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Rich B,

I don't know all that I know, but I think that the loss-of-resolution issue applied only to the consumer sets, not the commercial panels. At least that was my impression from the Gary Merson articles. Your 657UY would not, then be affected. My question is regarding the new consumer sets, and whether they have the same stepdown issues as the PX50/PX500. I also want to know if the HDMI connections allow for the full 14-bit or 16-bit processing, as I believe that the 7 series HDMI blade did not while the 8 series blade does.

I appreciate all input and thank you!
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my guy here at panasonic who reviews all products before they go out, make sure they are up to spec and such, said if you were to put a gen 8 and gen 9 next to each other you can definitely tell the difference in picture quality and contrast but its not a HUGE jump.


I would agree with that description from my less than one day of viewing thus far. I can definitely tell a difference between the 50U and the 60U, and for me, it was well worth waiting for--but it's not "Oh, my God" dramatic. After all, the 50U series was already an excellent, top-rated plasma with superb picture quality. We are talking about significant, yet incremental improvements here. The major difference I'm seeing thus far is that I can now watch the TV during the day in a bright room (with floor-to-ceiling windows on two sides), whereas I could not do that before without closing the blinds. I tried changing from "standard" to "vivid" mode, and that made it even better, though it was totally watchable in "standard" mode. I also think the SD picture quality is a tad better, but if so, the improvement is subtle. When you couple these improvements with the major price drop between the 50U and 60U sets, to me it's a no-brainer.
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Looking at the brochure for the Viera line was intriguing.

Quote about the New Deep Black Filter:

"We reduced this filter's light transmittance, so you can enjoy clean, beautiful images with deeper, richer blacks.

We also applied an original anti-glare process to the filter surface, to suppress external glare and reflection."


So it does seem that the filter is purportedly one of the ways they lower black levels on the new design. Sounds dandy to me - being a black level fiend I'll take any increase in black level depth I can get.

I also note this:

"Higher efficiency achieved improving panel materials and enhancing rib and electrode shapes.....[snip]....these features combine to increase brightness."

What that seems to say, to me, is that they've likely expanded pixel size by reducing the rib (grid) between the pixels. That makes some sense, given the research that went into creating their 1080p models had a lot to do with creating a way of reducing
rib size, to accommodate the higher pixel density. The ED models were, until recently, brighter due to their bigger pixels (as I understand it). So reducing rib size, increasing pixel size (along with the new discharge system) likely increased brightness.

But, if this musing is correct, one nice benefit would likely be a better fill-factor in the new models. That is, a reduction in the visibility of the grid between the pixels, and hence less visible "screen door effect."

Again...just musing, could be wrong. I can't wait to see one of these things. (And it's driving me nuts that some people actually own them, e.g. those folks on the UK forum, and no one is really posting reviews yet).


So, I wonder if the rib size will be reduced on the ED model (if it is indeed reduced on the 60 series HDs)? What a mess this could cause!
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OK I bought 50PX600U at ABT. They expect them any time between end of this month anf begining of July. I just left deposit and I will patiently wait (patiently - yeah right )
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I thought the problem losing half the resolution was only with 1080i and not 720p, illustrated by the following:

1080i --> 540p --> 768p

720p --> 768p (no loss of resolution)

There were two issues. 1080i de-interlacing is discussed in this thread Tested and Failed: throwing away half the Resolution by Gary Merson .

The other was the Home Theater magazines review of the 500 where they measured the resolved lines for a 720P input signal in the low 300's.

The 600 series will have to be measured, but I would guess that if they can accept 1080P, they have probably improved the performance on 720P as well.

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Being in Canada, I've yet to see the 60u show up anywhere yet. I e-mail Panasonic Canada regarding release dates and I got this reply from them:

"Thank you for your e-mail. Please be advised that information regarding our
2006/07 product line-up will be released at the end of March/early April therefore we ask that you please check back with us at that time.

Sincerely,
Customer Care Centre
Panasonic Canada Inc."

Looks like we have a while to wait yet in Canada.
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FYI, my 60u will be delivered tomorrow between 10:00 and 2:00. I ordered on Friday March 10th through Panasonic. Now I gotta move this RPTV.
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From what I heard 600U speakers are more visible than on other models. On the other hand I found that picture on Panasonic site which suposely show 50PX600U. Is this correct picture? I don't see any speakers here....are they detachable?

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PX600...

Speakers are integrated into the sides of the Plasma.

Thus no speakers to add or delete.

I believe your picture is correct.

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That's actually the 50PX60U.

See the correct pictures here:

http://www.bruzzi.ws/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=99


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That's actually the 50PX60U.

See the correct pictures here:

http://www.bruzzi.ws/plasma-faq/showthread.php?t=99


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Thanks....that's not bad. I was really concerned because I'm not a big fan of big bezels but this one on your site look nice. I found another picture here from CES...I think this bi-color frame makes a lot of difference.

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I was also a little worried about my order of the 50PX60U, the online order form said ships around March 24, but the email confirmation said expected availability of mid april. When i called Panasonic this morning they confirmed that it will probably ship March 20.
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does anyone have a side profile shot? I'd like to see how thick the panel is from the side.

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OK I bought 50PX600U at ABT. They expect them any time between end of this month anf begining of July. I just left deposit and I will patiently wait (patiently - yeah right )

That's called a pre-order


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That's called a pre-order

That's called testing my patience lol
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I ordered a 42PX60U from Panasonic Direct on Friday March 10, afternoon. At that time, the rep said that it would ship sometime before April 1. I couldn't find any order confirmation on the website, got worried, so I called Panasonic today. The rep looked up my order number, and to my surprise said that "it shipped today." Hope that information is correct.
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Rich B,

Man I hope you're right about the PX60/PX600, but what if they handle the 1080p signal the way that they handled the 720p signal last year ... that means that 1080p would be dumbed sown to 540 and then upscaled to 768 ? Would that be the same short cut they took in order to claim that they could handle a 720p input? I don't think I would buy one under those circumstances.
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I ordered on Friday March 10th from Panasonic Direct as well and still have not received any e-mail confirmation about my order.

I called Panasonic and the guy basically restated what I already knew and that it would ship as soon as it cleared payment....no help at all
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Thanks....that's not bad. I was really concerned because I'm not a big fan of big bezels but this one on your site look nice. I found another picture here from CES...I think this bi-color frame makes a lot of difference.


See more photos of the PX600 Models at the following link:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/do...0308/pana2.htm


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BTW, I haven't found any panels in BB in Houston yet, so you west coast guys need to stop hogging all the panels

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Rich B,

Man I hope you're right about the PX60/PX600, but what if they handle the 1080p signal the way that they handled the 720p signal last year ... that means that 1080p would be dumbed sown to 540 and then upscaled to 768 ? Would that be the same short cut they took in order to claim that they could handle a 720p input? I don't think I would buy one under those circumstances.

I would not worry about it too much. Their de-interlacer works well so 1080i from a BD or HD DVD player will look awesome. Of course, I am a commercial person since I have no need for their speakers, cable-card, and silver bezel

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1. since the 2 most abundant ports available on graphics cards are vga/dvi...is this the best way to hook up to pc? meaning, that the best way [all the way around in terms of pq, ease and availability] will be the 600?

2. both the 42's [60 and 600] have internal tuners, correct?

3. a cable card (available only on the 42 600 model) delivers better pq than NOT having a cable card, correct?

4. one last time, w/ feeling: w/ cable card you're giving up interactivity [on demand features, etc] with the cable company, correct?


trying to decide 42 60vs600.

thanks sooooooooooooooooooooo much everyone...
greatly appreciated!!

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I'm with you there, man. My Wifely one is redecorating our den so that I can have this new toy, and I am afraid she is going to finish with the cabinet making before the commercial panels are out...August or September, I am told. This is probably going to be one of those best alternatives at the time, however I would love for it to be the 58" commercial panel...I just KNOW that Panasonic will have packed their latest and greatest into this next series...the PHD9U?. I'm not in the category of purchasers that can entertain the truly 1080p displays, even the 50" prototype which I love the look of more than any TV I have seen, will unfortunately be just out of my reach. I can be happy with the current crop, I just want to make sure that I am getting most of the goody of HDTV since it will be a longterm proposition.
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fyi...

just got off the phone w/ panasonic customer service...kevin.
asked about the availability of the 42px600u and the 50px600u and was told they would start making them available over the phone april 1st...
(hope it's not a cruel april fool's joke)

and, financing for interested parties, according to him, can be done at their web page??
hmm...
interesting...

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I might have to buy the matching stand too!
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I just ordered the last 50PX60U from the BB warehouse in Findlay, OH via the BB in Erie, PA today (I'll pick it up Friday). It was strange - yesterday, the computer showed 56 in the warehouse, today only one was left and it appeared that none had been transfered to stock retail outlets. I don't know when the warehouse stock will be replenished on the 50" or if they have any 42" left. It appeared that the warehouse serviced eastern OH and western PA. (I was looking over the BB guy's shoulder when he was checking stock). Fortunately, I got mine.

BTW, they price matched the Panasonic website deal when I showed them a copy of a receipt from another member's purchase in CA at BB (thanks again, Rick!).
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Thanks BruZZi.

I can always count on you to keep me honest. I am still correct about the "speakers".

Now, This is what I would really like to have........



Oh, I am talking about the Panasonic PX58

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I might have to buy the matching stand too!


I love the stand too, but for $1,000 I think I will pass.
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OK guys, here are some pics of my new 50PX60U that was just delivered by Best Buy late Sunday afternoon. (Can anyone tell me how to make them show up in the posted message rather than as an attachment?) I purposely took them at the worst time of day for me in terms of glare reflection, and I took one of the windows so that you can see the lighting conditions (see the next post). The TV picture was set to standard mode. I took one from the side so that you could see the worst-possible reflection I could create. From my normal viewing angle, the reflections are pretty much invisible.

By the way, since the set was just delivered late yesterday afternoon, I have not even had time yet to hook up my speakers (still need to make the decision on what receiver to buy ... any suggestions would be appreciated). The included speakers are really not that bad. I am using a Monster HDMI cable, and my video source is Cox Cable Scientific Atlanta Explorer 8300HD. I'm glad to answer any questions I can.
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The pic of the window is so that you can see the level of light in the room. The one taken from the side with the reflection shows the absolute worst reflection I was able to create. Direct-on or slightly to the side, the glare is pretty much nonexistent. For sake of comparison, I had a 50PX50U for about three weeks, and I had to close my blinds to watch the TV during the day because the glare and reflections were so bad. Even if the colors and black levels/contrast had not been improved, the reduced glare alone is enough to make me very, very happy with this set. I'm really not bothered by the silver bezel, either. For all you guys who are concerned about the silver, if you're like me, once you get the set hooked up you will forget about the color and just enjoy the awesome picture.
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