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post #181 of 4325 Old 07-15-2007, 03:41 PM
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TKandil, so what do you think?

Well, I have been playing with the Samsung 5084 non-stop for 2 days. Here is my review:
Things I love:
1. Watching blu-ray in 1080P is FANTASTIC!! I am speechless. I used to be a big LCD guy, but this bad-boy has converted me. I watched Casino Royale and the colors, clarity, and contrast were tops. No complaints

2. I play PS3 games and I played Ninja Gaiden Sigma for about 10 minutes (I was worried about image retention) and it is again spectacular. I get so amazed about how awesome the picture is I forget to play the game. No complaints

Things I like:
1. I have DirecTv with HD service and the 10 or so channels they have all look VERY NICE. I watched a band play live on HDNET and it felt like I was in the audience. The movie channels are nice in HD and I was once again happy with the picture. No complaints

Things that make me not sleep well:
1. The SD picture through DirecTV is tough to watch on SOME channels. I HAVE to get some help calibrating this thing, because I know it can look better. There are many settings that can be adjusted and I am debating if I should spend another few hundred dollars to get a pro to help. I will call Samsung first and ask for help.

Perhaps I am spoiled and would like every channel to look like the HD (not possible), but I will work on this and post the result.

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I have an ONKYO 7.1 surround so I didn't really hear the sound quality for more than 10 minutes. It seemed good, but I will not comment further on it

I watched a few replays of NFL games from last season in HD and there was no blurring or pixelation during fast-moving action. This is the main reason I purchased this TV as opposed to an LCD which can really irk me. Though they (LCD) are getting better.

I put the TV in my "BRONCOS" room which does not get much sunlight so glare wouldn't be a problem in the first place, but even when I turn on the 3 lamps I have in the room there is absolutely no problem with glare. At least that my eyes can see.

If anybody has any specific questions for me on the 5084, I would be glad to help. Lord knows I have got more than my share of good buying advice from forums so fire away.
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I for one - the more I watch Blu-ray and upconverted SD DVDs the more I love this set!!!!!!

Could you share your picture settings for the 5084? How do you like the SD channels?
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Can you please look at some channels with tickers like CNN or ESPN etc, with the signal coming from a cable box/directv? Do you see any judder/stutter/dropped frame issues where the scrolling text seems to jump ahead every 4 seconds like it does on the 5054/5064 ? Thanks.

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Well, I have been playing with the Samsung 5084 non-stop for 2 days. Here is my review:
Things I love:
1. Watching blu-ray in 1080P is FANTASTIC!! I am speechless. I used to be a big LCD guy, but this bad-boy has converted me. I watched Casino Royale and the colors, clarity, and contrast were tops. No complaints

2. I play PS3 games and I played Ninja Gaiden Sigma for about 10 minutes (I was worried about image retention) and it is again spectacular. I get so amazed about how awesome the picture is I forget to play the game. No complaints

Things I like:
1. I have DirecTv with HD service and the 10 or so channels they have all look VERY NICE. I watched a band play live on HDNET and it felt like I was in the audience. The movie channels are nice in HD and I was once again happy with the picture. No complaints

Things that make me not sleep well:
1. The SD picture through DirecTV is tough to watch on SOME channels. I HAVE to get some help calibrating this thing, because I know it can look better. There are many settings that can be adjusted and I am debating if I should spend another few hundred dollars to get a pro to help. I will call Samsung first and ask for help.

Perhaps I am spoiled and would like every channel to look like the HD (not possible), but I will work on this and post the result.

Other tidbits:
I have an ONKYO 7.1 surround so I didn't really hear the sound quality for more than 10 minutes. It seemed good, but I will not comment further on it

I watched a few replays of NFL games from last season in HD and there was no blurring or pixelation during fast-moving action. This is the main reason I purchased this TV as opposed to an LCD which can really irk me. Though they (LCD) are getting better.

I put the TV in my "BRONCOS" room which does not get much sunlight so glare wouldn't be a problem in the first place, but even when I turn on the 3 lamps I have in the room there is absolutely no problem with glare. At least that my eyes can see.

If anybody has any specific questions for me on the 5084, I would be glad to help. Lord knows I have got more than my share of good buying advice from forums so fire away.

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Can you please look at some channels with tickers like CNN or ESPN etc, with the signal coming from a cable box/directv? Do you see any judder/stutter/dropped frame issues where the scrolling text seems to jump ahead every 4 seconds like it does on the 5054/5064 ? Thanks.

Ok, I took a look at probably every channel with a streaming ticker and I saw NO evidence of judder or dropped frame issues. CNN, MSNBC, ESPN, ESPN HD, NFL Network all looked smooth with no problem. I watched them in HD and SD and both are the same. No judder issue that i can detect.

I even checked out a super-fast streaming ticker for stocks on CNBC World. I imagine the ticker moves so fast because of stock prices changing quickly and there are so many to display. It is DirecTV channel 357 and it handles it fine. Check it out and see how fast this ticker is moving. No problem that i can tell from this set.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks for taking to time to answer some questions
This is a really nice TV with tons of features
I been holding back on buying it coz of no support for 1080p@24
Do you notice any jitter problems on blue Ray 1080p/24 stuff or do you feel its a non issue ?

Also how does the Just mode handle SD ?

Have you tried hooking up your pc and watching tv at the same time
I was hoping I could watch tv and have my pc like running on the side important feature for me can you comment on that
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That's great news! Thanks for checking it out so quickly.

Someone else mentioned 1080/24p judder. I was at CC yesterday, and they had the opening sequence of "Sahara" playing. I did see some judder on the slowly panning shot, which pans acroos lots of news clippings on a wall. Now, I have no idea how the tv was setup. It may not have even been in Movie mode! If you have access to this movie, it would be a nice test as well.

BTW, I am not sure if you have any experience with the 5054/5064. If you do, can you compare picture quality, colors etc? IMO the 5054 had a beautiful picture, only marred by this ticker judder issue.


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Ok, I took a look at probably every channel with a streaming ticker and I saw NO evidence of judder or dropped frame issues. CNN, MSNBC, ESPN, ESPN HD, NFL Network all looked smooth with no problem. I watched them in HD and SD and both are the same. No judder issue that i can detect.

I even checked out a super-fast streaming ticker for stocks on CNBC World. I imagine the ticker moves so fast because of stock prices changing quickly and there are so many to display. It is DirecTV channel 357 and it handles it fine. Check it out and see how fast this ticker is moving. No problem that i can tell from this set.

Hope this helps.

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How many times does this question have to be answered? That is what search is for.

One word answer again - NO


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Can you please look at some channels with tickers like CNN or ESPN etc, with the signal coming from a cable box/directv? Do you see any judder/stutter/dropped frame issues where the scrolling text seems to jump ahead every 4 seconds like it does on the 5054/5064 ? Thanks.

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TKandil

Thanks for taking to time to answer some questions
This is a really nice TV with tons of features
I been holding back on buying it coz of no support for 1080p@24
Do you notice any jitter problems on blue Ray 1080p/24 stuff or do you feel its a non issue ?

Also how does the Just mode handle SD ?

Have you tried hooking up your pc and watching tv at the same time
I was hoping I could watch tv and have my pc like running on the side important feature for me can you comment on that

Just finished watching "Letters from Iowa Jima" in Movie Mode and there is ALOT of fast-moving shots and huge explosions that shake the camera. There was no evidence of "jitter problems" or pixelation of any kind. It was awesome. I am smiling thinking about how cool it was with 7.1 surround. I will never go to the movies again. I really LOVE this TV the more I put it to the test. I have 30 days to return it so trust me I am going all out until then. The 1080p/24 issue is not relevant with this TV. Trust me I was looking for something to B**** & moan about and I just can't find it. But rest assured I will continue to look.

As far as the JUST MODE, its not my favorite setting but it looks OK in SD. I think it is supposed to be for HD signals. The manual states "Use this function to see the full image without any cutoff when DTV or HDMI 720p/1080i/1080p signals are input." If looks fine, but I prefer 16:9 or WIDE MODE for HD. Its the bees knees.

My PC is in another room so I haven't seen the PIP with this option. Sorry. But I will be moving my PC to that room to help with calibration when my CD arrives from Amazon.
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That's great news! Thanks for checking it out so quickly.

Someone else mentioned 1080/24p judder. I was at CC yesterday, and they had the opening sequence of "Sahara" playing. I did see some judder on the slowly panning shot, which pans acroos lots of news clippings on a wall. Now, I have no idea how the tv was setup. It may not have even been in Movie mode! If you have access to this movie, it would be a nice test as well.

BTW, I am not sure if you have any experience with the 5054/5064. If you do, can you compare picture quality, colors etc? IMO the 5054 had a beautiful picture, only marred by this ticker judder issue.

I am sorry, but I do not have "Sahara" on blue-ray but I have watched 3 or 4 films in blu-ray ("Casino Royale", "Letters from Iowa Jima", and "The Prestige") and I have not noticed any of this judder in any scene. I have been looking with my girlfriend and she can't see it either. I have only watched them in DYNAMIC or MOVIE MODE and not STANDARD though.

I have seen the 5054/5064 and I would say this (5084) PQ exceeds both models. Its colors are vivid & precise and that is without trained calibration.

I consider myself pretty tech savy and I have seen so many sets I could work for CR or CNET. HA! Fellas I am looking for problems with this one and I can't find any biggies. Like I said before, I have 30 days for a full refund so I will work hard to find something that prompts me to take it back. I am a glass is half-empty kinda guy. I guess I just have to admit SAMSUNG knocked it out of the park with this one. I mean it is breaking windows in the parking lot people. Ok, I'll stop now.
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I am sorry, but I do not have "Sahara" on blue-ray but I have watched 3 or 4 films in blu-ray ("Casino Royale", "Letters from Iowa Jima", and "The Prestige") and I have not noticed any of this judder in any scene. I have been looking with my girlfriend and she can't see it either. I have only watched them in DYNAMIC or MOVIE MODE and not STANDARD though.

I have seen the 5054/5064 and I would say this (5084) PQ exceeds both models. Its colors are vivid & precise and that is without trained calibration.

I consider myself pretty tech savy and I have seen so many sets I could work for CR or CNET. HA! Fellas I am looking for problems with this one and I can't find any biggies. Like I said before, I have 30 days for a full refund so I will work hard to find something that prompts me to take it back. I am a glass is half-empty kinda guy. I guess I just have to admit SAMSUNG knocked it out of the park with this one. I mean it is breaking windows in the parking lot people. Ok, I'll stop now.

I noticed at the stores that on a 720p hd signal, the 5084 looked a little blurry compared with the other tvs. I also noticed that the skin tones looked reddish and not natural. Have you found either of these observations to be issues on your tv? Were you able to fix the skin tones with appropriate calibration? I noticed that the skin tones on the Panasonics all seemed more natural to me. Thanks in advance.
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In another thread, someone mentioned that 1080/24p Blu Ray transfers typically have inherent judder. Playing it back on a PS3 with 24p output on a pio 5080 with 24p input capability seemed to solve that problem.

What kind of blu ray player are you using? My guess is that with a set that does rate conversion up to 1080/60p you would not see any appreciable judder. FWIW, I loved the picture on the 5054, so if this set exceeds it, I would be very happy with it. I've been debating between the pioneer 5080 and the samsung 5084, because of a similar price point, and can't seem to make up my mind!

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I am sorry, but I do not have "Sahara" on blue-ray but I have watched 3 or 4 films in blu-ray ("Casino Royale", "Letters from Iowa Jima", and "The Prestige") and I have not noticed any of this judder in any scene. I have been looking with my girlfriend and she can't see it either. I have only watched them in DYNAMIC or MOVIE MODE and not STANDARD though.

I have seen the 5054/5064 and I would say this (5084) PQ exceeds both models. Its colors are vivid & precise and that is without trained calibration.

I consider myself pretty tech savy and I have seen so many sets I could work for CR or CNET. HA! Fellas I am looking for problems with this one and I can't find any biggies. Like I said before, I have 30 days for a full refund so I will work hard to find something that prompts me to take it back. I am a glass is half-empty kinda guy. I guess I just have to admit SAMSUNG knocked it out of the park with this one. I mean it is breaking windows in the parking lot people. Ok, I'll stop now.

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My guess is that with a set that does rate conversion up to 1080/60p you would not see any appreciable judder.

A multiple of 24 is the ideal ( 1080/72 =3*24 ), else the processor must make up a couple of frames itself.
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In another thread, someone mentioned that 1080/24p Blu Ray transfers typically have inherent judder. Playing it back on a PS3 with 24p output on a pio 5080 with 24p input capability seemed to solve that problem.

What kind of blu ray player are you using? My guess is that with a set that does rate conversion up to 1080/60p you would not see any appreciable judder. FWIW, I loved the picture on the 5054, so if this set exceeds it, I would be very happy with it. I've been debating between the pioneer 5080 and the samsung 5084, because of a similar price point, and can't seem to make up my mind!

I am using a PS3 for Blu-Ray and this may indeed be the case.

Look, I know how difficult it is to make a decision about what TV to purchase when you are talking about $3000 or so. Where are you planning to buy? Part of the reason I went to CC is that I can bring it back within 30 days for a full refund. They matched Amazon's price and gave me a full 5 year warranty for the less than the price of a 3 year. I got a real good deal, but I had to work for it.

I recommend taking your time and wait till CNET reviews the Sammy 5084. Then maybe you will feel more confident with your choice. I have seen the Pioneer 5080 and its a very nice set. I don't think you can go wrong with either
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TKandil, what were your reasons for getting the 5084 over the pio 5080 (if you thought they were both good)?

My viewing distance is about 12 feet, but I keep telling myself I need 1080p for future proofing, for Blu Ray and HD content at 1080p, for PC gaming like flight sim etc. (I'm not sure where I'm going to find the time for all these wonderful pastimes though )

We usually don't watch in complete darkness, so I keep telling myself that I won't benefit from the pio's lower black levels. I do like the samsung's sharpness and color pop, which seem similar to the pio for me. Do you think I'm thinking logically here? The 1080p pio coming in Sept is too rich for me...
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Hi, I am an ISF calibrator working out of the Washington D.C. area and I'd like to make the following offer on a first-come-first-serve basis.

I'd like to get some hands-on experience with this new Samsung 1080p plasma, so I will calibrate one of these plasmas free of charge. Just send me a PM.

I'm legit. I post on AVS regularly and you can look me up on the ISF web site. I work out of Rockville, Maryland.

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I believe this is a better solution to the pricier 65PX600U. This could be the Panasonic killer to lower the prices on 1080p 60" models and above.

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Is anyone using an Xbox 360 via VGA? If so, what kind of picture adjustments does the 5084 offer for the VGA input? Lastly just to clarify the panel will accept 1920x1080 via VGA, yes? Thanks in advance.
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TKandil, what were your reasons for getting the 5084 over the pio 5080 (if you thought they were both good)?

My viewing distance is about 12 feet, but I keep telling myself I need 1080p for future proofing, for Blu Ray and HD content at 1080p, for PC gaming like flight sim etc. (I'm not sure where I'm going to find the time for all these wonderful pastimes though )

We usually don't watch in complete darkness, so I keep telling myself that I won't benefit from the pio's lower black levels. I do like the samsung's sharpness and color pop, which seem similar to the pio for me. Do you think I'm thinking logically here? The 1080p pio coming in Sept is too rich for me...

scsnospam I know what you are dealing with and I will tell you my reasoning. First off this is my 1st plasma TV as I've owned about 4 different LCDs all made by Samsung. I was tired of watching my Broncos play with a screen that pixelates during fast-moving action. I am super sensitive to this and it was really taking away from the whole AV experience. So, I went with plasma. I talked with a friend of a friend who does ISF calibration and he said he would go with the 5084 over the Pioneer 5080. Don't get me wrong he said either TV is phenomenal but gave the slight edge to the Sammy. He has worked on both by the by.
I also wanted 1080p for max resolution on blu-ray. I know resolution isn't always the most important factor as far as PQ, but 15,000-1 contrast sure as heck is(according to my tech guy). I also liked the image retention prevention and repair features. I don't think the Pioneer has this, but I may be wrong.
Your reasoning is good, just be sure you have a good feed going in and I promise you it will not be a let-down.
My recommendation is to buy the Sammy from a local store, one with at least a 30-day full return policy (NO 15% restocking fee) and play with the 5084. If you like it, keep it. Or return it and buy it online if you wanna save some dough.
Samsung has offered to send a tech out for free calibration (since my buddy's friend is hard to get a hold of) and their customer service was very enjoyable to deal with. The tech I talked to knew his stuff and did not rush my many questions.
What cable/satellite provider to you have? If you have DirecTv, the Samsung guy told me to be sure your signal strength is between 85-90% for the best possible PQ. I had to adjust my dish (from 75%) and the PQ is top-notch. Good Luck and let me know what you decide.
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TKandil, thanks for your thoughts. I think I'm going to get the 5084. Other people have also recommended 1080p for gaming, so I figure I can't go too wrong

Yes, I do want to purchase from CC locally. I had earlier purchased a 5054 from them at an unbelievable price, but had to return it on account of the news ticker judder issues. The 5084 is 50% more in price currently, so I may wait for prices to fall in another 1 - 3 months.

I have comcast cable, so signal strength should not be an issue. It wasn't with the 5054. BTW, how did you convince samsung to give you a free calibration? I was planning on using a computer to cal the unit myself at some point...
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Hi, I am an ISF calibrator working out of the Washington D.C. area and I'd like to make the following offer on a first-come-first-serve basis.

I'd like to get some hands-on experience with this new Samsung 1080p plasma, so I will calibrate one of these plasmas free of charge. Just send me a PM.

I'm legit. I post on AVS regularly and you can look me up on the ISF web site. I work out of Rockville, Maryland.

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What can the new video HD processers in the 1.3 AV receivers do for the 5084? Does using the processors in the receiver actually help in the up conversion of lower formatts to the 5084 or will the 5084 do it effectively any way? Audio aside is it worth the expense ?
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What can the new video HD processers in the 1.3 AV receivers do for the 5084? Does using the processors in the receiver actually help in the up conversion of lower formatts to the 5084 or will the 5084 do it effectively any way? Audio aside is it worth the expense ?


I would say it is worth the expense if you are looking to get the high-def audio formats, though you did say audio aside but that is the big benefit of HDMI 1.3 in a receiver. Otherwise, if you get one of the receivers with the Reon video processor it should do a better job of scaling than the panel itself. From what I've read the Reon processors have taken the top spot for scalers away from the mighty Faroudja (sp?) chip sets. If you are looking for something better than that, then you would be looking at a dedicated external scaler which can be quite pricey on its own.
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Does anybody know when the 58" version of this set will be released?
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Does anybody know when the 58" version of this set will be released?

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I also wanted 1080p for max resolution on blu-ray. I know resolution isn't always the most important factor as far as PQ, but 15,000-1 contrast sure as heck is(according to my tech guy). I also liked the image retention prevention and repair features. I don't think the Pioneer has this, but I may be wrong.

I wouldn't get too hung up on manufacturers quoted contrast ratios. And yeah the Pioneer has the scrolling white IR removal feature as well as the orbiter. I haven't played with a the 1080p Samsung, but I had the 5054 and IR was very significant. It always went away but it stuck around alot. The Pioneer is supposed to be extremely resistant to IR, but I don't have first hand experience with it.
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TKandil, thanks for your thoughts. I think I'm going to get the 5084. Other people have also recommended 1080p for gaming, so I figure I can't go too wrong

Yes, I do want to purchase from CC locally. I had earlier purchased a 5054 from them at an unbelievable price, but had to return it on account of the news ticker judder issues. The 5084 is 50% more in price currently, so I may wait for prices to fall in another 1 - 3 months.

I have comcast cable, so signal strength should not be an issue. It wasn't with the 5054. BTW, how did you convince samsung to give you a free calibration? I was planning on using a computer to cal the unit myself at some point...

I was very polite, but I emphasized I was seriously considering going with Pioneer. I said I have always bought SAMSUNG and I would like to stay with them. He said he wanted to keep me as a life-long customer and offered the calibration on the house. I told him I would call back when I was ready. BE POLITE, BUT STERN.
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IR is Image Retention
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I was very polite, but I emphasized I was seriously considering going with Pioneer. I said I have always bought SAMSUNG and I would like to stay with them. He said he wanted to keep me as a life-long customer and offered the calibration on the house. I told him I would call back when I was ready. BE POLITE, BUT STERN.

I have yet to ever meet a tech that I would allow to touch my set unless it was flat out broken. I will be surprised if the one you get has the right tools and knowledge. In fact I'd be very, very surprised.
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Just recently bought this tv and all I can say is that it's amazing! It came down to this one, the 4665F, and 5265F. Decided on the plasma due to the screen door affect I have on my current LCD and the warmness of the colors. Haven't gotten around to tweaking it yet but was wondering if anyone had any suggestions. So far it doesn't seem like anyone's posted anything about their set ups.

Also, I was fiddling around with the Xbox 360's settings and cranked it up to 1080p through component. The screen flashed but accepted the signal. I was very surprised at this as I thought you could only input 1080p into this tv through HDMI or VGA. Can anyone confirm my findings that the set accepts 1080p through component? Is the tv itself just changing the signal or is the xbox fooling me?
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