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I am seeing info pieces regarding Pioneer PDP-505CMX / 507CMX monitor here and there. I am interested in learning more about this monitor. Its attractive side is, for example, a number of functions that alleviate burn-in. For those who do not need a tuner and speakers it maybe a good choice. Any info you share will be much appreciated.

In addition, what kind of expansion cards are available from Pioneer and third parties? Any HDMI inputs? If there is no tuner, will HD cable box feed all signals - HD, SD? What are the advantages/disadvantages vis a vis commercial (Pioneer 5070, 1140) models?

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and, just maybe, we could include the 607cmx monitor as well. I am interested in this 60 inch set. There would be no speakers nor tuners in a monitor. There is probably a stereo amp to drive external speakers.
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Well the 505CMX is out now. The 507CMX are just hitting and are the new models. They are so new there is not a whole lot of info on them yet. Key Digital has pretty much the best option as far as a expansion card. However Aurora makes a card too with a tuner.

Pioneer PDP-505CMX (Click Here)


Add the Key Digital Xplorer Card and you will have a Pioner Elite picture quality with alot more inputs. CLICK HERE



Inputs this panel will have with the Key Card Added.
4 hdmi (supports HDCP)
DVI(supports HDCP)
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Aurora multi media card TVP500F CLICK HERE
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Many thanks, Chris

1. One thing I notice. The Key Digital Xplorer Card you referred to is designed, as I understand, for PDP-504CMX which has Native 1280x768 WXGA and PDP-434CMX which has Native 1024x768. However, Pioneer 507 is a 1365 x 768 set. Will the Key digital card match 507's native resolution?

2. Are a stand and speakers available with 507 as an option?

3. Will 507 accept both the key digital card AND TVP500F in another expansion slot to enable tuner capability?

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Key Card upscales to 768P for all models. Only one big slot on either the 505CMX or 507CMX so only one of these bigger cards can be used. There is a smaller expansion slot on both models though. Stand and speakers are availible for almost every monitor out there.
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Key Card upscales to 768P for all models. Only one big slot on either the 505CMX or 507CMX so only one of these bigger cards can be used. There is a smaller expansion slot on both models though. Stand and speakers are availible for almost every monitor out there.


Aha...

Pioneer 5070 accepts 1080p/24 HZ converting it to 1080i/30, I guess. What about the Key Card? Regards.
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As per Chris's enquiry to Key Digital, they do NOT accept 1080p, yet. I don;t know whether BD/HD-DVD players can output 1080i, if they don't, then it's gonna be an issue. May be owners of BD/HD-DVD players can check that and reply to this.

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Aha...

Pioneer 5070 accepts 1080p/24 HZ converting it to 1080i/30, I guess. What about the Key Card? Regards.


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As per Chris's enquiry to Key Digital, they do NOT accept 1080p, yet.

Hm...

Pioneer 5070 accepts 1080p/24 HZ but as a tech from Pioneer explained to me yesterday, converts it to 1080i. The word "accepts" does not mean displays. Fine.

What happens if 507 CMX receives an HDMI signal from say a Blue Ray (PS3 for that matter)? Nothing? A blue/gray screen?

Something should happen given that the following video formats are supported by HD Explorer Key Digital?

720 x 480i @ 60 Hz
720 x 480p @ 60 Hz
1280 x 720p @ 60 Hz
1920 x 1080i @ 60 Hz
720 x 576i @ 50 Hz
720 x 576p @ 50 Hz
1280 x 720p @ 50 Hz
1920 x 1080i @ 50 Hz

Am I missing smth here? Regards.
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what generation panels do the XX7CMX use?

Pioneer''s PDP-505CMX is the consummate professional plasma display, offering the flexibility of Expansion Solutions in a 50" size with 1280x768 resolution. PureVision and the Pure Drive system ensure the image you project is compelling and true-to-source. This fourth-generation panel has true 30-bit processing and is ideally suited for a wide range of professional, personal and public display applications
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"I don;t know whether BD/HD-DVD players can output 1080i"

Of course they do. And they will forever, essentially.

There is no difference in HDMI cables. If you can see the picture without visible dropouts or sparklies, the cable is working at 100%. No other cable will display a better version of that picture. You're simply wrong if you think there is a better digital cable than one that is already working. (Oh, and plasma didn't die because of logistics problems, nor does OLED ship in big boxes because it comes from Korea.)
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"I don;t know whether BD/HD-DVD players can output 1080i"

Of course they do. And they will forever, essentially.


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Just curious as to what people who own these panels think about them. What kind of card are you using, burn in, adjustability, IR, user friendliness, customer support, etc. How do you feel these compare to NEC's, PANNY's, other PIO's or any other PDP for that matter? What did you own before? Looking forward to your responses. Thanks DAN
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Pioneer 5070 accepts 1080p/24 HZ but as a tech from Pioneer explained to me yesterday, converts it to 1080i.

Since the Pioneer panel has a native resolution of 1365x768, it will ultimately display everything in 768 progressive. I am not sure what the tech meant by converting to 1080i.
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Good news/Bad news. The 507CMX are out but the Key Digital HD XPlorer card needs a Firmware update to work with this unit to fully display the 1365 X 768. They are working on a firmware update now. The current card will scale to 1280 X 768 but will work for now. The KD-PC2 card will be out at the end of November and will be fully compatible.
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Just spoke with Key Digital today. They are saying the following:
- The HD Xplorer in its current version (KD-PC1) will only output 1280x768 but this should work fine with the 507
- The firmware upgrade for this card to support 1365x768 native is most likely not coming until end of November at the earliest
- The newer version of the Xplorer (KD-PC2) will be available end of November but will most likely run on the current firmware to begin with (meaning it will not support 1365x768 native to begin with either)
- Key Digital are working hard to get the firmware out to support 1365x768, since they expect demand to be strong for this with the new 507 out

I have a 507 and an HD Xplorer card being shipped to me right now (from Cleveland Plasma) and will test them together in a few days.
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Seems a new Pioneer 1920 x 1080 set is being released in Europe. It is the 5000ex and it has some advanced features. I do not believe this is the FHD1 model we now have here. In the rest of world, they also seem to have 3 new commercial Pioneer panels being released.. The 'pure black panel' is being featured. So, what more do we know about these releases?
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So if you were to compare the PDP-505CMX with the Xplorer card and the PDP-5070HD, which would be a better choice for the best picture quality? Or which would be capable of the best picture quality?
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I have a 507 and an HD Xplorer card being shipped to me right now (from Cleveland Plasma) and will test them together in a few days.


Siment - please let me know your experience with setting up, configuring, and tweaking of this combination as I also have the exact same on the way from the same source (thanks Chris!).

I have the Key card in my hands now and the panel is due on Tuesday ... can't wait!
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[quote=Cleveland Plasma]Well the 505CMX is out now. The 507CMX are just hitting and are the new models. They are so new there is not a whole lot of info on them yet. Key Digital has pretty much the best option as far as a expansion card. However Aurora makes a card too with a tuner.
Add the Key Digital Xplorer Card and you will have a Pioner Elite picture quality with alot more inputs.]


I know the 505cmx is an older panel - however with the Xplorer card it would seem that the video processing is improved. Could you please explain what advantages and disadvantages a 505cmx/Xplorer combo would have versus a new 5070HD.

A lot of the content I'll be watching is S.D. Does the Xplorer card do a better job proccessing 480 than the 5070hd - does that mean better S.D. performance? I'm guessing I'll lose some black level performance with the older panel as well.

Thanks for all the help. I really wish I could view the 505cmx somewhere but I'll have to rely on your comments and opinions.

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The PDP-505CMX is just like the old PDP-5050HD. Not sure if any of your friends have one, but these two panels would have a similar picture over all.

I would say to compare the PDP-505CMX to the PDP-507CMX you would notice a difference of about 10-15% of overall quality. (This is subject to each persons eyes though.) Tough choice considering the price difference is not that great between these two units.
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So, guys, let us know how your new combo looks..the 507cmx plus card. And let us know your source (s).
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I can't wait ... my sources will be a Toshiba HD-A1 and HD cable from Verizon Fios TV. I'm currently viewing the HD-A1 on a Sony 34" widescreen XBR960 (with the fine pitch CRT), which looks great but is too small. Honesltly if the plasma looks equally as good as the XBR960 but just larger in scale, I'll be very happy.
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Thanks for all the help. I really wish I could view the 505cmx somewhere but I'll have to rely on your comments and opinions.

Rick

There's a 505cmx on display at HDTV Warehouse in Orange CT.
Its black levels are very lacking compared to the 5070/6070HD

It is comparable to the current 55" Hitachis. Pretty bad.
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There's a 505cmx on display at HDTV Warehouse in Orange CT.
Its black levels are very lacking compared to the 5070/6070HD

It is comparable to the current 55" Hitachis. Pretty bad.

Thanks for the tips - I'll check it out next time I'm in OC. I wonder if the Xplorer card has any affect on black levels at all.
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Siment - please let me know your experience with setting up, configuring, and tweaking of this combination as I also have the exact same on the way from the same source (thanks Chris!).

I have the Key card in my hands now and the panel is due on Tuesday ... can't wait!

So josh do you have your plasma yet? And if so, what do you think?
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Does anyone have this set yet? If so what do you think. Is anyone getting it to display at it's native rate, if so what card are you using?

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So josh do you have your plasma yet? And if so, what do you think?

I have my set but can't properly evaluate it yet

It turns out that the Key Digital HD Explorer card + Pioneer 507CMX combo is only able to produce 1024x768 at this time. The Key Digital folks were quite surprised when I called to report this ... but it looks like the Pioneer isn't offering 1280x768 as a possible resolution (as they expected it would), so the only other resolution the card can do is 1024x768.

I have to say that the set so far still looks great, but it's a little soft due to the missing pixels and downconversion, so I can't really make any real observations on the performance yet

I'm waiting now for a resolution from Key Digital/Pioneer ... in the meantime Chris is doing me a favor and shipping out the Pioneer add-in video card on Monday so that I can at least see a high def picture on this panel until the HD Explorer card issue is fixed.
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Is Pioneer going to release a card with HDMI for the 507. Or do they want to try and force you into the residential lines to get it. The Key cards are great but I don't need any scaling, just the ability to send native resolution.
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I have my 507 set up with the Key Digital HD Xplorer card now and it sure looks great!

I am experiencing the same challenges as Josh, so I'm currently running the card on 1024x768. The plasma does accept 1280x800, but the HD Xplorer only outputs either XGA (1024x768) or WXGA (1280x768).

My sources are Verizon FIOS HD TV over HDMI, a BOSE DVD player (not HD) over S-Video and a Desktop computer connected directly into the plasma's internal DVI port.

Even though the panel is running at 1024x768, it does look very nice. I was surprised by how sharp and vivid the SD picture from a normal DVD on the BOSE system looked on the screen. I am using the PC for digital pictures and that simply looks awesome. I have an nVidia graphics card on the PC and with the latest nVidia software I am running the 1360x768 resolution. This is plug'n'play and looks so sharp and natural that the people in my pictures seem real! I tried at first to connect the PC to the Xplorer card, but that was pointless. Since the card doesn't support the native resolution yet (firmware expected beginning of December) it just downscaled the picture to 1024x768. It still looked very good, I am impressed by how well it scales the different resolutions, but I was looking for that true 1365x768 resolution so I plugged it into the DVI port instead.

The Xplorer card gives you complete control of most anything, I really like that. You can adjust anything and every setting you make is specific to that port, so every source can be customized.

The only problem I have is that I now have 4 remotes (my wife really likes that...); FIOS, BOSE, 507 and Xplorer... If any of you guys out there have a recommendation for a good (but not too expensive) programmable remote, I'm all ears.


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