendation for a plasma lover? Looking at a screen size around 50". Thanks.

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What model number is your Panasonic? Because some of the current LCD TVs (there is no such thing as an LED by the way) outperform the older Panasonic Plasmas, and look almost as good as their later Plasmas. My Sony W800B kicks my PX50U and G10's butt, and comes really close to my ST60.




I auditioned a lot of LCD TVs to replace my Panny 55ST60 and picked the Sony KDL-55W800B (2014 model). I got it looking almost the same as my ST60, but it does come up a little short on contrast ratio and shadow detail, and as with most LCD TVs it has a narrow viewing angle. I'm a plasma lover, but this W800B is probably 95% as good as my ST60 overall. I was very surprised, but glad.

The current model is the W800C series, and the 50 incher is like $799 at BB last time i checked.

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Quite.

Read the first post on page 3 of this thread:
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Quite.

Read the first post on page 3 of this thread:
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My browser only has two pages (my page settings must be different than yours).

Which post # are you referring to?

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Quite.

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My browser only has two pages (my page settings must be different than yours).

Which post # are you referring to?
Post number 61 on page 3.
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Post number 61 on page 3.
On my browser #61 is the 21st post on page 2

I also have a GT50 and my W800B black levels are about the same as well (i briefly had them side-by-side in my man-room fed by a 1x2 HDMI splitter). The 2012 Panasonic Plasma lineup (UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50) was widely reported here to have a somewhat soft/less detailed picture compared to previous models and the 2013 models, and my GT50 is definitely softer than my 2013 ST60 and Sony W800B (both these TVs are considerably sharper and crisper and look a lot better). This softness and lack of detail is my only big complaint about my GT50, and is the sole reason why i've taken it out of service and am planning to sell it. I've also seen it on various friend's 2012 Panasonics. It's softer than my 2007 PZ700U and 2009 G10 too. I added a Darby Darblet to my GT50 and that helped a lot, but it's still the softest TV i own. Oddly, the wife prefers the softer picture so there's that.

LCDs have come a long way in the black level department, especially the ones with a VA panel (like your Sammy and my Sony) as long as one is sitting pretty much on-center. For two or three people on a couch the TV maintains it's contrast, but with 4 or 5 people on a couch the ones on the end will see a drop in CR as they're starting to get outside the sweet spot. Not an issue for my man room as i view it pretty much straight on. The LGs on the other hand use IPS panels and the black levels and contrast ratios are not as good as they are on VA panel TVs, but they have much wider viewing angles. Some other brands and models use IPS panels so this is important to know when choosing an LCD TV.




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I would say there's a 3-4 year gap between the best plasmas and the best LCDs...so yeah, I would say today's LCDs are a better choice than a 2003 plasma and that's not even accounting for the fact that the plasma is most likely 720p and the LCD today is a 1080p.
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I also have a GT50 and my W800B black levels are about the same as well (i briefly had them side-by-side in my man-room fed by a 1x2 HDMI splitter). The 2012 Panasonic Plasma lineup (UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50) was widely reported here to have a somewhat soft/less detailed picture compared to previous models and the 2013 models, and my GT50 is definitely softer than my 2013 ST60 and Sony W800B (both these TVs are considerably sharper and crisper and look a lot better). This softness and lack of detail is my only big complaint about my GT50, and is the sole reason why i've taken it out of service and am planning to sell it. ...

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Fortunately, my AVR has dual HDMI outputs. I've programmed my Harmony One to determine which display is turned on.

Sorry to hear of your bad luck with your GT50. Sounds as though you have a duff display, as I don't have that softness problem with my GT50.
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So my worst TV fear has come true - my 50" Panasonic Viera plasma TV display was cracked and now I am forced to replace it, likely with a LED. Can anyone provide a solid recommendation for a plasma lover? Looking at a screen size around 50". Thanks.
In general advise for folks like you is to check out OLED first before considering a LED LCd.
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W800B coming within 95% of the ST60? Don't sell your ST60 too short! LCDs have been regressing since the high point of the Samsung C series era with the introduction of PSA panel. I've seen the W800B/W850B too and it's beaten by my Samsung F4500, my LG plasma, and heck, my non-PSA Sony LCD I bought 6 years ago had better PQ than that. I would never put that LCD anywhere near the ST60 when I consider my non-PSA Sony LCD coming within 20% of my Panasonic S64.
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For two or three people on a couch the TV maintains it's contrast, but with 4 or 5 people on a couch the ones on the end will see a drop in CR as they're starting to get outside the sweet spot.
Randy, are you sure about that ? My brother-in-laws 2000 RPTV when you went 60-degrees off center (almost parallel to the TV) you thought someone flicked the DARK or CONTRAST settings all the way to Dim. On his 2007 Sharp Aquos it's much less pronounced but you do see the color of the NY Giants football uniforms go from rich blue to a lighter purpleish color.

Now...our Clubhouse has a 2012 or 2013 Vizio E-Series LCD. Dimming when watching off-center is minimal and you have to go like 80-90 degreees off-center.

I would think the 2014 or 2015 high-end LCDs show such minimal drop-off in color/contrast when viewing from off-center that nobody on a couch facing the TV should notice....IF...they are a regular viewer and not an AVS Forum afficionado.
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I also have a GT50 and my W800B black levels are about the same as well (i briefly had them side-by-side in my man-room fed by a 1x2 HDMI splitter). The 2012 Panasonic Plasma lineup (UT50, ST50, GT50, VT50) was widely reported here to have a somewhat soft/less detailed picture compared to previous models and the 2013 models, and my GT50 is definitely softer than my 2013 ST60 and Sony W800B (both these TVs are considerably sharper and crisper and look a lot better). This softness and lack of detail is my only big complaint about my GT50, and is the sole reason why i've taken it out of service and am planning to sell it. I've also seen it on various friend's 2012 Panasonics. It's softer than my 2007 PZ700U and 2009 G10 too. I added a Darby Darblet to my GT50 and that helped a lot, but it's still the softest TV i own. Oddly, the wife prefers the softer picture so there's that.
I wonder if it's a U.S. thing? As I've seen the VT50 alongside the 60 models and thought they all looked good. As I've never felt the VT50 was soft.
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If I were you , since your coming from a Plasma set, I would try and seek out a used plasma if that's even an option. ST60, VT60 or ZT60, F8500, that's if they are still around. Yes , LCD has been making inroads no doubt , Wider Color Gamut, HDR, etc. I am not quite sure what to recommend when it comes to an LCD. It will take some adjustment on your end if you do decide in buying LCD, narrower viewing angles, washed out colors off axis, clouding, halos, and so on.
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Fortunately, my AVR has dual HDMI outputs. I've programmed my Harmony One to determine which display is turned on.

Sorry to hear of your bad luck with your GT50. Sounds as though you have a duff display, as I don't have that softness problem with my GT50.
My GT50 isn't defective, it's simply that Panasonic screwed up on their scaler in the 2012 lineup and tons of people complained about the softness or "oil painting effect" in the various 2012 threads. It looks ok with 1080p Blu-Ray, but it looks a little worse with 1080i content, and pretty bad with 720p sources. Panasonic knows it but couldn't do anything about it, and they corrected it on the 2013 models.


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Panasonic 2012 Plasma "Oil Painting" Issue Thread

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A few weeks ago I got a PN51F8500 for $1372 out the door with free delivery from Best Buy. I did a lot of research to try and find the best deal and was surprised to find out it was at Best Buy. Most places/people have it $1400-1700 used and $2500 new. I ended up going on to the Samsung website and used the 'Search locally and online' thing where it will show you stores that may have it. I went to BB and had them search for it in their system; I was shocked when they told me the price. They ended up having to search across the country. I also got it for 0%, 24-month financing since I got the BB CC.

I am extremely happy with it. And the TV seems to only be getting better as I am getting more hours on it. I went last week and bought another one. I even have a bright room (I have 4 windows in the room around the TV- 2 on either side of the TV along the wall the TV is against and 2 on either side perpendicular to the screen) and it's no problem at all.
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