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post #31 of 48 Old 07-06-2006, 04:03 AM
 
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Ah. Well there is always HD DVD and BD as high(er) quality 1080p source. If I had $10k to blow on a new display there is no way it wouldn't be a 1080p display.
I own a 720p PDP so I won't buy another FP until a 1080p display comes along which meets my needs that I can afford. If you have the money to buy one now... great, but spending $10,000 for a "monitor" to watch a "handful" of 1080p DVDs seems like a rather "foolhardy" expenditure to me.
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There is a sucker born everyday !


or so they say :D
Well, I guess you're saying that everyone in the US that bought their 50" Plasma TV's three years ago are stupid & suckers for spending so much money on a display. If it weren't for early adopters you would not be enjoying the much lower costs of Plasma TV's today. You & Tangfoot should kiss your lucky stars that you are now able to buy at low prices built on the backs of Early Adopters of this video tech, rather than spit out envious name calling.

BTW: Why are you on a 1080p display thread that you have no interest in purchasing, but post only to bash the 1080p video tech & those people that support it? Sounds like a troll to me.
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I am an early adopter. My first generation 50" Fujitsu works fine, and I could purchase 3 new 50" plasma for what I paid in 2001 for this one unit. I have no regrets whatsoever as we have enjoyed it for over 5 years.

Is anyone who has been reasonably successful in life to be denigrated for having done so? I don't see the point of that perspective, unless you are clamoring for some form of egalitarian share the wealth society.

Unless, that is, we allow someone truly under privileged to point at you, the ~3 thousand dollar spender, as utterly and completely lacking in values.

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Not that anyone here really "cares" who buys what or when... :rolleyes: I still have difficulties coming to terms with the self professed "A/V enthusiasts" (a.k.a. early adopters) who are willing to spend $10,000 for a "monitor" to hook up to a 3-year-old (which by now is an antique :D ) SA8300. If these "early adopters" were to demand more, which as a consumer is our right to do, I could somehow rationalize this expenditure.

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Well, I guess you're saying that everyone in the US that bought their 50" Plasma TV's three years ago are stupid & suckers for spending so much money on a display. If it weren't for early adopters you would not be enjoying the much lower costs of Plasma TV's today. You & Tangfoot should kiss your lucky stars that you are now able to buy at low prices built on the backs of Early Adopters of this video tech, rather than spit out envious name calling.

BTW: Why are you on a 1080p display thread that you have no interest in purchasing, but post only to bash the 1080p video tech & those people that support it? Sounds like a troll to me.
AVS has dropped in class significantly in the past year. Im sure the drop in bigger display prices and the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war is bringing most of the uglyness here. I acknowledge early adapoters in a big way, without them, we wouldnt be where we are today in terms of technology at such great pricing. Anyone who tells you how to spend your money, tell them to F off.
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AVS has dropped in class significantly in the past year. Im sure the drop in bigger display prices and the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war is bringing most of the uglyness here. I acknowledge early adapoters in a big way, without them, we wouldnt be where we are today in terms of technology at such great pricing. Anyone who tells you how to spend your money, tell them to F off.
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AVS has dropped in class significantly in the past year. Im sure the drop in bigger display prices and the Blu-Ray/HD-DVD war is bringing most of the uglyness here. I acknowledge early adapoters in a big way, without them, we wouldnt be where we are today in terms of technology at such great pricing. Anyone who tells you how to spend your money, tell them to F off.
"dropped in class significantly"?
You will see this "drop" continue and exacerbate as HD becomes more mainstream and Plasma/LCD/SEP/whatever becomes cheaper and more pervasive to the masses.

Maybe the AV$forum idea wasn't so bad at all...

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I still have difficulties coming to terms with the self professed "A/V enthusiasts" (a.k.a. early adopters) who are willing to spend $10,000 for a "monitor" to hook up to a 3-year-old SA8300. If these "early adopters" were to demand more, which as a consumer is our right to do, I could somehow rationalize this expenditure.
I see your rabid obsession with the cableCARD continues to pollute nearly every thread you participate in. Why do you continue to believe that every thread started exists only to provide you with an opportunity to get back on your little soapbox and save the world from the evil cable providers?!?! :rolleyes: You are starting to sound more like a paid lobbyist than a participating member. You are certainly entitled to your opinion; but for gawds sake, please stop hijacking threads with the never ending cableCARD crusade!!

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Getting back on topic...

Optivity's post ignores the fact that some people are more interested in things like HD movies (BluRay or HD-DVD) and full HD gaming; than they are in watching SD sources, or anything else delivered via the cable providers. While HD disk titles do not currently enjoy the sort of distribution that DVDs do, it is only a matter of time before they become more commonly available.

Some folks are making an investment in a display they feel they can live with for more than just a few years. Having a display that can input 1080p and display it natively will allow consumers to stave off obsolescence to a greater degree than less capable displays can. As 1080p is the maximum resolution current HD standards allow for, it is the object of desire for a fair number of people. Panels capable of inputting and displaying 1080p natively will require comparatively minimal processing from 1080p sources. The less processing required, the fewer chances there are of introducing processing related problems. Such advantages are compelling for some consumers.

The money argument is silly. Those that can afford it, most certainly will own it. If you are not at the point in your life where you have enough discretionary income to afford such indulgences (this is a want -- not a need), then begrudging those that can, only serves to make your envy all the more obvious. The new Panny 65 1080p already has a street price (if pre-order pricing is any indicator) some 2k below the above mentioned 10k price. While the new Pio 50" 1080p looks to be 2k more, for 15" less screen size than the Panny; rest assured, there will be buyers for their display too.

While this sort of expenditure may seem like big money to some, it is not all that far from what was paid for better 50" displays only a short time ago, and 42" panels not so many years back. The argument for 1080p big screens will become stronger for the average consumer with each ratcheting down of prices. When we get to 6k, another group of potential buyers will deem it as affordable; and so on, as the prices go lower. That is to be expected with most consumer products. What is harder to gauge here, is how much more consumers are willing to spend on average for a display. If the consumer spending floor rises as the cost ceiling is lowered; then 1080p sets will become the norm sooner, rather than later in the upgrade/replacement cycle.
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I see your rabid obsession with the cableCARD continues to pollute nearly every thread you participate in. Why do you continue to believe that every thread started exists only to provide you with an opportunity to get back on your little soapbox and save the world from the evil cable providers?!?! :rolleyes: You are starting to sound more like a paid lobbyist than a participating member. You are certainly entitled to your opinion; but for gawds sake, please stop hijacking threads with the never ending cableCARD crusade!!
Personal attacks aside dude... if you don't like the content of my post(s) why not just ingore them... or can only topics that interest you be discussed in this Forum?
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Optivity's post ignores the fact that some people are more interested in things like HD movies (BluRay or HD-DVD) and full HD gaming; than they are in watching SD sources, or anything else delivered via the cable providers. While HD disk titles do not currently enjoy the sort of distribution that DVDs do, it is only a matter of time before they become more commonly available.
We'll all own 1080p displays... someday. If you want to spend 10 grand on a TV to watch a handful of DVDs (50 First Dates is available :rolleyes: ) and play a few games (with your 16-year-old friends) be my guest. :) Adults prefer to spread their money around more effectively and actually save some of it too! ;)
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If people got the money to spend 10, 000 on a TV then good for them. I don't and many others don't either, and that's too bad for us. There's no point in being jealous. If I had alot of money then I would also be an early adopter and wouldn't hesitate to spend 10, 000 on a quality 1080p plasma. This bickering is so pointless. I thought most of the people who post on this forum were adults, but I guess I'm wrong.
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BTW: Why are you on a 1080p display thread that you have no interest in purchasing, but post only to bash the 1080p video tech & those people that support it? Sounds like a troll to me.


Do I have to agree with you to post on this thread ?


Go take a hike, DUDE :mad:

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By the way I live in a Million $$ house so I can afford many 1080p panels if I wanted to.
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We'll all own 1080p displays... someday.
You can own one now for a bargain basement price.....have any of you interested in 1080p checked out the 42" and 47" Westinghouse LCD's? Check the threads on here....no reason to wait....get an outstanding 1080p screen for anywhere between $1,700 and $2,499.

Why wait?
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Do I have to agree with you to post on this thread ?


Go take a hike, DUDE :mad:

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By the way I live in a Million $$ house so I can afford many 1080p panels if I wanted to.
....go TROLL elsewhere....DUDE.
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This is one of the lamest threads I have ever read. An interesting question was asked, followed by pointless bickering and name calling. Come on AVS Forum, you are better than that.

Back on topic. I would guess three model years. Upcoming models will be pricey, followed by a price premium of $1000 or so over a 720 model in two years, then being priced similiar to today's levels in 3 years.
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Next year at this time there will be the next years model--some 1080p and mostly 1366X768.

Anybody have a guess as to what will be sold in 2008? What percentage will be 1080p? Will the summer of 2007 Panasonics be 10th generation and the summer of 2008 Panasonics be the LAST 11th generation of 1366X768?

Something tells me that most of the manufacturers such as Panasonic, Fujitsu, Pioneer, NEC, and Samsung will still sell maybe 1 budget 1366X768 plasma in their lines in 2009 but everything else will be 1080p.

I really believe in 2010 that only 1080p will remain from Pioneer and Panasonic. Anyone agree or disagree?
I think you nailed this one. A breath of rationality for this discussion.
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This is one of the lamest threads I have ever read. An interesting question was asked, followed by pointless bickering and name calling. Come on AVS Forum, you are better than that.

Back on topic. I would guess three model years. Upcoming models will be pricey, followed by a price premium of $1000 or so over a 720 model in two years, then being priced similiar to today's levels in 3 years.
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I suppose that the defacto standard will eventually change from 720p Plasmas to 1080p. Anyone know the status of this transformation? Any guess on when this may happen?
Carnac the Magnificent predicts: not before 2009 - 2010. ;)

with no mention of the "dreaded" CableCARD word...

oops... I said it again...
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I came here to read about 1080PDP's and it's like I'm back in the BD vs HD DVD threads with all the name calling and such. Sheesh.

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