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Still no photos?

When I get mine tomorrow I will post some.
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If you can game on this set no problem then I think I'll order one soon!

The new Sammy Plasma's are THE DISPLAY TO GAME ON from my extensive research and hands on playtime with the best Plasma and LCD displays. PS3 works flawlessly over HDMI and The Xbox 360 does as well over VGA/optical connections.

Samsung makes a killer LCD as people know, but their Plasma's are that much better. This is coming from someone who returned a top quality 4096D 1080p Samsung LCD(along with a few other LCD's as well including a Sony and Westinghouse) to upgrade to a 720p Sammy Plasma.

In fact its so good were going to get a matching smaller 42" Sammy 4254 PDP this weekend as well.
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Still no photos?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10262111
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those pics don't like like the 54 series... are they of the 64 series?
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My set comes on Saturday... if all goes well, by Sunday, you'll see pics... of a 4264
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My set comes later on today (4264). Cant wait, hella excited. This will my first PSD. Im coming from a 32" LCD Westy LTV-32w6. I'm pairing it with an Onkyo TX-SR504 with Polk Audio RM6750.

MY first POST!!!! YiiiiPeee
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I'm trying to determine if it's worth the extra few bucks to get the 64 vs. the 54? Everywhere I've read it's very vague. The 54 has Filterbright tech, and the 64 has Ultra Filterbright tech. Unfortunately no stores around me has the 64 yet so I can't see in person but I think having extra glare reduction would be a good thing. Anyone here have the 64 and compared it to the 54 before buying? I don't care so much about the USB port though.

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I'm trying to determine if it's worth the extra few bucks to get the 64 vs. the 54? Everywhere I've read it's very vague. The 54 has Filterbright tech, and the 64 has Ultra Filterbright tech. Unfortunately no stores around me has the 64 yet so I can't see in person but I think having extra glare reduction would be a good thing. Anyone here have the 64 and compared it to the 54 before buying? I don't care so much about the USB port though.

Unless your going to be in a very bright room where you can't control the lighting then I may get the Filterbright Pro. Otherwise Id save the cash and grab the 54.
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Hey, Im about to get the 4254 APR 11, trading it for my broke 4253 from samsung. This will be my baby for a while, and Im kinda new at plasmas so can I get some good pointers for picture settings, break-ins, and all the juicy details I need to know in order to have an excellent experience?

Do you really need to run the plasma for 100 hours before playing video games? Because my Gears of War and Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 will be tempting me tomorrow.

All advice is greatly appreciated.

You guys must not like me or something...
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I was surprised to see the 77U review on Cnet before the set is even available. on a couple of the HT magazine sites, I've seen spring 2006 models reviewed in 2007.

I've been waiting for CNET to review the new samsung 54 and/or 64 series for some time. Their own editorial policies indicate that they review new sets when they are "widely available." The Panasonic review came out before Panasonic had even updated their web site with specs on the new model. CNET finally posted a placeholder page for the hp-t4254 the other day, but it doesn't even have a picture on it. I've now had the 4254 for two weeks and am going to keep it regardless of what CNET says at this point. I just wonder if CNET has a cozier relationship with Panasonic (despite the fact that Samsung is a CNET sponsor) or if it is just that the new pannys are more highly anticipated given market share. Whatever the cause, the delay in reviewing the new sammys seems to be a violation of CNET's own policies.
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My 4254 Sammy has far less glare than the Sony Vega 32" CRT it replaced.
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This is the model I am set on right now, but what is the difference between the 4254 and 4264? The spec sheets from Samsung on each are identical.

Something was mentioned about the HD box and quality, is the HDMI motorola cable box from Comcast no good? I ask because I was interested in the card but was told you couldn't get "On Demand" programming with the card. What's odd is the cable box costs $6 while the card has no fee.
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According to Comcast the standard HD cable box does not include HDMI. Only the DVR model is equipped for HDMI. This is the from two different Comcast reps. we spoke with. By the way the DVR model is $12.00 per month. In other Comcast areas the equipment may be different.
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This is the model I am set on right now, but what is the difference between the 4254 and 4264? The spec sheets from Samsung on each are identical.

64 has USB 2.0 port and Ultra Filterbright. 54 has no USB port, and regular Filterbright.
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64 has USB 2.0 port and Ultra Filterbright. 54 has no USB port, and regular Filterbright.

I see it on the spec sheet now you mention it, thanks. I was thinking for the $300 price difference there would be more of a difference.

I will say I was thoroughly impressed with the PQ on the 4254. Originally interested in Panny's I saw this set next to the Panasonic and was blown away by the difference. Granted the sets were all out of the box with no adjustments however the Samsung was noticably better. I contribute most of the difference in the higher dynamic contrast ratio, I think it really makes a difference.

One other question about the set, I see Samsung has a "powerful ani-burn-in technology" on these new sets. Should one not worry about the 100 hour break-in process? I am still glancing at other 15000:1 contrast ratio sets but for the price, features, and PQ I really think this set is hard to beat.
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My 4254 Sammy has far less glare than the Sony Vega 32" CRT it replaced.

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I see it on the spec sheet now you mention it, thanks. I was thinking for the $300 price difference there would be more of a difference.

I will say I was thoroughly impressed with the PQ on the 4254. Originally interested in Panny's I saw this set next to the Panasonic and was blown away by the difference. Granted the sets were all out of the box with no adjustments however the Samsung was noticably better. I contribute most of the difference in the higher dynamic contrast ratio, I think it really makes a difference.

One other question about the set, I see Samsung has a "powerful ani-burn-in technology" on these new sets. Should one not worry about the 100 hour break-in process? I am still glancing at other 15000:1 contrast ratio sets but for the price, features, and PQ I really think this set is hard to beat.

The 4254 is a hell of a set.

Try these settings in a dark room with minimal TV backlighting, A Spyder2 was used for my calibration works well for HD signals and HDMI input:

Mode set to: "Movie"
Contrast: 75
Brightness: 45
Tint: 50/50
Color: 45

Color temp set to: WARM2

All the processing OFF(there is alot of it in both "Picture" and "set up" screens).
HDMI black level set to LOW.
Power Saving set to: HIGH


I can post detailed settings as well if people want their color that well dialed. Thats where I love the Sypder2.



Hell here it is in order from top to bottom:

Detailed settings:
Colorspace: Auto
Edge Enhancement: Off
Black adjust: off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: 0

WHITE BALANCE control:
This basically allows you to dial in your grayscale tracking on the lower(darker) end.
R Offset: 12
G Offset: 14
B Offset: 14

This basically allows you to dial in the upper end(brighter)of the grayscale.
R Gain: 0
G Gain: 20
B Gain: 30
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Just got my 4264...it's more beautiful and bigger than it was in the store...Even the delivery guys was in aww. I will post pics as soon as I find My digi cam. If you live near a RC Willey I suggest go there and get this set. I paid less than the 4254 retail price for my 4264
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The 4254 is a hell of a set.

Try these settings in a dark room with minimal TV backlighting, A Spyder2 was used for my calibration works well for HD signals and HDMI input:

Mode set to: "Movie"
Contrast: 92
Brightness: 42
Tint: 48/52
Color: 42

Color temp set to: WARM2

All the processing OFF(there is alot of it in both "Picture" and "set up" screens).
HDMI black level set to LOW.
Power Saving set to: HIGH


I can post detailed settings as well if people want their color that well dialed. Thats where I love the Sypder2.



Hell here it is in order from top to bottom:

Detailed settings:
Colorspace: Auto
Edge Enhancement: Off
Black adjust: off
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Gamma: 0

WHITE BALANCE control:
R Offset: 20
G Offset: 0
B Offset: 15
R Gain: 0
G Gain: 30
B Gain: 10


Finally some settings! Thanks. I can't wait to try these out, although the contrast seems very high to me...
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You guys must not like me or something...

Eh, you're alright . If you look through the other threads on these TVs, I think one person broke down and played games before the 100 hours were up, with no bad effect.
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I just picked up the 4254. Out of the box it is a great tv. I replaced a lg 42" lcd and got this one instead. The LG had a bad audio lag and could never dial in to a good picture for me. This 4254 looks 100% better right after turning on. I will be running the break in dvd for now and then will try DVE disk to set it.

Any initial start up tips for the break in period (contrast, Brightness) that anyone can think of. I am a NOOB. The LG LCD was my first HDTV and don't know alot about Plasmas.

PS... One question... after the 100 hours break in period, shouldn't these tv's settings be very similiar for everyone in a room with no lights on?

Just wondering.

Thank you for any suggestions.

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Finally some settings! Thanks. I can't wait to try these out, although the contrast seems very high to me...

Seems real high to me also. I literally turned off some ugly false countouring in Chronicles of Riddick by turning the contrast down.

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here's my humble settings that I obtained using just a THX optimizer and my own eyes. post #63 in this thread in case the link doesn't work.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10240991

And here's another settings reply from Flyfishingdad who's are very similar to mine (post #49)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10212343
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Finally some settings! Thanks. I can't wait to try these out, although the contrast seems very high to me...

eh!, Yeah actually I put in some wrong values. I just edit'd. Also the RGB Offset(which basically adjusts your low level grayscale tracking)and gain(gain basically allows you to adjust the actual colors intensity)settings I originally posted were all fudged up, my bad.

But, I did find that you can pretty much max the contrast on this set without blooming or distortion to the whites. The set's contrast is pretty impressive. Lots of headroom on this set.

So folks, please check my new settings. These calibrations are based off a dark room w/backlighting using the HDMI input AND are also excellent for broadcast HD channels.

So be sure to check back above on my settings.
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here's my humble settings that I obtained using just a THX optimizer and my own eyes. post #63 in this thread in case the link doesn't work.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10240991

And here's another settings reply from Flyfishingdad who's are very similar to mine (post #49)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&#post10212343

Not to be rude, but both of your settings will substantially flatten the picture depth out and also you are getting good amounts of black crush at the same time.

Also concerning White Balance control on the RGB offset/gains, see my picture setting post above. It now gives an explanation of what they actually do.

If your going to use my RGB level settings, then be aware that they are tuned to my brightness/contrast/powersaver modes. Brightness/contrast/powersaver etc all have effects on color and grayscale tracking. So if my settings are used they all need to be used together or not at all.
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Not to be rude, but both of your settings will substantially flatten the picture depth out and also you are getting good amounts of black crush at the same time.

No rudeness taken. Its good info and thank you for it. Even though I think my picture looks good at 50ish contract (I actually have it turned up to about 60 or so for regular TV with the lights on) my definition of "good" is probably a bit off since this TV replaced a junk 14 year old RCA 25" and I have no "real" reference to compare my current picture to. I'm gonna give your settings a try perhaps this evening and see what I get.

One issue, I can't use the HDMI black since I don't have any HDMI sources just yet. Do you think the "regular" black level adjust will accomplish the same basic function? I really have no idea what the difference is between the two.
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No rudeness taken. Its good info and thank you for it. Even though I think my picture looks good at 50ish contract (I actually have it turned up to about 60 or so for regular TV with the lights on) my definition of "good" is probably a bit off since this TV replaced a junk 14 year old RCA 25" and I have no "real" reference to compare my current picture to. I'm gonna give your settings a try perhaps this evening and see what I get.

One issue, I can't use the HDMI black since I don't have any HDMI sources just yet. Do you think the "regular" black level adjust will accomplish the same basic function? I really have no idea what the difference is between the two.

If you don't have an "HDMI" input then that setting is void. Don't even worry about it. Just keep all the processing stuff "OFF" on HD content. On SD TV viewing your more than welcome to try some of the noise reduction settings, but I've don't see a need for it as the tuner on these sets are decent.

Just be aware my settings were taken using a good colorimeter and some good HD test patterns so they are most likely going to be right on target or very close for you. I use these settings for movies,gaming over HDMI and HD content through a coaxial input.
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I'm looking at getting the 50" model soon. The reason I'm going for Samsung rather than Panasonic is due to the PC Input. Anybody tried this input with a computer or an Xbox 360? Also, does this TV have some sort of 1:1 mode? I'd like to feed it a signal from a computer and get 1:1 pixel mapping. I know from experience that this is difficult or next to impossible with the 1366x768 resolution and a digital connection so I was hoping somebody has tried it with the VGA connection.

Also, anyone got a picture of the remote?
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I'm looking at getting the 50" model soon. The reason I'm going for Samsung rather than Panasonic is due to the PC Input. Anybody tried this input with a computer or an Xbox 360? Also, does this TV have some sort of 1:1 mode? I'd like to feed it a signal from a computer and get 1:1 pixel mapping. I know from experience that this is difficult or next to impossible with the 1366x768 resolution and a digital connection so I was hoping somebody has tried it with the VGA connection.

Also, anyone got a picture of the remote?

I can answer all your questions.

Yes it does 1:1 pixel mapping, and it does it over PC(VGA) and HDMI, its called "Just scan" in the menu under aspect ratio.

I run a PS3 and a 360 through my 54. Works flawless over both connections.
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Eh, you're alright . If you look through the other threads on these TVs, I think one person broke down and played games before the 100 hours were up, with no bad effect.

That was me. I've been gaming on it a couple hours a day and then just leaving it on HD/SD full screen channels for a couple hours afterwards, just in case.
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