Panasonic TH-50PF9UK (1080p panel) what do we know about it? - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 438 Old 10-06-2006, 06:32 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
KLee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 11
So all I have heard is it is coming in December and there is this pdf on it:

http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER.../TH50PF9UK.PDF


Any word on MSRP yet?
KLee is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 438 Old 10-06-2006, 11:13 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Pedro2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,491
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
VERY interesting...dimensions are same as current 9UK model except for about 20 pounds heavier.

MSRP? My guess is 6K. We shall see. Serious Pioneer competitor?!
Pedro2 is offline  
post #3 of 438 Old 10-06-2006, 08:02 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
KLee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Well, the MSRP of the TH50PH9UK is $3,995.00....

My guess (hope) is the H50PF9UK will have an MSRP ~ 1K more ($4,995.00)

If that becomes the case, then street prices should be slightly above 3K....right in my price range
KLee is offline  
post #4 of 438 Old 10-07-2006, 05:07 AM
AVS Special Member
 
mkoesel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by KLee View Post

Well, the MSRP of the TH50PH9UK is $3,995.00....

My guess (hope) is the H50PF9UK will have an MSRP ~ 1K more ($4,995.00)

If that becomes the case, then street prices should be slightly above 3K....right in my price range

Actually the 50" PH is currently $3,295.00 MSRP. My guess would be about $5999.00 for the PF MSRP with street prices at about 4k.
mkoesel is offline  
post #5 of 438 Old 10-07-2006, 07:48 AM
AVS Special Member
 
afiggatt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Sterling, VA
Posts: 4,300
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro2 View Post

VERY interesting...dimensions are same as current 9UK model except for about 20 pounds heavier.
MSRP? My guess is 6K. We shall see. Serious Pioneer competitor?!

Checking the specs in the manual: the TH-50PHD9UK is 81.6 lbs, the 1080p TH-50PF9UK is 92.6 lbs or 11 lbs heavier. Perhaps the weight of all those extra pixels? Seriously, I would guess is that the extra weight is due to new control electronics which will be shrunk in weight and size for the Series 10 and 2007 consumer models.

Pioneer FHD1 competitor? For sure.

Interesting find. If the manual is already on Panasonic's website, the release can't be that far off. Panasonic is introducing the 1920x1080 resolution 50" model faster than I would have expected given how long it has taken for the 1080p 65 models to get to the US from their introduction in Japan in fall of 2005. Perhaps Panasonic had to get production volume up and reject rate & costs down bfore they could ship worldwide with the 1080p models. With the 46" and bigger 1080p LCD flat panels finally entering the marketplace in sufficient quantities that one can actually see them at the local B&M store, Panasonic is likely accelerating their roll-out of of 1080p (display resolution) plasmas down to 50".

I have a TH42PHD7UY. It will be hard to resist stepping up to a 1080p 50" plasma before the next gen 1080p Panasonics and Pioneers hit in mid to later 2007 with big price drops from the 1080p models we are getting this year. Pioneer has already dropped the price on their 50" FHD1 from $10K to $8K.
afiggatt is offline  
post #6 of 438 Old 10-07-2006, 08:42 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Pedro2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,491
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Should note that the Pioneer 1080p also weighs considerably more than its non-1080p equivalent (1140HD elite and 5070 models). But unlike the Panasonic, the Pioneer dimensions are larger than its non-1080p siblings (both elite and non-elite). It has a much wider bezel, which is clearly noticeable side by side with the 5070 (making it look somewhat bulkier). Very nice to see that the Panny 1080p is not a bulkier display than the non-1080p 9UK--the Panny commercial line thus remains the "sleekest."
Pedro2 is offline  
post #7 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 03:53 PM
Member
 
Hemi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 117
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
It looks like the DVI-D blade is included as standard, at least if I'm reading the Operating Instructions correctly. Is this a new development or have I not been paying attention?

Dan

1969 Hemi Daytona - SOLD!
1972 Torino GT (by Pure Vision Design)
Hemi is offline  
post #8 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 05:31 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
KLee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi View Post

It looks like the DVI-D blade is included as standard, at least if I'm reading the Operating Instructions correctly. Is this a new development or have I not been paying attention?

Dan


So would that mean that I could use an HDMI to DVI-D cable and it would work?
KLee is offline  
post #9 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 05:44 PM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hemi View Post

It looks like the DVI-D blade is included as standard, at least if I'm reading the Operating Instructions correctly. Is this a new development or have I not been paying attention?

Dan

Yeah, thats what I get from it. How DUMB. Why not put HDMI in it? DVI is worthless for 99% of the people.

But still, this is going to be the TV I'm getting! FINALLY... after years of patiently waiting while others squandered money on 480p and 768p .
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #10 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 07:14 PM
Senior Member
 
xswl0931's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 347
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
DVI is probably there because this is the commercial model (intended to be powered by PCs), not the consumer model.
xswl0931 is offline  
post #11 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 09:03 PM
Ein
Advanced Member
 
Ein's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 813
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by KLee View Post

So would that mean that I could use an HDMI to DVI-D cable and it would work?

Probably not, don't think the DVI-D is HDCP.
Ein is offline  
post #12 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 09:22 PM
AVS Special Member
 
pdawg17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Cali
Posts: 1,787
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Yeah, thats what I get from it. How DUMB. Why not put HDMI in it? DVI is worthless for 99% of the people.

But still, this is going to be the TV I'm getting! FINALLY... after years of patiently waiting while others squandered money on 480p and 768p .

Now you've just woken up the debate "is 1080p necessary for a 50 inch for ~$1200 more"...
pdawg17 is offline  
post #13 of 438 Old 10-08-2006, 11:40 PM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdawg17 View Post

Now you've just woken up the debate "is 1080p necessary for a 50 inch for ~$1200 more"...

Whats to debate? Why would you watch 1920x1080 content on anything BUT a 1920x1080 TV? Scaling is not something you want to do if you can avoid it. If I can get a 1080p 50" plasma for $1200 more, you can sure as hell bet I'm gonna. More pixels is a *GOOD* thing .

Some people want to SAVE $1200 and still buy ED sets over HD sets which just boggles my mind.

Next year at this time, everyones gonna be foaming at the mouth for 1080p sets and this 50" debat will be irrelevant anyways .
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #14 of 438 Old 10-09-2006, 06:56 AM
AVS Special Member
 
pdawg17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Cali
Posts: 1,787
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Whats to debate? Why would you watch 1920x1080 content on anything BUT a 1920x1080 TV?

You're right...if you have 1920x1080 content to watch...
pdawg17 is offline  
post #15 of 438 Old 10-09-2006, 08:02 AM
Member
 
ph0sphor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 67
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ein View Post

Probably not, don't think the DVI-D is HDCP.

According to the manual, it is HDCP v1.1 compatible.

The manual also states that some of the supported resolutions through DVI-D are:

1,125 (1080) / 60i
1,125 (1080) / 60p
1,125 (1080) / 50i
1,125 (1080) / 50p

Hopefully this means that we'll be able to use 1:1 native resolution at both 60Hz and (finally!) 50Hz using a digital connection.
ph0sphor is offline  
post #16 of 438 Old 10-09-2006, 10:33 AM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdawg17 View Post

You're right...if you have 1920x1080 content to watch...

Heh... true dat... but why would you even buy a HDTV if you didn't? Personally, I think watching standard def content on an HDTV of any kind is a huge mountain of suck. The side bars are more annoying then letter boxing, the low quality of the standard def signal is amplified, etc.

Its going to be a painful transition for me when I finally buy this bad boy, I do realize there is very little 1080 content that I'll be watching though. My only source from the start will be a DirecTV HR10-250 and an upconverting DVD player and an OTA antenna for locals since I'll be avoiding that huge mountain of suck known as the MPEG4 HR20-700 DVR that DirecTV requires to get locals and the dish the size of a VW bug that goes along with it. BluRay and HD-DVD are not even *close* to being ready for prime time.
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #17 of 438 Old 10-09-2006, 09:19 PM
Member
 
sthayashi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 140
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Maybe *I* missed it, but I didn't see any S-Video or composite connections. This monitor effectively renders my VCR obsolete.
sthayashi is offline  
post #18 of 438 Old 10-09-2006, 09:54 PM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by sthayashi View Post

Maybe *I* missed it, but I didn't see any S-Video or composite connections. This monitor effectively renders my VCR obsolete.

Its probably an optional blade. I guess they figured a useless DVI blade is more common then component or HDMI.

OR... maybe they figured, lets give them the obsolote connectors for free and make them pay for HDMI AND component... See before they were just making you pay for HDMI. Now they can charge for component as well... SMART MOVE.

Or just get an upconverting AVR and run your VCR through that. Thats what I'm planning. Although I haven't touched my VCR in about 3 yrs.
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #19 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 06:28 AM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
KLee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Posts: 1,713
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by pdawg17 View Post

You're right...if you have 1920x1080 content to watch...

Lucky for me I am a big videogamer and between PS3 (games, blu ray movies) and X360+ the add on (games, HD-DVD movies) I should have a decent selection of 1080p content to choose from
KLee is offline  
post #20 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 11:54 AM
AVS Special Member
 
mkoesel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 2,343
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by SledgeHammer View Post

Its probably an optional blade. I guess they figured a useless DVI blade is more common then component or HDMI.

OR... maybe they figured, lets give them the obsolote connectors for free and make them pay for HDMI AND component... See before they were just making you pay for HDMI. Now they can charge for component as well... SMART MOVE.

There are still two component connections standard, just like on all of the other commercial models. One is BNCx3, and one is DSUB. Both will double as analog RGB (again, just as in the past).

The lack of HDMI is lamentable in that it leaves you without digital component (YCbCr). However, in all other cases it offers a superset of the functionality of the existing HDMI boards.

For the target customer (commercial appilcations) they figure that if you spend the extra for a 1920x1080 panel, then you will not be feeding it with a composite or s-video source. And if you do have a secondary need for it, you'll buy the optional board.
mkoesel is offline  
post #21 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 12:17 PM
AVS Special Member
 
JWhip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Wayne, PA
Posts: 4,162
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked: 210
Sledgehammer, At about 10 feet viewing distance, the 1920 x 1080 resolution means nothing for me at the 50" size. I already have a 50PHD7UY fully calibrated and for right now, that is perfect. Now, 65" is another story but not at the present prices. Maybe next year!
JWhip is offline  
post #22 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 05:15 PM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWhip View Post

Sledgehammer, At about 10 feet viewing distance, the 1920 x 1080 resolution means nothing for me at the 50" size. I already have a 50PHD7UY fully calibrated and for right now, that is perfect. Now, 65" is another story but not at the present prices. Maybe next year!

Have you seen 768p and 1080p side by side? I have and I could see a difference. Its the same thing I see over and over. People on the forums bash new technology and say its worthless for a year or so, and then said persons foam at the mouth for it . I've seen it happen with HDMI, EDTV vs. HDTV, etc. Everyone bashed HDMI for about a year when it first came out and now everyone and their momma wants it.
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #23 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 05:31 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Kevin C Brown's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Santa Clara, CA
Posts: 3,428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 25
I wonder/hope if they will fix the problem with not being able to change aspect ratio for HD sources. ??

If it's not worth waiting until the last minute to do, then it's not worth doing.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Kevin C Brown is offline  
post #24 of 438 Old 10-10-2006, 06:29 PM
Senior Member
 
cokecan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 407
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Isn't the TH50PH9Uk HDCP compliant over DVI? http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...odel=TY-42TM6D

I doubt they would stuff a non-compliant DVI port in by default..

And since not even a fraction of pcs have HDMI at this point, I could totally see how they would go this route from a commercial angle..


Cheers,
Brian
cokecan is offline  
post #25 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 07:57 AM
Member
 
veeper2006's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 48
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Need some clarification here ---- since the panny commerical 9UK does not provide for aspect specific to HD feeds i was wondering that since EchoStar Satellite newest DVR/Receiver incorporate aspect -- if that is a work around for this particular issue with the panny commercial displays??
veeper2006 is offline  
post #26 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 08:24 AM
AVS Special Member
 
JWhip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Wayne, PA
Posts: 4,162
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked: 210
Yes sledge I have and at 10 feet it is not worth spending more money on another 50" set. The marginal increase in PQ and I mean marginal at 10 feet plus viewing distances, is not worth the extra money for me. I have no interest in a lateral size move. I have gone from 34" to 42" and then to 50", all when the prices became acceptable to me and the wife. Now at 65" I am very interested but not at these price points. Perhaps in a year or two. Frankly, I also have an older Panny ED set in the bedroom, a 42PWD4UY and guess what, it still has a great pic all these years later and was well worth the money at the time.
JWhip is offline  
post #27 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 10:21 AM
Advanced Member
 
SledgeHammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 924
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWhip View Post

Yes sledge I have and at 10 feet it is not worth spending more money on another 50" set. The marginal increase in PQ and I mean marginal at 10 feet plus viewing distances, is not worth the extra money for me. I have no interest in a lateral size move. I have gone from 34" to 42" and then to 50", all when the prices became acceptable to me and the wife. Now at 65" I am very interested but not at these price points. Perhaps in a year or two. Frankly, I also have an older Panny ED set in the bedroom, a 42PWD4UY and guess what, it still has a great pic all these years later and was well worth the money at the time.

Hehe... well, to each his own I guess... personally, I'm looking to buy a TV that I wont have to replace in 2 to 3 yrs. I'd like to keep it longer. 1080p is the end of the road for next 10yrs+, so all improvements to the 1080p sets from here on out will be incremental at best.
SledgeHammer is offline  
post #28 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 11:08 AM
AVS Special Member
 
JWhip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Wayne, PA
Posts: 4,162
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked: 210
Be my quest. My 50PHD7UY is now two years old and I have been enjoying it immensely for those two years. In another year I will consider a 65" set, not another 50 incher. Some people can't help themselves and buy new sets every three months (at the same screen size) chasing the latest and greatest. As a long time audiophile, I am well past that. I buy what I think is the best at the time and enjoy it for years.
JWhip is offline  
post #29 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 11:17 AM
AVS Special Member
 
yobob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Antonio
Posts: 1,418
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Hey Sledge, you sure you don't go by "bladerunner7" over in the Pio forum??
yobob is offline  
post #30 of 438 Old 10-11-2006, 11:34 AM
Advanced Member
 
hoodlum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 934
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I just noticed that it is rated for 650W compared to 460W for the 50PH9UK. I wonder if the heat coming from these screens will be noticeable.
hoodlum is offline  
Reply Plasma Flat Panel Displays

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off