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Best Buy has the new Pioneer's up on their website now.

Just went to a best Buy today to see what's up since I started this thread saying that Pioneer told me they would be on shelves mid June. Well, it's mid june now and my local BB knows nothing about the new models. They have been out of stock on all 6th generation panels for over four months now. It's amazing that Pioneer is missing 5 months of sales each and every year; no wonder they report financial losses!
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Dunno about your location, but in bay area, there is one 4271HD on display in Winchester Best buy. All other stores are taking orders and currently 5071HD is available for pick up at a Mountain View Best Buy.
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Oxnard, CA BB has a 5071 set-up and it is selling it for a bit less than MSRP. I'm not sure whether they actually have any in-stock, or if it is just the display.

It looked great - excellent PQ (to me), and a fairly glossy black bezel with a black stand. I think they were feeding it a 720p signal over component.

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Just went to a best Buy today to see what's up since I started this thread saying that Pioneer told me they would be on shelves mid June. Well, it's mid june now and my local BB knows nothing about the new models. They have been out of stock on all 6th generation panels for over four months now. It's amazing that Pioneer is missing 5 months of sales each and every year; no wonder they report financial losses!

No kidding. I ordered my 1130 in March and it finally came the 1st week of June. The monitor was built in May and the receiver was built in Feb. However, it's nice to know my display is the latest and greatest. The company's got serious problems with production and logistics. They probably have people jumping the boat left and right. That's why they're sputtering to deliver on a sale. I've read all this talk and articles about overproduction. Please...
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...All other stores are taking orders and currently 5071HD is available for pick up at a Mountain View Best Buy.

That's the new BB store I was referring about.
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I received my PDP 5071HD on Saturday and I am nothing short of amazed at the picture quality. I received a $2300.00 credit from BB for a "lemon" Zenith E44W46lcd and obviously the two are night and day difference.
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I'd say the picture quality is equal if not better than last year's model. The analog tuner may have gotten worse though, it was not getting the poor BB signal as well as the 4361 we had on display.

Just returned from a trip to my local BB, where they had the 4271 on display. I spent about a half hour comparing it to the other plasmas on display nearby. I can confirm that this unit was having problems with its digital tuner, as both the sound and picture were breaking up every 30 seconds or so.

The Samsung, Toshiba, and Panasonic next to the Pioneer did not exhibit any such problems with the signal. All were connected via coax into their ANT input, and presumably tuned to the same digital feed.

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Did anyone try switching the feed with another display?

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Yes they have one in back of the store ay my BB I asked for price of unit,to high for me for a 42 incher.
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Just returned from a trip to my local BB, where they had the 4271 on display. I spent about a half hour comparing it to the other plasmas on display nearby. I can confirm that this unit was having problems with its digital tuner, as both the sound and picture were breaking up every 30 seconds or so.

The Samsung, Toshiba, and Panasonic next to the Pioneer did not exhibit any such problems with the signal. All were connected via coax into their ANT input, and presumably tuned to the same digital feed.

Nothing like that on the 5071 I saw, but the picture on the nearby Panasonic 60U was like that. BB feed/connection problems I guess, because I've seen the 60U several other places without that problem.
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Hmm, does the 5071 blow the Panasonic 60U away, or not so much?
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Blow it away? Based on the brief time I looked at both side-by-side (in a BB with all the limitations that implies) I would say no. Both had excellent picture quality. I would happily buy either of them - although I do think the Pioneer's black frame and stand is MUCH better than the silver Panny. As displayed, I did like the Pioneer picture better than the Panny, primarily because the scaling seemed better - but that could have been the feed. Is the Pioneer worth the extra money? That's the $64 question... For me, yes, I think so - the combination of a bunch of fairly minor things add-up to an overall pick of the Pioneer. HOWEVER - I haven't yet committed to putting my money on it...

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Is the Pioneer worth the extra money? That's the $64 question... For me, yes, I think so - the combination of a bunch of fairly minor things add-up to an overall pick of the Pioneer.

Isn't it more like the $1500 question?
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word is that the 1080p pioneer model will retail for AUS$15,000 - big dollars to being an early adopter i think

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Isn't it more like the $1500 question?

Not true. If you go with an on-line reseller (like I did), you can get the new 60" Pioneer for the same price as the 58" Panasonic, or just a little bit more (i.e. couple hundred, not $1,500).

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word is that the 1080p pioneer model will retail for AUS$15,000 - big dollars to being an early adopter i think

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Over $11,000 US!

That is why I am going with a new model Pioneer or Panasonic and then when the 1080p craze dies down and the prices come down (to today's current price of non-1080p sets) then I'll look at upgrading. Until then, I'm happy with what I will be getting. That is way to much money.

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hi william,

currently have the 5060 and have no inclination to go 5070 - just not a big enough step up in my view

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What exactly is a Pioneer powerbuy?
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Like others I went to BB to check out the PDP-4270(4271 BB version), it seems they are the only ones with a display model and warehouse stock? Does anyone know when other retailers will be receiving product?
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Like others I went to BB to check out the PDP-4270(4271 BB version), it seems they are the only ones with a display model and warehouse stock? Does anyone know when other retailers will be receiving product?

At least one of the forum sponsors claim to have the 42" models in stock.

I love HD...and I hated that Anti-Consumer format war.

Now that we can move on... Blu-ray > Digital Downloads!
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Isn't it more like the $1500 question?

The price difference on the shelf tags was $800.

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hi william,

currently have the 5060 and have no inclination to go 5070 - just not a big enough step up in my view

julie

I think William's debate was whether to buy the 1080p 60 inch, not whether to upgrade xx60 to xx70 series. But I may have misunderstood...

Going bigger, newer, and gaining 1080p would be something I would consider if price were no object, but right now, I'm personally happy with my 42" set.

I love HD...and I hated that Anti-Consumer format war.

Now that we can move on... Blu-ray > Digital Downloads!
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Any more people with review comments on the 5070 ? I for one am extremely anxious to hear.

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Not sure how much I can tell you, other than I went by BB this weekend and saw one displayed. Everything looks incredible as usual. I was watching ESPN2 HD, College World Series, and there was a notable difference compared to every other TV playing the same thing (DLP, LCD, and Plasmas). I'd be willing to bet the settings played a major role in the difference though. Amazingly enough, they had one 5060 still left in inventory that had been accidently shipped. I really debated taking it home right then.
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Here's a question for someone who has seen these.

Do you think it would be possible for the 50" panel's attached speaker to be used as a center channel?

After thinking about this I would guess "yes" by virtue of the speaker being detachable (as opposed to the 42" panel).

So, whaddya think?
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I've had my 5070 (5071 from BB) for 5 days and absolutely love it. This is my first HD set, and I wasn't prepared for how much better HD programming is than standard broadcasts. When watching the World Cup on ABC-HD versus regular ABC, it is hardly even watchable in comparison. I was also unaware of how few HD channels there were from Cox.

My only minor gripe, and it is very minor, is that the bezel attracts/gathers dust like crazy. I love the thin glossy black bezel, and it may have something to do with the dust in my house, but it seems it is going to need cleaning frequently.

Other than that, I'd buy it again in a second.
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hi william,

currently have the 5060 and have no inclination to go 5070 - just not a big enough step up in my view

julie

Yes, that would just be dumb and a waste of money. Anway, I still think the 5060 is FARRRR nicer than even the new panasonic 60U. The price difference is money well spent.
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Here's a question for someone who has seen these.

Do you think it would be possible for the 50" panel's attached speaker to be used as a center channel?

After thinking about this I would guess "yes" by virtue of the speaker being detachable (as opposed to the 42" panel).

So, whaddya think?

I have seen a similar question asked in a different thread. The answer was "it's not a good idea". These speakers are about 13W. Do you want to use them a center channel? Let them work as a tv speakers so that you don't have to turn on your A/V receiver for watching news. I'm happy to have my L/C/R from Ascends Acoustics. The center channel is awesome. I don;t need to turn the sub titles on while watching moveis anymore...

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Recieved my 5071 this morning and it was a breeze to setup. Here are a few bits on my experience thus far....

My parents own a 5060 so I have had some time with that set. A friend also owns the Panasonic 5U and another the 8UK, so my experience is based on those along with what I've seen at stores (BB, Magnolia Hi-Fi etc.) The 5071 comes with the 2 remotes (One full, the other a 'simplified remote'), no wall mount like the 5061, just a base stand, and all of the other stuff you would expect. The set is gorgeous, similar to the 5060 (Which my parents have) but no silver stand and less silver on the side/rear of the set. The inputs on the back are niceley laid out and plenty of room to plug in everying w/o clutter. The set seems very thin (no idea on a comparison on this one) and the noise is non existant. After running a burn in DVD for 5 hours, there was minimal heat from the unit as well.

I also purchased an OPPO 970 DVD Player and set the settings on the TV to User and fired things up. The image was breathtaking on both 780p & 1080i. Personally I prefer the pioneer image to panasonic/fujitsu as I feel its a little more 'real'/'lifelike'. Blacks are richer then the 5060, comparable to the elite IMO, not enough experience to compare them to the panny levels yet. Colors are vivid, no 'clayface' or anything like that. Even w/o any calibration (Only lowered the brightness & contrast) the set is brilliant. Watched a bit of Star Wars Ep 3, also Wedding Crashers, and some other random bits of things.

HDTV looked great, but only one channel was feeding me 'true' HD at the time. Daytime TV kind of sucks in the HD department. Looking forward to some sports & primetime TV tonight.

Running the Burn-In DVD found on this site, works like a charm, no dead pixels, colors are bright and solid. Will be doing a full Avia calibration tonight/tomorrow and try to share some experiences and pictures.

Very happy, amazing set, pioneer quality through and through. Anyone thinking about buying one should pull the trigger. Its worth it.
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After running a burn in DVD for 5 hours, there was minimal heat from the unit as well.

This one statement is what got my attention. I currently have a Panasonic 42" ED and want to upgrade to a 50" HD. The only negative I have on my set is that it generates a LOT of heat. You can feel the heat emanating off of the screen just by putting your hand an inch or so away from the glass. So now, I want to upgrade to a 50" HD set. While I love the picture on the Pioneers, I'm afraid a 50" is really going to heat up the room. Because of that fear alone, I've been leaning towards getting a 1080p LCD. If what you say is true though, that it doesn't give off much heat, maybe I should reconsider. Do others find the same thing, that the new Pioneers don't give off much heat?

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