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(that's probably the only thing that movie is useful for).



Somebody please send eelton a copy of the Hulk!!!

(I don't have it).
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hahahaha....either way, it looks as tho the new pios are definitely better than the 5gs.
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Somebody please send eelton a copy of the Hulk!!!

(I don't have it).

That should be cheap, about 6 months ago they were selling that one for around $5.00.

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hahahaha....either way, it looks as tho the new pios are definitely better than the 5gs.

I don't think we've determined anything except that we're highly appreciative of eelton putting his observations out there for dissection.

I don't have the Hulk either. Nice rental, but...

The problem with judder, in my experience, is that not everyone is able to see it, for whatever reason. Kinda like with flicker. I swear I can see obvious flicker with some films/HDTV's when others swear they don't see a thing. No doubt we need Rich to get ahold of one of these panels. Can hardly wait.

Thanks again Eelton.


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I just checked the listings. The Sci Fi channel is showing The Incredible Hulk this morning.

Close, but no cigar.

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Oh, yeah, I also wanted to say that for me personally, I'm VERY interested to hear if there is a black level improvement in the 6g OVER the pio 5g's rather than comparing them to panny or fuji. Those comparisons will happen and will work themselves out. For the initial looks...I'm more interested in the level of improvement, if any, over the 5g's. Although I understand that Eelton had a fuji previously, so that's what he used for comparison. I'm just throwing in a request for the next round.


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The non-Elite does have this feature, and I have the 3:3 (advanced) turned off. It's on standard, which is 3:2 pulldown.

I wish I had a copy of the Hulk to watch the scene R. Harkness is referring to, but I don't (that's probably the only thing that movie is useful for).

The HQV Benchmark DVD has good tests for movement performance (and other things).

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Oh, yeah, I also wanted to say that for me personally, I'm VERY interested to hear if there is a black level improvement in the 6g OVER the pio 5g's rather than comparing them to panny or fuji. Those comparisons will happen and will work themselves out. For the initial looks...I'm more interested in the level of improvement, if any, over the 5g's. Although I understand that Eelton had a fuji previously, so that's what he used for comparison. I'm just throwing in a request for the next round.

Hopefully there will be someone before me.... though I'll be getting my 1130 delivered in 3-4 weeks and have had both 4th and 5th gen Pios.

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Hopefully there will be someone before me.... though I'll be getting my 1130 delivered in 3-4 weeks and have had both 4th and 5th gen Pios.

Now that's what I'm talkin' about.

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Yeah, as I've mentioned before in auditioning the Pioneer 5gen Elite plasmas - the judder just killed me...but it was even worse with the 3:3 engaged.
There's a scene in The Hulk that I often use to test judder - it's a shot wherein the camera dollys by a bunch of machinery, which is brutal for eliciting judder. It's not perfectly smooth on my Panasonic, but it's smooth enough not to be distracting. But on every Pioneer I've tested the judder has been significantly more pronounced and distracting (especially when the 3:3 was engaged).

I don't know why this is so, but that's what I keep seeing. I'll be bringing that scene to test out the new 6gen Pioneers.

Rich, I'm going to be shopping for a new plasma in the next week or two, and am considering the 5061, 1130 and the Panny 500u. Can you tell me what chapter or what time that scene is in the movie? I want to put the display's I look at through their paces, too.
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Can someone post a link to the BB site, I can not find the new Pioneers
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Guys...no retail links....check the sticky topic title in the forum rules topic at the top of the page.

Plus, can we keep this thread about reviews rather than where to buy and pricing...and the usual "which should I buy" questions? These threads always get crammed with that stuff, and it sucks.


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Can someone post a link to the BB site, I can not find the new Pioneers

No links to non-sponsor retail sites allowed here. Just go to BB, click on "televisions" on the left menu, then "flat panel", then "40" and up", then scroll down to the last two Pioneers listed.

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Hopefully there will be someone before me.... though I'll be getting my 1130 delivered in 3-4 weeks and have had both 4th and 5th gen Pios.

Hope you don't mind me asking, but what are the reasons that you are getting the elite vs. the normal consumer one? Other than the "better video processing"
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Hope you don't mind me asking, but what are the reasons that you are getting the elite vs. the normal consumer one? Other than the "better video processing"

You have some nerve asking that question!!

Just kidding.

Swivel base; much more flexible user adjustments including individual colors, extra video mode ("PURE" - remains to be seen what it is), 5 vs. 3 color temp modes, Active DRE, and separate day and night callibration modes; 2 yr. vs. 1 yr. warranty; possibly better quality control in the factory; resale value of the Elite name.

All this for only about $200-300 more than I could get the 5060 for right now. That gap will likely widen later but, for that small difference now, it is well worth it to me, even for the swivel, individual color controls, and extra warranty by themselves.

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Just visited the BB website. I visited another national chain this weekend that carries Elites only and they are selling the 1130 for $100 more than BB 5061. 1130s ship Oct 7 to this retailer. Not sure what the rules are about giving the name of this retailer but of I can..I will.
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Just visited the BB website. I visited another national chain this weekend that carries Elites only and they are selling the 1130 for $100 more than BB 5061. 1130s ship Oct 7 to this retailer. Not sure what the rules are about giving the name of this retailer but of I can..I will.


You can post the name, just not a link to their site. I'm very interested in knowing who it is.


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You have some nerve asking that question!!

Just kidding.

Swivel base; much more flexible user adjustments including individual colors, extra video mode ("PURE" - remains to be seen what it is), 5 vs. 3 color temp modes, Active DRE, and separate day and night callibration modes; 2 yr. vs. 1 yr. warranty; possibly better quality control in the factory; resale value of the Elite name.

All this for only about $200-300 more than I could get the 5060 for right now. That gap will likely widen later but, for that small difference now, it is well worth it to me, even for the swivel, individual color controls, and extra warranty by themselves.


Are you basing the $200-300 more for the 1130 on the price on best buys website? The 5060 can be had for much less at other authorized Internet dealers. I hope this doesn't conflict with forum rules, but I am purchasing this the 5060 or the 1130 this week and if I can get the 1130 for just a couple hundred more, that is well worth it.
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Ultimate Electronics. They didn't have a price posted but I was given the price per the computer system. They had 5 pre-sold here in Tulsa as of Sat morning. I also did not see the computer screen where it listed the 1130 but that was the panel I was asking about....I also don't believe Ultimate carries anything but the Elite line.
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The price was $100 more than what is shown on the BB website...when you include the other fee (handling?) they are virtually identical.
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You can post the name, just not a link to their site. I'm very interested in knowing who it is.

I wouldnt call ultimate a national chain... midwest is more like it.
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Are you basing the $200-300 more for the 1130 on the price on best buys website? The 5060 can be had for much less at other authorized Internet dealers. I hope this doesn't conflict with forum rules, but I am purchasing this the 5060 or the 1130 this week and if I can get the 1130 for just a couple hundred more, that is well worth it.

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Just had a very nice, long fairly detailed evalutation of the 6gen Pio Elite 50" model, right against the 5th Gen 50" model.

Gotta work...will try to get my impressions up soon.

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Just had a very nice, long fairly detailed evalutation of the 6gen Pio Elite 50" model, right against the 5th Gen 50" model.

Gotta work...will try to get my impressions up soon.

What a TEASE !!!

Hurry home from work now.

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Methinks he's yanking our chains.
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BB is willing to price match a TVA offer for the 5061(60). I live in the same state as TVA and therefore will not save on sales tax. Any compelling reason to chose one over the other for my purchase?

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I could certainly be wrong on this one, but I think TVA gives you a pixel perfect guarantee against any dead or stuck pixels, but I haven't ordered from them before.
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Gotta work...will try to get my impressions up soon.

Are you pulling a Captain Pike on us, Rich???
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Nope. Really did eval the 6Gen today. But I'm under an avalanche of work (partly because of taking time off to eval the Pioneer ). Will try and get back later today/tonight.

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Nope. Really did eval the 6Gen today. But I'm under an avalanche of work (partly because of taking time off to eval the Pioneer ). Will try and get back later today/tonight.

Give us some kind of hint!

I don't think I can wait without a teaser...


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