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Figured I would start it since nobody else did. Anyway, I have the 42px75u and figured this would be a good place for people with these models to come and share settings/comments/suggestions etc.
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Anybody know what the colored buttons on the remote do besides SD card display functions? They seem pretty prominent on the remote and have almost zero functional use.

I'm pleased that the aspect ratio control on the 75U is smart (compared to the 6U) in that it internally detects SD vs. HD signals and changes from FULL to 4:3 (pillarbox) automatically. Keeps me from cycling through the aspect ratio iterations manually so often. The response time in changing aspect ratio is also very fast.

Is the 3D Y/C filter grayed out on the 42-PX75U settings display because it doesn't exist on this model? It's mentioned in the manual but the manual also applies to the 50".

I think this generation of Panasonic's plasmas do more signal processing than last year's models. I'm going to have to do more observation and research before I can determine what my brain tells me that I'm seeing (scaling seems to be a bit "off" but only visible with on-screen fonts like news broadcasts). So far the purple snake issue is nonexistent on my set. I know because my last set was cursed with them. My first impression was that the PQ wasn't as crisp as my old 6U and the heavier signal processing was implemented in part to fix the snakes, reminiscent of the warnings of PQ decreases on the 6-series "heavy duty" D-board replacement.

Overall pleased with the 75U and waiting to see what the communitiy learns about the product, what issues (and fixes) arise in the near future, and what the heck these colored buttons can do
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Is anyone having problems with audio (cutting in and out) via HDMI? I only have the Dish box hooked up to it for now (bedroom TV).

I was just wondering before I start disconnecting equipment from my other TV to hook up to this one so I can see if it's the set or the box.
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Coloured buttons are for the EZsync functionality with other Panasonic EZsync products such as their HTIBs, DVD players, etc, etc. Lets you do it all with one remote.

When you press the EZsync button and you have another EZsync product you will see menus appear on the TV screen to give you control over that device. The coloured buttons give you different controls and they vary based on the product connected.
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just tried the SD card gallery player and its horribly slow.

anyone try a high speed or SDHC card?
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What is the difference between these models and the TH-42PE77U?
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The PE is "Enhanced Def" not "High Def"
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The PE is "Enhanced Def" not "High Def"

The PE is not Enhanced Def; it's HD (768p) just like the PX75U and PX77U. It has a completely different cabinet than the other models EDIT - It's since been determined that the PE77 Cabinet is not like in the early pictures - it shares the cabinet with the PX77U but has a matte black bezel, not shiny like the PX77U. And the PE has a variation of the older duck-foot table stand. There's not much information right now, but it appears that this might be a special model for the big-box stores like Costco etc.

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Information is available if you call Panny directly which I did and was told that the PE model is "Enhanced Def".
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Have any of you calibrated this set yet? Do you need to break this set in? Is Image retention an issue? I am probably getting this set in a month or two and am very interested in your reviews.
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Guys, please post your current TV settings. Here are my settings for the TH50PX77U:

I like this as of now:
Picture Mode: Standard (Changed defaults)
Picture: +20
Sharpness +15
everything else 0
Color Temp: Normal
Color Management: Off
Video NR: Off
3D Y/C filter: On
MPEG NR: Off

firefox1, no I haven't done any calibration. Waiting to get an Avia dvd. Not planning on doing anything special for break-in. Will be care about logos, aspect ratios etc but nothing else..
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Information is available if you call Panny directly which I did and was told that the PE model is "Enhanced Def".

That may be, but the manual posted here http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPER.../TH42PE77U.PDF seems to indicate it's an HDTV. This could be an example of the fairly common practice of one hand not knowing what the other is doing.
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Information is available if you call Panny directly which I did and was told that the PE model is "Enhanced Def".

Panasonic's telephone CSRs are morons and have no idea about anything related to Panasonic products. They are the LAST place i would ever go for information.

The owners manual for this set says it High Definition and the spec sheet lists the resolution as 1024 x 768p like i said before. Download it and see for yourself

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The PE is not Enhanced Def; it's HD (768p) just like the PX75U and PX77U. It has a completely different cabinet than the other models, and has a variation of the older duck-foot table stand. There's not much information right now, but it appears that this might be a special model for the big-box stores like Costco etc.

This is correct.

IE:
PE700 = PZ700 with perhaps fewer features and different cosmetics.
PE77 = PX77 with perhaps fewer features and different cosmetics.
PE75 = PX75 with perhaps fewer features and different cosmetics.

Panels remain identical.

And Randy, Panasonic USA CSRs might be morons, I take pride in knowing my stuff
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Panasonic's telephone CSRs are morons and have no idea about anything related to Panasonic products. They are the LAST place i would ever go for information.

The owners manual for this set says it High Definition and the spec sheet lists the resolution as 1024 x 768p like i said before. Download it and see for yourself

OK, I stand corrected I will stay away from the morons.
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Have any of you calibrated this set yet? Do you need to break this set in? Is Image retention an issue? I am probably getting this set in a month or two and am very interested in your reviews.

My set was calibrated by ChaseRiver Calibrations. All inputs (DVD, OTA HD, HTPC) look great. I really like this set except for its sound. There is a noticeable volume difference between OTA content and commercials.
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I really like this set except for its sound. There is a noticeable volume difference between OTA content and commercials.

I noticed the same thing...but I pipe audio right from my STB to my reciever, so in my case it can't be the TV's sound. I think I've seen other threads that complain about sound differentials between HD stations and regular stations, and between content and commercials.
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This problem has existed for a while. It has nothing to do with the TV. It has much to do with audio level variation in programming, SD vs HD vs commercials.
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Yea, I know. My TV does t he same thing and its a 27" CRT tv. (I havent bought my plasma yet) It will be quiet as a mouse on one station, then I turn the channel and BAM, it sounds twice as loud. I think it is the signal and not the TV.
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Just got the 42PX75U yesterday!
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Thinking of talking my dad into purchasing the 75U. He really wants the old 60 or 600 because he likes the silver bezel but they are hard to find and often more expensive. I was wondering what the sound quality is like on the 75U given the smaller speakers etc?
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I'll post my settings after I've broken the set in, but I'm pretty satisfied with viewing cable tv from the STB via HDMI on Custom, Warm, Light Black Level, Brightness at or around +7, and Picture at +15, everything else 0.

One PQ issue: skin tone often looks way too ruddy and tan, like people are made of the red clay. I thought "clayface" applied to the smearing of faces because of a sharpness setting, but might what I'm seeing be "clayface?" It was especially prevelant during the SNL 90s special on Sunday May 6 in HD. I'm hesitant to play with the red push and other service menu options, but isn't there a red push fix for clayface on the 6-series?

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Thinking of talking my dad into purchasing the 75U. He really wants the old 60 or 600 because he likes the silver bezel but they are hard to find and often more expensive. I was wondering what the sound quality is like on the 75U given the smaller speakers etc?

I almost always run sound through my 5.1 receiver, but I tried out the internal speakers for a minute or two the other night just to hear them. I didn't get much of an experience before my wife asked that I turn the surround sound on again. Take that for what its worth.
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One PQ issue: skin tone often looks way too ruddy and tan, like people are made of the red clay. I thought "clayface" applied to the smearing of faces because of a sharpness setting, but might what I'm seeing be "clayface?" It was especially prevelant during the SNL 90s special on Sunday May 6 in HD. I'm hesitant to play with the red push and other service menu options, but isn't there a red push fix for clayface on the 6-series?

You took the words right out of my mouth. I see ruddy faces, they seem like they've either been drinking too much (redface) or in the sun too much (tanface).

Like you, I'm not sure if this is clayface, since it's not a sharpness issue. Also like you, I'm hesitant to mess with the service menu. I notice that a lot of owners move their tint setting into the negatives...but that would just make this worse.

However, having observed this for a month now, I have a (lame) theory. I only seem to see ruddyface on HD channels showing things like dramas and comedies. I do not see it on DVDs. I do not see it on Standard Def. I do not see it on HD movies. I do not see it on HD "reality" shows like documentaries. So I'm starting to think I may just be sensitive to the excessive "base" makeup used for studio-style TV production. Such makeup isn't as visible on a SD signal, and isn't used for movies or documentaries.

Unfortunately, I only half-believe my own theory. I'd love to see a technical solution to this, if it ends up being an actual problem with the TV.
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It is not uncommon to find that different stations (and even same station with different shows) vary from the so called standards that you would expect them to follow.

I personally own a Pioneer 6070 and find that setting color intensity (saturation) to a lower value provides a better overall picture. Generally, I don't notice slight undersaturation nearly as much as oversaturation as in the ruddy complexions that is being discussed here. Also, it would be a good idea to try to calibrate the image using the DVE HD if you have it. That is a good starting point, but keep in mind that its ok to vary the settings if that improves the picture.

Later this morning, my girlfriend's 42PX75U is scheduled to be delivered. I'm here house sitting waiting for the delivery guys. Very eager to get my mits on the remote and see what I can do in the user menu.

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You took the words right out of my mouth. I see ruddy faces, they seem like they've either been drinking too much (redface) or in the sun too much (tanface).

Like you, I'm not sure if this is clayface, . . .

I don't think it is. Clayface is when the skin lacks detail and has large patches of uniform color, just like a crude sculpture made of . . . clay! It's really unmistakable when you see it, so if you've seen some problem that you are *wondering* if it's clayface, it isn't.

But it's true that clayface and too-red or too-tan skintones seem to go together.

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Cool, finally our own thread!

I took delivery of my 50PX77U yesterday and had it set up with the new Oppo 981HD DVD player, playing the break-in DVD in the living room over HDMI. Everything is plugged into a Surge Protector (that's a must)

Set-up is temporarily on it's stand while I break it in for the 200 or so hours. All my settings are low (-10 on Brightness and Picture, all others are at 0), and just looking at the various red, green blue shades while it burns in.

I also can't believe how cool this thing runs - not hot at all.

This is one nice looking set!

Panny Direct did a fine job - no problems. They unboxed it for me before signing for it.

I'll post back once I get to hang it on the wall an fire up a DVD or watch some HD programming.
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Hey guys, I'm having a tough time deciding on buying either a 75U or HP's PL4260N.

I just have a question. Can someone post up pics....and are you all satisfied with your panny plasmas?
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Hey guys, I'm having a tough time deciding on buying either a 75U or HP's PL4260N.

I just have a question. Can someone post up pics....and are you all satisfied with your panny plasmas?

I gotta say so far, I'm really enjoying mine, and I came from a 36" HD XBR CRT, which had amazing PQ. I also like that out of the box, the Cinema mode is pretty close as far as grayscale goes.

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I have the 50PX75U. I love it. I calibrated it with DHE. At first i thought it was alittle dark but know I love it. No issues at all with picture quality..I think its slightly better than the 50PX60U I had for 3 weeks.

Here are my calibrated settings.


Picture Mode: Standard
Picture: +18
Brightness +6
Sharpness -7
Colour -3
Tint +3
Color Temp: Normal
Color Management: Off
Video NR: On
3D Y/C filter: On
MPEG NR: On
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We get a lot of sunlight from a wall of glass in the back of the living room. We see relections on the our tube TV and I am concerned about a plasma. Because of the reflection issue I am looking at the Pany 77u. Anyone have any observations?

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