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2007-03-30, updated with latest information:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4556010&EDATE=

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http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs...62007100544904

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Panasonic, the leading brand for which Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. is known, announced today it has developed a prototype 42-inch Plasma Display Panel (PDP) with 1080p (progressive) HDTV resolution. The 42-inch 1080p HD Plasma can deliver more than two million pixels (1,920 x 1,080), more than twice the pixel count of a 42-inch HD PDP (1,024 x 768). Panasonic will reveal the prototype at its booth at the 2007 International CES, Las Vegas from January 8 to 11.

Since a Plasma Display Panel is a self-illuminating device, it offers superior characteristics such as dynamic contrast, high moving-picture resolution and wide viewing angles. These characteristics make it an ideal device for large screen TVs. As pixels get smaller, the area they illuminate also becomes smaller. For this reason, the technical challenges in securing brightness and stable discharge made it difficult to obtain 1080p resolution in 42-inch PDPs.

Panasonic has overcome these technical hurdles. By developing a new rib and phosphor materials, Panasonic succeeded in producing smaller ribs. In addition, by improving the aperture ratio, Panasonic succeeded in realizing a 42-inch 1080p HD Plasma with both the high density of two million pixels and the same high brightness as the current 42-inch Panasonic HD model, TH-42PX600. The prototype also incorporates the 1080p HD high-speed pixel drive Panasonic developed for its 1080p HD plasma TVs to ensure stable light emission from all the pixels. These technologies have enabled Panasonic to offer Plasmas in the popular 42-inch size without compromising the high- quality images that only Plasma can deliver.

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great...so if i want a panasonic 1080p AND cable card, i have to get the 65 inch version? theyre dumping cable card on the 700u series????
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Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any information available about technical progress of the new plasmas. So we don't know e.g. whether black level is improved. If not, Pioneer might pull noticably ahead in terms of image quality this year. See here for information about Pioneer's new models:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782695
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like Panasonic has any annoucement of the magnitude of Pioneers'. Looks like substantial improvement in Panny black levels may wait another generation.

Looks like I may take a real close look at the 60" Pioneer.
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Will the new Panny's have HDMI 1.3 spec?

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Looks like I may take a real close look at the 60" Pioneer.

I'm with you there.
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I don't know if this has been said yet, but I got to take a few photos at CES during setup today, and every new Panasonic model I saw is all-black. The cosmetics overall are greatly improved.

Sorry for the low quality, but my ISO settings were wrong and I couldn't tell on the LCD preview screen on my camera. Dumb LCDs

Here are a few shots:
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Are the new Panny's HDMI 1.3???????


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Appears they dropped both the ED and the 37 HD.
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Appears they dropped both the ED and the 37 HD.

Keep in mind (if you're using my photo for reference) that those aren't the only TVs on the walls.

I didn't think to look for the 37 inch, but I did not see any EDTVs. There were not any 42" 1080p plasmas in Panasonic's booth, for those curious folk.

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They don't mention them in the press release.Not really surprised.
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They don't mention them in the press release.Not really surprised.

I'm not either. 37" is being dominated by low-end LCDs price-wise, and EDTVs can't have enough margins left in them to be worth it.

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I'm not either. 37" is being dominated by low-end LCDs price-wise, and EDTVs can't have enough margins left in them to be worth it.

So if the 37" is really gone, then I wonder if we will see a 37" LCD from Panasonic? Or if they will simply sit out of the 37" flat panel market this year (seems unlikely)?

The death of the 42" ED will catch no one by surprise. I would not be surprised if they continue in the commercial lineup for another generation or two though.
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Jan 7 2007 Philips aggressively prices upcoming 1080p 63-inch plasma TV
Philips' big plasma TV has a relatively small price tag.

(Credit: Philips)Vizio is making news at CES 2007 with a $3,000 60-inch plasma TV, but Philips has a big-screen plasma model of its own that it's going to price very aggressively at $3,500 (MSRP) when it arrives in stores in June. At 63 inches, the Philips 63PFP7422D is actually bigger and features 1080p resolution, USB connectivity for displaying digital photo slide shows and MP3 playback, and a motorized swiveling stand. That $3,500 is a suggested retail price, so we expect the real price to be even lower, possibly closer to $3,000. Of course, the Vizio will probably be nearer to $2,500 when it's released, but still, with prices for large-screen plasmas coming down quickly, the demise of the rear-projection TV seems more inevitable.

It's worth mentioning that with this set, Philips is also touting a new picture settings set-up wizard that seems pretty promising. You'll be guided through six preferences, including contrast, sharpness, and color saturation. We've been asking for this sort of wizard in sets for a while, so we're eager to see if it's a gimmick or a simple way for people to calibrate their sets right out of the box, without any help from pricey calibrators.
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I wonder if the Anti-Glare coating is on the two PZ models as well? Wonder why no 58PX77U...
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great...so if i want a panasonic 1080p AND cable card, i have to get the 65 inch version? theyre dumping cable card on the 700u series????

Or get a Series 3 TiVo


Good to see that Panny is making the switch to black.
And it'll be interesting to see what the retail prices on these will be.

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Question: How will this affect the Commercial/Professional displays?

Any news on them?

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PZ700U - 1080p with SD Card
PX77 - 720p + anti-glare + fancy-speaker
PX75 - 720p

Anyone suspect if the PX75/77 is the same as the PX60, just different exterior?

And any news on 3x HDMI?
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(Credit: Philips)Vizio is making news at CES 2007 with a $3,000 60-inch plasma TV, but Philips has a big-screen plasma model of its own that it's going to price very aggressively at $3,500 (MSRP) when it arrives in stores in June. At 63 inches, the Philips 63PFP7422D is actually bigger and features 1080p resolution, USB connectivity for displaying digital photo slide shows and MP3 playback, and a motorized swiveling stand. That $3,500 is a suggested retail price, so we expect the real price to be even lower, possibly closer to $3,000. Of course, the Vizio will probably be nearer to $2,500 when it's released, but still, with prices for large-screen plasmas coming down quickly, the demise of the rear-projection TV seems more inevitable.

I doubt that I'd ever buy a Vizio or a Phillips, but this couldn't help but put downward price pressure on Pioneer and Panasonic that I would buy.

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the glossy black bezel looks fugly on the panny. it still carries alot of bulk in the casing so it just doesent look right. sleek and glossy is good, bulky and glossy is bad. still looks better than last gen though.
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I wonder if the Anti-Glare coating is on the two PZ models as well? Wonder why no 58PX77U...

Hard to tell when I looked at them - they still had the plastic coating over many of the screens.

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I guess they finally got rid of the silver bezels. Just as well, they reminded me of a cheap plastic model. Now, I'll consider Panny...I really like the picture on the Samsungs, but people have been having problems with horrendous buzzing (imagine a buzz that can be heard 10 to 15 feet away with the volume turned up to rather high levels) and burn in.

I think these new models look quite nice. My brother has a 37" Panny plasma and loves it.
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any more pics of these models? can't really get an idea of how they really look like from the pics above (thanks a lot for posting them though, you rock! )
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Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any information available about technical progress of the new plasmas. So we don't know e.g. whether black level is improved. If not, Pioneer might pull noticably ahead in terms of image quality this year. See here for information about Pioneer's new models:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=782695

Link not working for me, but this might just be an issue of relativity.

Panasonic can not claim improved black levels on a 1st generation 1080p plasma. At least not relative to 1080p displays. I guess Pioneer could. Now if Pioneers 2nd gen rivaled their HD lite counterparts, now that would be news.
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I don't know if this has been said yet, but I got to take a few photos at CES during setup today, and every new Panasonic model I saw is all-black. The cosmetics overall are greatly improved.

Sorry for the low quality, but my ISO settings were wrong and I couldn't tell on the LCD preview screen on my camera. Dumb LCDs

Here are a few shots:

Thanks for the photos.

Good gracious I hope they don't go with that high gloss black. I do not care for that look at all
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A side note: Sharp is showing a 108" LCD _alleged at $11k_. Production is said to be summer '07. That would make me think twice about 65" plasma, although I am no fan of LCD.

http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/takah...8-inch-lcd-tv/
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Sharp is showing a 108" LCD _alleged at $11k_.

There's no way on earth a 108" display (regardless of whether it's Plasma or LCD) can be sold for $11k this year. There's definitely a 0 missing in that number. $110k sounds about right.
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There's no way on earth a 108" display (regardless of whether it's Plasma or LCD) can be sold for $11k this year. There's definitely a 0 missing in that number. $110k sounds about right.

I think I read $33k somewhere, but that may have been for the Sony ~70"
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I never thought flat panel TVs would ever get so cheap.

If only houses and cars dropped in price so fast, or at all.

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