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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.


Edit: Here are the instructions from earlier in this thread:
Factory Reset Procedure (Integrator Menu)

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.
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@Cetrian : I was just about to post the tuner fix when I saw your reply. Glad it worked out!
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I had the same issue with my 5070. Had it upstairs for about 7 years with never a single glitch. Moved it to the basement and had the flashing blue light. WTF? With the move I didnt hook up a cable box, just local channels connected. I turned on that TV Guide thing which never worked anyway. Turned that back off and all is well.
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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.
And how does one do that?

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Edited my original post so it's all in one place.

Factory Reset Procedure

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.

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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.


Edit: Here are the instructions from earlier in this thread:
Factory Reset Procedure (Integrator Menu)

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.
Hi
I have a Kuro 5090.
I followed your instructions got to Integrator menu but don't have a display button on my remote.
Could you tell me which button it is please.
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Thanks so much for making this awesome thread. I have been battling with this problem for 2 days and this has been hands down the most informative and helpful link I have found, as it has taken me from "time to get a new TV" to "Ok let's fix this!" and I finally have. Either way I'll document my 40 hours of banging my head against a wall here in case anyone else has this problem. Or in case I haven't actually fixed mine yet and I still need more help Here's the breakdown

Set: Pro-1130HD
MR: Pioneer Pro-R06U
TV: Pioneer Pro-506PU
Application: I have one HDMI cable plugged into the MR going to my windows PC, nothing else.
Issue: 2 days ago the TV turned off, and the MR flashed BLUE LED 12 times. When I turn it back on, it says "Starting Up..." and either turns itself back off, or starts back up and then turns itself back off. Either way, 12 blue led blinks follow.
Research: Google and this forum has led me to believe i need to take the 'TV Guide' feature of this TV out back and shoot it. Hopefully that just means a factory reset.

Solution: First you will need to get into the Factory Service Menu (steps 1-2), and then you need to factory reset the TV (steps 3-5). Some of these sequences seem retarded,
1. Turn the MR to standy with the TV on so that the LED on the TV and the MR are both red.
2. With the Remote Control pointed at the bottom right corner of the TV (where the IR sensor is), Press and release the DISPLAY button, and then wait 3 Seconds. Then press LEFT, UP, LEFT, RIGHT, POWER all within 10 Sec. (took me a few tries, go slow)
3. Press the MUTING button until it says "INITIALIZE" in the top right corner of the screen.
4. Press the UP ARROW until FINAL SETUP appears at the bottom of the screen and then press the ENTER button.
5. Press the LEFT ARROW until the bottom reads "DATA RESET <=> :YES" and then press and HOLD the ENTER button until the TV TURNS OFF.
6. The TV will power cycle, and turn itself back on. Once this happens, turn it back off and on again one more time. A TV GUIDE screen will appear. Select the "never mention this again" option.

Well that's been my experience, hopefully it helps someone out there. My TV is now going on 3 hours without a reset. Hopefully I can get a few more years out of it. I'll be back if it starts acting up again!
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Hi, I own a pdp-4280hd and a blue led is blinking 12 times like many. I read that's a problem with the tv guide. I couldn't used the TV during the last week. It's the 2nd time I have this problem and I don't know what I did to unblock the TV the first time. I think I have to do a factory reset but I don't know how with this model. Any help would be welcomed.
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Tried so much already - no luck,

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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.


Edit: Here are the instructions from earlier in this thread:
Factory Reset Procedure (Integrator Menu)

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.


Please help. I have read the posts on this thread many times over the years and have tried many steps to remedy the 12 flashing blue light syndrome on my Elite 1150HD. For some reason the only thing that has worked was to unplug the unit, press and hold the power button a time or two and leave it unplugged overnight or longer. The 12 blue flashes would only happen after a power outage yet not all power outages. The TV is connected to satellite via HDMI and some aux units like DVD and Apple TV.


My issue is it has happened AGAIN after a brief power outage, 2 seconds at the most, and leaving it unplugged is not working. I have reviewed this thread and tried everything. My issue is I cannot get to the integrated menu mentioned in step 2 in the factory reset process.


I have disconnected the TV from all inputs now.


Here is what happens when I use three different techniques:


On step 2 of the factory reset when the TV powers on I get the "starting up. please wait" message every time instead of the integrated menu.


At this point if I:


A. Press HOME MENU again, I get the HOME MENU and cannot select the tuner setup nor the home gallery features. Interestingly, after 5 seconds or so, the home gallery becomes selectable and when I select it, it says to wait, it is getting information. A few seconds later it turns off and I am greeted with the 12 blue flashes again.


B. When the TV turns on in step 2 and displays the "starting up. please wait" message I press and hold DISPLAY or simply press and release the DISPLAY button, the "starting up. please wait" remains until it decides to turn off and flash 12 blue.


C. If I try step 2 and select HOME MENU while looking at the "starting up. please wait" message, the HOME MENU appears as before. I then press DISPLAY at this point and the "starting up. please wait" message appears. I can toggle back and forth between the HOME MENU and the "starting up. please wait" message by selecting the HOME MENU button and DISPLAY buttons respectively until the TV turns off and gives me 12 blue flashes.


Can anyone clarify how to get to the integrated menu or post a picture of this menu so I might recognize it if it appears?


Does anyone still have the service manual available?


Thank you very much for this forum and your help.
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Unhappy 13 Blinking Lights Pioneer Elite Pro 507PU

I have a Pioneer Elite Pro 507PU, and after many years of not having any trouble with it, it would not come on today and it started with a blinking blue light that flashes 13 times.
I have seen on many forums that peoples TV's have blinked 12 times, but mine is blinking 13 times. I also have not had any luck with any information about how to trouble shoot the 507PU. If anyone out there can tell me how to fix my TV or at least tell me what the 13 blinking lights mean, I would appreciate it.
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At this point if I:


A. ...

B. ...


C. If I try step 2 and select HOME MENU while looking at the "starting up. please wait" message, the HOME MENU appears as before. I then press DISPLAY at this point and the "starting up. please wait" message appears. I can toggle back and forth between the HOME MENU and the "starting up. please wait" message by selecting the HOME MENU button and DISPLAY buttons respectively until the TV turns off and gives me 12 blue flashes.

...
This is exactly my experience with my 5010 FD. The only thing that works for me, and it's an extremely inconvenient solution, is to leave the TV unplugged for a number of days or weeks, at which time it will always come back to life. If I try it daily it never works for some reason, but when it does comes back to life, it always comes back to life after I haven't tried it for days or weeks.

Some months later, an intermittent power outage, no matter how brief, will throw the TV into 12 blinking light mode once again. Most aggravatingly, once the TV is working again, I've been through the Factory reset procedure successfully, but the TV always sets the clock before I get a chance to change it to manual. Once it thinks the clock has been set, you can no longer change the setting to manual.

If the problem really is that a TV costing several thousand dollars won't work at all if it's worthless (even at the time) TV guide feature fails to work properly, that is a programming failure worthy of the programming hall of shame.

I am considering buying a UPS battery backup to allow the TV to stay powered up in standby mode through very short power outages that typically occur while the TV is turned off and in standby mode, but if I'm not mistaken, I'd have to buy a UPS backup rated to carry the full load of 442 Watts that the TV experiences when fully powered up, rather than just the 26 Watts it requires in standby mode.

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This thread is so helpful. Thanks for everyone's input.

SOOO I'm having the same problem as everyone else, "Starting up, please wait".

I'm able to get to the service menu, but the display powers down so fast that I can never quite get to the "initialize" part. Is there any way to prevent this from happening?
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I have the pdp 4280 with 12 blue blinks. If I press/hold the Home Menu button while hitting the side of unit Standby button, in about 20 seconds the unit turns on and says "Starting up Please wait..." After 2 minutes it goes back to the 12 blue blinks.

During the 2 minutes while in this red LED Standby mode, if I power the unit down with that Standby button on the side, the blue disappears and it shuts off, and the constant red LED takes over. I will then have 2 minutes before it reverts back to 12 blue blinks.

At this point I should be able to go in and get into Integrator Mode and disable TV Guide and tell it to stay away, but none of the techniques in the last 2 pages seems to do it. I try and try, then it times out and I have to start all over again.

The SM has this to say:


6.1.2 HOW TO ENTER/EXIT SERVICE FACTORY MODE

How to enter Service Factory Mode
By using a PDP service remote control)
• PDP service remote control : Press [FACTORY] key.
By issuing RS-232C commands )
• During normal Standby mode : Issue [PON] then [FAY].
• During normal operation mode : Issue [FAY].
How to exit Service Factory Mode
By using a PDP service remote control)
• PDP service remote control : press [FACTORY] key.
• Supplied remote control unit : press [HOME MENU] key.
By issuing RS-232C commands)
• Issue [FAN].

How to enter Service Factory Mode by Using the
supplied Remote Control Unit
• Same as previous model. Please refer to the technical document
(Service Know-how).

Since I do not have a Service Factory Remote, I am kinda stuck. I tried getting the SM for the previous model, which I figured would be the 4270, same message. Tried the SM's for the 5070 and 5080 - same message. For the supplied remote, referring to "the technical document (Service Know-how)" is very cryptic. I don't know where to get that document.

What am I missing?



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I have the pdp 4280 with 12 blue blinks. If I press/hold the Home Menu button while hitting the side of unit Standby button, in about 20 seconds the unit turns on and says "Starting up Please wait..." After 2 minutes it goes back to the 12 blue blinks.

During the 2 minutes while in this red LED Standby mode, if I power the unit down with that Standby button on the side, the blue disappears and it shuts off, and the constant red LED takes over. I will then have 2 minutes before it reverts back to 12 blue blinks.

At this point I should be able to go in and get into Integrator Mode and disable TV Guide and tell it to stay away, but none of the techniques in the last 2 pages seems to do it. I try and try, then it times out and I have to start all over again.

The SM has this to say:


6.1.2 HOW TO ENTER/EXIT SERVICE FACTORY MODE

How to enter Service Factory Mode
By using a PDP service remote control)
• PDP service remote control : Press [FACTORY] key.
By issuing RS-232C commands )
• During normal Standby mode : Issue [PON] then [FAY].
• During normal operation mode : Issue [FAY].
How to exit Service Factory Mode
By using a PDP service remote control)
• PDP service remote control : press [FACTORY] key.
• Supplied remote control unit : press [HOME MENU] key.
By issuing RS-232C commands)
• Issue [FAN].

How to enter Service Factory Mode by Using the
supplied Remote Control Unit
• Same as previous model. Please refer to the technical document
(Service Know-how).

Since I do not have a Service Factory Remote, I am kinda stuck. I tried getting the SM for the previous model, which I figured would be the 4270, same message. Tried the SM's for the 5070 and 5080 - same message. For the supplied remote, referring to "the technical document (Service Know-how)" is very cryptic. I don't know where to get that document.

What am I missing?



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This is the same exact problem I ran into with my one 5010. Unfortunately I did not find any way to get it to work so I ended up replacing the main assembly board. The board set me back almost $900 directly from Pioneer and I put the board in myself.
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/
PDP 4280 parts list
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...m=PDP%2D4280HD
It looks like you are at a crossroads, either buy a new board (if available) or scrap the TV and buy a new TV instead.

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Well I was hoping not to have to go there, but a friend of mine is also a tech and has the service remote. I'll try that first.

Thanks for your input, tho. I think Pioneer owes every one of you owners a huge apology. And then some...



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Well I was hoping not to have to go there, but a friend of mine is also a tech and has the service remote. I'll try that first.

Thanks for your input, tho. I think Pioneer owes every one of you owners a huge apology. And then some...



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I just realized that it will be 7 years since Pioneer exited the TV business. I guess they no longer have to supply parts after February of 2016. I wonder if they will auction off the parts that are still available.
Also it will be 8 years in February that the format war ended. It seems time is really going by quickly.

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Thanks for your input, tho. I think Pioneer owes every one of you owners a huge apology. And then some...



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In all likelihood you don't need a new board. Just the EEPROM flashed again. Search E-Bay for "Pioneer 5010 main board" and you should find a guy that does it for around $60. I have a 6010HD and was able to get a refurbished board for $100 (the same as what Pioneer sells for $900). It worked for about 6 months and then I had the same problem. I bought a Panny plasma before I found this guy on E-Bay. I have a friend that's an EE and he inspected my board using the service manual diagrams and came to the same conclusion (i.e. no structural damage). I'd give this guy a shot before spending $900 though as the refurbished boards seem to have dried up as well. Good luck!
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Here is a link to the repair service on ebay. I do not know if this works so you can try at your own risk.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Repair-Servi...item19fdca2153
If you do try it let us know if it works as I will send my old main board to have it repaired.

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FYI, I don't think links to external sites promoting their business are allowed per forum rules bicbw.
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FYI, I don't think links to external sites promoting their business are allowed per forum rules bicbw.

It really don't think it should matter anymore with Pioneer TVs as they haven't been produced in 7 years.
Right now you have two choices for the main assembly board on the 5010/6010 model, pay Pioneer $1027.50 or try the guy on ebay. There is no places that have the boards available.
If the mods want to delete it they can do so. It is just easier to post the link than try to explain how to find the link through a search.
Here is the current price list for parts from Pioneer for the 5010/6010 models:
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...m=PDP%2D5010FD

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It really don't think it should matter anymore with Pioneer TVs as they haven't been produced in 7 years.
Right now you have two choices for the main assembly board on the 5010/6010 model, pay Pioneer $1027.50 or try the guy on ebay. There is no places that have the boards available.
If the mods want to delete it they can do so. It is just easier to post the link than try to explain how to find the link through a search.
Here is the current price list for parts from Pioneer for the 5010/6010 models:
http://parts.pioneerelectronics.com/...m=PDP%2D5010FD

No worries. I was more explaining why I didn't post the link rather than whether or not it should be allowed. As long as there's no affiliation between you and the guy on E-Bay then personally, I think it should be allowed. However, you can see the difficulty in proving that which is why I'm sure the policy is in place. Afterall, the AVScience forum just made the sales reps from the AVS online store (which are not affiliated) remove all links and info from their sigs and avatars.
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No worries. I was more explaining why I didn't post the link rather than whether or not it should be allowed. As long as there's no affiliation between you and the guy on E-Bay then personally, I think it should be allowed. However, you can see the difficulty in proving that which is why I'm sure the policy is in place. Afterall, the AVScience forum just made the sales reps from the AVS online store (which are not affiliated) remove all links and info from their sigs and avatars.

I understand your viewpoint as it is forum rules but in this case there is very few options left to us Kuro owners. Once Pioneer either stops selling parts or runs out of them then the only option left will be this ebay service.
I have no affiliation at all with anybody, I am just posting the available options left to us owners. If AVS wants to remove the link they can do so because it is their site but it will not be any help to those Kuro owners that are members of this forum.
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I have located the service manual to my set, here's the link. Once you click on it, it will take a couple of minutes to download, during which time it will say "Processing..." After that changes to "Get Manual" you can click that and it will open up for you.

Please don't get in there and use this information inappropriately. Be very careful of high voltage and of ANY work you do in there, whether the set is on or off. If off, it will need to be on again before you can benefit from anything you did!

You have to be highly precise about everything you do with these babies!

http://elektrotanya.com/?q=showresul...at2=schematics

I have borrowed the Service Remote and will try to get the set going again, later today. I'll let you know what I find.

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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.


Edit: Here are the instructions from earlier in this thread:
Factory Reset Procedure (Integrator Menu)

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.
Thank you so much for this summary! You saved me from hours of tearing my hair out!
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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:
Thank you so much for this summary! You saved me from hours of tearing my hair out!
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Just completed repair on the aforementioned 4280 with the 12 blinking blue lights. The remote would cause spurious responses, some of which fit the picture and others of which would not. Ultimately the unit kept misleading me, time after time, waiting for responses over and over, would not accept commands to get where that excellent post said it needed to go. So I wrote off the board that was in there and found a board a fellow tech had, who had scarfed it from a unit whose panel had cracked. After installation my unit worked flawlessly, and I was able to use that post to then go in and obliterate all traces of the TV Guide function, slick as a whistle. Had to do that twice, and coached the owner in what to do should that screen show up again.


But I had to replace the board to do it. My tech friend sold it to me for $150, I marked it up accordingly and the customer couldn't be happier. Damn fine looking display, once fixed! Definitely worth the money to get it repaired. Head and shoulders better blacks than the backlit displays of today, that picture is silky smooth.


I still have his board and will be sending it to the ebay place where it can be refurbished for $59, whereupon I'll keep it around for next time.


My thanks also, to all who have contributed to this thread!





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These directions are not quite complete.


"over and over" needs to be added to them. This is NOT a "push and hold" command. It is a "keep pushing the button over and over again" command. As written, that's ambiguous, and ambiguity is never good when you are repairing things.




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3. Press the MUTING button over and over again until it says "INITIALIZE" in the top right corner of the screen. (Just at the top on other models)
4. Press the UP ARROW over and over again until FINAL SETUP appears at the bottom of the screen and then press the ENTER button.
5. Press the LEFT ARROW over and over again until the bottom reads "DATA RESET <=> :YES" and then press and HOLD the ENTER button until the TV TURNS OFF.


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I've been reviewing this in hopes that it's my issue with a 5010. This display has never been connected to an antenna source, or cable TV source. It's DirecTV only.

-Initial symptoms: When viewing the display, it would not respond to the remote or side buttons (volume, etc).

I turned it off with the rear power switch (safety switch?) and back on, no dice.

I unplugged and plugged it back in, and it's normal almost every time.. for hours and indefinite as I can tell. But once I turn it off and back on with the remote, it's in the same broken state.. Sometimes once this happens the picture disappears and blue light stays on. One time during boot I got flashing blue but didn't count the flashes. As long as I unplug and plug fresh each time, it's a normal TV.

The rear physical power switch is also goofy and won't even do anything once it's on the weird non-respond state. Only a physical unplug will turn it off.

Anyways this seems a bit different. I don't have the service remote, so there's no chance of heading down that path, but it sounds like it might not work anyways? I could try to borrow one from a local shop. I could also send the board to the Ebay refurbish folks, but that seems a reach since my symptoms are different.

Any thoughts appreciated.

EDIT: Big update.. I was able to get into the service menu without the service remote. I went ahead with this procedure and I'll see what happens.

For what it's worth, my panel has 2891 hours on it and MTB is 70076H so I guess that is standby time? I'll let everyone know what happens with this and again thanks.

Also.. my favorite part of the 5010 service manual:

How to enter Service Factory Mode by Using the supplied Remote Control Unit
• Same as previous model. Please refer to the technical document (Service Know-how).

Would it hurt to outline the steps?

Hopefully final edit: The fix seemed to work for me, so much thanks to those that blazed the trail. Though my symptoms differed, the cure seemed all the same.

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Good afternoon! I have the same 12 blinking blue light situation. I tried what you recommended but it did not work. Once in a while the tv turns on to a black screen with a error box at the bottom that has an exclamation point and reads plasma screen or something like that. Any suggestions?

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Guys! Very pleased to say that piecing things together in this forum I found the solution! And it cost me $0!!! Thanks so much to everyone here. For those who have arrived here (like I did) after a google search:

1. If you have a 8th gen (8G) 50" Elite (model PRO-1150HD) and your problem is 12 blinking blue LEDs and NOTHING ELSE, then this is 99% also your problem.
2. The issue is with the digital tuner. The main OS shuts the TV down when it has an issue getting its guide info over the air. Remember this set was built during the transition between analog and digital broadcast TV, and has some quirks because of it. You need to do TWO THINGS to prevent this from happening again:
2a. Disable the TV Guide subsystem from running at all. To do that, you need to bring up the "Integrator Menu" or other engineering menus and do the reset. Mine said "reset aborted" but it still worked. Then, you power the TV back on, be patient (it should show up at analog channel 1, then after ~30 sec) it should display a "Welcome your TV has this awesome TV guide feature!" You want to select the last one: never remind me again.
2b. You need to set the clock manually. Hit the home menu, then tuner setup. Arrow over to Clock and set up your time manually.
3. The problem is a lot of these services are simply not broadcast in the same way that the tuner in our TV's was designed to receive it. Turning these off prevents the power-off-12 blink cycle. It had nothing to do with mainboards, power, etc. It was all because I decided to "cut the cord" and plug in an antenna after years of just using this TV as a monitor for my HTPC.

Thank goodness for you great people here at AVSForum. As always, I find the best, most reliable info here. Check out Page 20 for a ton of good 1150HD info on this thread.


Edit: Here are the instructions from earlier in this thread:
Factory Reset Procedure (Integrator Menu)

1 With tv off/in standby....press home menu.
2 Within 3 sec turn tv on , Integrated Menu will appear.
3 Hold Display button until Final Setup appears in the top menu.
4 Arrow left or right until yes appears in lower menu.
5 Hold enter until menu disappears.
6 Wait 1 min.
7 Power tv off and unplug from the wall for 5 or more min.
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Short: Anyone know how to keep the guide from taking back control?

So I am going to give this thread an old bump too (and sorry for resurrecting it). The instructions for accessing the Integrator Menu work great, and once it comes back on I make sure to specify I never remind me again, yet after a day or two the guide takes back over, my clock gets changed and I start back down the road to blinky blue light.
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