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PQ?

Thank you again didn't realize it, I thought these new plasma tv's were burn in proof.

after the 200 hours would i be able to use dynamic as long as i want?

PQ = Picture quality. You are the only person I know that wants to use Dynamic

I think once you get use to the other setting, you will never want to use dynamic.

BTW, after the 200 hours the only thing you need to do with the settings I gave you is increase the contrast to your liking.
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PQ = Picture quality. You are the only person I know that wants to use Dynamic

I think once you get use to the other setting, you will never want to use dynamic.

BTW, after the 200 hours the only thing you need to do with the settings I gave you is increase the contrast to your liking.

LoL because out of all the settings dynamic seems the most vibrant colored out of all of them.
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btw, from what I can see in the BB/Mag system, So Cal is getting roughly 100 of the 50" 1080p elites. That thick black bezel is still bothering me though.

Plasma/LCD economy: http://www.witsview.com/
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LoL because out of all the settings dynamic seems the most vibrant colored out of all of them.


You can increase the colors with the settings I gave you if you like vibrant colors. try a color setting of -6.
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Make sure you turn the power save mode (in the options menu) to save2 **VERY important**[/quote]

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why is this power save mode so important?

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Hello all, I'm very new to this world as I'm looking to buy my first HDTV. So I've been lurking here for a few days to learn as much as I can.

I went to my local BB the other day looking for info on DLP units when the plasmas in general and the PDP-5071 in particular really caught my eye. So now I believe I am looking to go plasma all the way.

I was told that these new gen Pioneers all have a deeper cell to enhance picture/color quality? Does anyone know how much if any truth there is to this or just marketing BS?

Thanks for all the info I've read so far, you have all been extremely helpful.
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PS Kampfer, by any chance do you own an A5?
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According to my source at Tweeters (Corporate Division), The San Diego county stores are scheduled to recieve 60, PRO-FHD1s on June 30th. (1st 1080p plasma to hit the streets).
MSRP $9,999.95 USD.

This month's new word. The Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly .
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Audi A5? I don't, it be nice to have one though, haha. Anyways, back on answering your question, it is somewhat marketing, it is the way Pioneer make their plasma panel, each pixel made up of cells and stuff. Take it as marketing hype or as realistic specs to your own taste, the picture quality explains it all. The past couple of generations of Pio's have those deep encased cells and stuff, so no big deal in my opinion, the only big deal to me is how good the picture looks, the bezel, and the inputs on the tv.

ps. a 50" Pioneer weighs almost the same as a 42" Panasonic, does that intrigue anybody?

Plasma/LCD economy: http://www.witsview.com/
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Thanks, I was speaking to the BB rep and he gave me some true info and some false. I'm trying to sort it all out.

I don't hear much about Samsung on this forum. I know the BB floors are far from optimal viewing grounds but to me it (HP-S4253) was one of the best looking sets next to the Pioneer. Any thoughts on this company?

Kampfer: the A5 is a paintball gun. I know another Kampfer on a A5 forum that is a top notch guy, thought you might be the same :-)
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PQ = Picture quality. You are the only person I know that wants to use Dynamic

I think once you get use to the other setting, you will never want to use dynamic.

BTW, after the 200 hours the only thing you need to do with the settings I gave you is increase the contrast to your liking.

That must make me the 2nd. (although not on all material) I am growing tired of hearing how other people think that the way they do something is somehow the appropriate way for everyone else to do it. It is a personal choice (after the 100hr burn in prevention reduction period) if you like the way Dynamic looks, why should you "get use to the other setting". I am not necessairly interested in re-creating reality when watching content on my 1130, I'm looking for bright, over saturated colors, pop, 3D, etc. When I want reality, I walk outside.

Although I am finding the urge to use my dichromatic sunglasses to make my reality a little more dynamic.

This month's new word. The Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly .
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Thanks for the reply Zurgdawg. That BDI stand is nice, I will look at their website to see the other sizes and colors. The picture you provided is really helpfull.

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hrmmm i'm thinking of returning the pdp-5071 and picking up the elite 50" 1080p one, lol quesiton is how do i return it without it's original box, i already torn it up and stuff and is ready to be thrown away. Do you guys think i can return it without it's original packing and just the reciept?

haha or should i just keep what i got and wait 5 years to buy a new tv
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ps. a 50" Pioneer weighs almost the same as a 42" Panasonic, does that intrigue anybody?

Kempfer,
How much does the Pio 50" weigh? I have been looking for that info because I'm going to mount it on a wall.

But yes, that's interesting that it weighs same as 42" Panny

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wow I knew it was going to be expensive but thats double the cost of the 1130HD. I think that just sold me on getting the 1130HD lol
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According to my source at Tweeters (Corporate Division), The San Diego county stores are scheduled to recieve 60, PRO-FHD1s on June 30th. (1st 1080p plasma to hit the streets).
MSRP $9,999.95 USD.

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Pure Cinema is not the PURE picture mode that everyone was hoping came with the xx70 series. Please, please, please take your panel out of Dynamic mode and use the following settings for the next 200 hours....

Thanks- set my 5071 to these settings and I'll stick with them for a month or two. May pump up the color after that a little...
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Kempfer,
How much does the Pio 50" weigh? I have been looking for that info because I'm going to mount it on a wall.

But yes, that's interesting that it weighs same as 42" Panny

The box is marked 113.1 gross and 92 net (pounds). Per the spec sheet in the manual (yes! they gave me one when I went in and whined!!):

Main Unit: 75.2 lbs
Stand: 9.5 lbs
Speaker System: 7.3 lbs

92 lbs total
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why is this power save mode so important?

It minimizes the risk of image retention and burn-in.
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That must make me the 2nd. (although not on all material) I am growing tired of hearing how other people think that the way they do something is somehow the appropriate way for everyone else to do it. It is a personal choice (after the 100hr burn in prevention reduction period) if you like the way Dynamic looks, why should you "get use to the other setting". I am not necessairly interested in re-creating reality when watching content on my 1130, I'm looking for bright, over saturated colors, pop, 3D, etc. When I want reality, I walk outside.

Although I am finding the urge to use my dichromatic sunglasses to make my reality a little more dynamic.

Hmmm, how to even respond to this......

Let me say this, ALL setting I recommend are personal setting I find that maximizes the performance of a specific TV. By no means do I ever mean they are "better than yours".

Dynamic mode..... If you prefer clayface, mosquito noise, mpeg artifacts, reduced panel life, picture smearing, incorrect color pallets, dither noise, and picture banding, then by all means use Dynamic mode on ANY TV.

Your 1130..... It's your panel and you can set it to whatever you want, but I'm pretty sure that if you panel could talk and had arms it would slap the sh** out of you and beg you to take it back to the store Just my opinion of course.
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I was in my local BB today in Mountain View, CA where they had the 5071 and the 4271 side by side running the standard BB loop. Unfortunately, both were in Dynamic mode and there were no remotes in sight to adjust. However, the 4271 appeared to me have a noticeably better picture. Much better detail and depth. It had the rather stunning 3D quality that Pioneer is known for.

The 5071 wasn't at all bad. In fact it was quite good -- definitely better than any other 50" plasma there on display, but still it paled in comparison to the 4271. I've compared the 5060 and 4360 side by side in the past, both in Dynamic mode and in "properly" adjusted settings, and I don't recall any significant difference in PQ between the two.

Has anyone else noticed this? The side by side comparison I'd really like to see is the 5071 vs. the 5060 to see if there has been any signficant change in PQ between the two generations. Unfortunately, none of the BBs in my area even have the 5060 in stock anymore.
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they had the 5071 and the 4271 side by side running the standard BB loop. the 4271 appeared to me have a noticeably better picture.

All things being equal, a 42" plasma will always have a better PQ than a 50" because it is smaller = denser. Blowing up a feed to larger and larger sizes always dimishes PQ. The only benefit of a larger size is it allows a most distant viewing distance.

The specs for 42" models typically have higher contrast ratios.

and on my digital camera's 2" lcd, photos always look sharp even if they are blurry
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This question goes out of everyone who has purchased one of the new Pioneers, how is SD looking on them?
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All things being equal, a 42" plasma will always have a better PQ than a 50" because it is smaller = denser. Blowing up a feed to larger and larger sizes always dimishes PQ.

True for SD, but not for HD. For HD content you need 50" or bigger to really benefit from the additional resolution.

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The only benefit of a larger size is it allows a most distant viewing distance.

Nope. Other benefits are:

(1) the bigger the better for HD content, because 42" is just too small to make all HD details visible to the human eye

(2) you'll get more drawn into the movie if the image is bigger; THX recommends a viewing angle of 36 degree
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That must make me the 2nd. (although not on all material) I am growing tired of hearing how other people think that the way they do something is somehow the appropriate way for everyone else to do it. It is a personal choice (after the 100hr burn in prevention reduction period) if you like the way Dynamic looks, why should you "get use to the other setting". I am not necessairly interested in re-creating reality when watching content on my 1130, I'm looking for bright, over saturated colors, pop, 3D, etc. When I want reality, I walk outside.

Although I am finding the urge to use my dichromatic sunglasses to make my reality a little more dynamic.

I have to agree. I use Dynamic on my Sony CRT XBR and love it. It's been that way for 10 years too. Set it to what you like.
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I'm sorry if this is covered somewhere else but I can't find it.

Does the new Pioneer xx70 line have a mode similar to Panasonic's "Just" mode for 4:3 SD viewing? I just want to make sure, Thanks.
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Has anyone heard of ISF calibration?

A local dealer said they can calibrate the TV for an additional cost and the 1130HD is probably the best tv on the market to be calibrated by the ISF standards. He said they hook the TV up to a color spectrum software program that will allow them to set your tv up for day time viewing and night time viewing. He said once its calibrated the PQ is simply amazing.

I also asked about the 1140. He said he has seen it in person and the black levels are a bit better then the 1130 and that it has some really cool networking capabilities. The PQ was better, however he said it wasnt nearly as big as a jump from the 1120 to the 1130. With that said, he definitely recommended the 1140 but doesnt know how much it will cost or when he will take delivery on them (he said late august/early september would be the soonest they would get them...if they even got them by then).

Anyway, anyone heard of ISF calibration before?
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Yes, do a forum search and you will find plenty of information about ISF calibration. Word is that an ISF calibrated 1130 has a fantastic picture.
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Anyway, anyone heard of ISF calibration before?

Sure have, ISF CALIBRATION THREAD
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Thanks guys...heading to the ISF thread
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Does the new Pioneer xx70 line have a mode similar to Panasonic's "Just" mode for 4:3 SD viewing? I just want to make sure, Thanks.

Pioneer has several modes to stretch the picture. Most people, including Panasonic owners, think the Panasonic Just mode is very bad at stretching, so you will be pleased to know that Pioneer's stretch modes are preferred.

but NEC Stadium mode beats them all
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thank you for the response. until more programming is in HD, I will have to live with these stretched modes so its nice to hear about which manufacturers do it best.
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