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post #211 of 4325 Old 07-21-2007, 12:29 PM
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So, I'd consider my experience with this TV in the last 3 weeks to have been 'good' or 'so-so', but yesterday I got my PS3 from amazon after finally deciding to pull the trigger on bluray. It was a bluray playing on the samsung that originally convinced me to go this route.

After making all the connections (and finding out my onkyo HTIB didn't actually support HDMI audio, just passthrough) I decided on planet earth as my first bluray to watch. Now, I'd never seen this program, and only got it because I'd seen it mentioned in passing on this forum.

I was amazed at the picture, it's truely amazing. Real life is the only comparison I can make, maybe not that good, but the picture actually seemed to have depth, it was amazing. The scenery and shots were unreal at times, most shots seemed to have the quality of a moving fullscreen photograph. Crisp, sharp, clear, and deep.

Now are the blacks bezel black? Hell no, but all I've done is try messing around with contrast/brightness, dynamic contrast, black adjust, and gamma. Going to have it ISFd at some point in the next 3-6 months. I found a decent medium where the blacks were as black as I could get them, without making subtle scenery (like shadows) disappear (is this black crush?).

Anyways, I'm sure there's a bunch more that can be done to perfect the image, but what I saw was quite stunning. Blu-ray is definately amazing, haven't watched HD-DVD yet, but I can't imagine there's a HUGE difference between them, not saying there isn't one, just not a massive one.

A big tell-tale sign to me, was that after watching a few episodes of planet earth, my wife said the TV was worth the money, which I don't take lightly, she didn't see the point of spending nearly twice as much as an older model 50" PDP.

I'd say for content other than BD/HD-DVD (not sure on games), these 1080P TVs aren't really going to shine over older models that much, especially not at just 50".

Only problem is that there's a huge pricejump from an older 58"-65" 720P PDP, and a 58"-65" 1080P PDP, and that's where the large gains are really seen by the average person, keyword here 'average person'.

Either way, blu-ray on the 5084 looks amazing.
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Does anyone have pics that they can post? I am thinking about this set and while I know that I will have to go view the set for myself...I was wondering if anyone had pics of the set that they could share...esp any gamers out there...I have an Xbox 360 and was wondering how it looked on this set.
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I have yet to ever meet a tech that I would allow to touch my set unless it was flat out broken. I will be surprised if the one you get has the right tools and knowledge. In fact I'd be very, very surprised.

No, I hear you. I figure if it is for free. Why not? I am going to have an ISF calibration if I am still not happy. Just figure I'd see what he can do.
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Either way, blu-ray on the 5084 looks amazing.

Have you noticed any 3:2 pulldown judder with a 1080p24 signal from your PS3, and with a 1080p60 signal from your PS3 when watching Blu-Ray films?
Thanks.
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Well, I've had the 5084 for a week now, and the picture is as good as the source. I've not seen any judder, jagged edges, or anything else that would disappoint. I have Comcast digital cable with a DVI to HDMI connection, and the SD channels are more than fine. Baseball in HD is unbelievable, as are the On-Demand HD movies. Blu-ray is a whole different level. Casino Royal and Deja Vue were really something to see. And, if you're an adjustment freak, you can adjust yourself silly with the numerous black and color controls . . . Even has a 2 year parts and labor warranty! I have no complaints about this TV. I may never go to the theater again.
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I saw the 5084 at Magnolia yesterday, and had them play a Bluray version of "XXX", to compare with the pio 5080. For some reason, the image looked noisy, and the colors not very saturated/vibrant. I've had the 5054 at home, which looked fantastic as far as color is concerned, and there was no noise with any HD signal. So I'm confused as to what could be going on. I tried both standard and movie modes, but it still didn't look great.

The sales guys were trying to push the pio elite models, and didn't really seem enthused about the samsung.

All I wanted to do was compare a BluRay source at 1080p on the 720p pio model vs the 1080p samsung. I couldn't see any increase in resolution and the colors were muted.

I've been waiting for professional reviews on this model. I returned the 5054 due to judder/dropped frame issues.
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I'm not sure what you mean by Magnolia, but I saw the 5084 at the Magnolia Audio-Video in Seattle where I've been a customer since 1976. This is a stand-alone store, and not a part of Best Buy. Granted, it's not the same Magnolia since Best Buy bought therm about six years ago; they used to be called Magnolia Hi-Fi, but that was back in the day. The flagship store of Magnolia had the 5084 in their quad group (which included the pio, but not the pan), where they they have chairs where you can sit down and watch the TV like you were home.

When you're shopping for TV's, there are only so many stores, and so many TV choices. When I was shopping, which was for weeks, I went to a stores called Video Only, Circuit City, and Magnolia Audio-Video. Each store had different lighting and different sources displayed on the Samsung. There has to be a store in your area that wants to sell a TV to you, so keep looking.
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It was Magnolia AV, one of the stand alone stores. What was your take on the 5084 as compared to the competition? Do you own it, or are you planning on getting one?

Its very odd that this thread only has a couple of hundred posts, while the panny 1080p thread is like 3000 posts! Where are all the owners, reviewers ??


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I'm not sure what you mean by Magnolia, but I saw the 5084 at the Magnolia Audio-Video in Seattle where I've been a customer since 1976. This is a stand-alone store, and not a part of Best Buy. Granted, it's not the same Magnolia since Best Buy bought therm about six years ago; they used to be called Magnolia Hi-Fi, but that was back in the day. The flagship store of Magnolia had the 5084 in their quad group (which included the pio, but not the pan), where they they have chairs where you can sit down and watch the TV like you were home.

When you're shopping for TV's, there are only so many stores, and so many TV choices. When I was shopping, which was for weeks, I went to a stores called Video Only, Circuit City, and Magnolia Audio-Video. Each store had different lighting and different sources displayed on the Samsung. There has to be a store in your area that wants to sell a TV to you, so keep looking.

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Just ordered mine and it should be delivered via White Glove in the next week or so.

And my Onkyo SR805 should be here any day as well!

Now all I need are some real speakers.
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I bought one. I was getting a deal on a the Pio Elite 50" 720p until the I saw the Samsung. And I liked it better than the panny. With the Samsung blu-ray I've got a killer combo.
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I spent a little time staring at the 5084 (and Pioneer 50's and Panasonic 50's) down at the local CC and BB and thought I would share my experiences...

Like many others have mentioned, I think the Samsung 5084 and Pioneer 5080 sets look very close in PQ at first glance when viewing BlueRay or HD-DVD source material. Stare at the two side by side for a few minutes and you'll be able to pick out differences. The blacks are darker, and whites are brighter, and subtle details are more visible in dark scenes because of the improved contrast on the Pioneer.

Turn the sets off completely and you'll notice the screen on the Pioneer 5080 is nearly as black as the bezel that surrounds it.

The salesman at BB (an expert I assure you ) pointed out a couple of interesting things he didn't like about the Samsung that I wonder if anyone else has observed. On the Samsung, as you approach maybe 160-170 degree viewing angle (who watches at this angle?) the Samsung display becomes extremely fuzzy. Again, the salesman pointed this out. Neither the Pioneer 5080 nor the Panasonic 50PZ700U(directly behind me at this point) exhibited this behavior.

He also pointed out the double image you get with any plasma (besides the Pioneer and LG 50" with a single pane of glass) with 2 panes of glass visible when you stand directly over the plasma and look down into the picture.

I'm not sure how important either of those points are to normal viewing, and I was wondering if anyone had an opinion or experience related to those issues?

Another observation I have with the 5084 is related to the noise in the picture that some people have described. I've noticed this at the CC store playing a BlueRay of Rocky Balboa and took the time to adjust the display settings to try and correct it. I've read that the "Auto" setting on the Samsung's noise reduction option doesn't work, so I changed it to high or whatever the equivalent setting was for maximum noise reduction and that seemed to help. I believe that the auto setting is factory default, and I've noticed the noise (grainy) appearance on the 5054 when comparing it to the Pansonic 50PX75U. I made the same adjustment to the 5054 and it brought the PQ up to the Panasonic on a broadcast HD signal. For those who are concerned about the Samsung's video processing I would try adjusting that setting and see if you think the PQ improves.

What I notice about the Samsung is that it's trying hard to be a Pioneer for half the price, and what's not to like about that? What I notice about the Samsung over the Panasonic is what I've always noticed about the Pioneer over the competition -- the picture just looks more vivid. Plus, Samsung puts in more features for Panasonic money. My two cents.

I just don't want to spend $3k and be a beta tester for Samsung. That's what you don't get over the Panasonic and especially Pioneer, the track record for building solid sets.
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[quote=kevin_mcmillan]I spent a little time staring at the 5084 (and Pioneer 50's and Panasonic 50's) down at the local CC and BB and thought I would share my experiences...

I was at BB yesterday looking at Panny 700 and sammy 5084, both TV's were fed the same HD signal, the difference was very obvious and the PQ from Samsung was far superior than the Panasonic, the Samsung was definitely sharper and the contrast was higher. The Samsung also beat Panasonic hands down in the overall design and look; I liked the touch sensitive buttons and the chrome along side the Sammy too.
Sorry Panasonic, I'm buying the Samsung next time they come on sale.
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When will they be on sale =) I only got 2200 to spend....hopefully by september they'll be down to that.
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Being delivered by Amazon white glove delivery tomorrow between 1pm and 5pm EDT.

My Onkyo TX-SR805 should arrive tomorrow as well! I know what I am doing this weekend. I just hope it rains so I can feel better about spending the whole weekend inside.
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Being delivered by Amazon white glove delivery tomorrow between 1pm and 5pm EDT.

My Onkyo TX-SR805 should arrive tomorrow as well! I know what I am doing this weekend. I just hope it rains so I can feel better about spending the whole weekend inside.


You will LOVE this new SAMMY. I've had it for about 3 weeks or so and I don't regret it for one second. Good Luck with the setup
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Thanks TKandil!

I'll post some pics once I have it setup.

Know anyone who wants to buy a 32" Samsung flat-tube that this is replacing?
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I saw the 5084 at Magnolia yesterday, and had them play a Bluray version of "XXX", to compare with the pio 5080. For some reason, the image looked noisy, and the colors not very saturated/vibrant. I've had the 5054 at home, which looked fantastic as far as color is concerned, and there was no noise with any HD signal. So I'm confused as to what could be going on. I tried both standard and movie modes, but it still didn't look great.

The sales guys were trying to push the pio elite models, and didn't really seem enthused about the samsung.

All I wanted to do was compare a BluRay source at 1080p on the 720p pio model vs the 1080p samsung. I couldn't see any increase in resolution and the colors were muted.

I've been waiting for professional reviews on this model. I returned the 5054 due to judder/dropped frame issues.


scsnospam, I thought you said a few posts back that you were going to go with the 5084 over the PIO 5080? Are you having second thoughts? I'm just curious because I am torn between these two tv's too. I haven't had the chance to compare them side-by-side like you. What do you think?
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I guess so!

It seems to me that I'm paralysed with indecision. I has happy with the 5054 apart from the judder issue. For the money, I don't think there is a better set out there. With all the other options out there now, I might just sit out for a month or so.

As I wrote earlier, the 5084 didn't look all that great. The pio's colors were really good, with little noise. HOWEVER, I've seen the 5084 in other stores like Fry's and CC, and it looked good there with their feeds. Certainly, to my eye it looks better than the panny pz700u in terms of color, although the panasonic looked smoother sometimes. With all the controls available on the samsung though, I would think it should easily do much better at home. Too bad CC and Fry's don't have pioneer, which would have helped a lot in my comparison. Let me put it this way - if 1080p is not that important to you, pick the pio. The jump up to the 1080p pioneer 5010hd is at least another $1k from forum sponsors. Is it worth it? You will need to decide. If you game, 1080p will help. If you only watch tv/movies from more than 10 feet, it probably won't.




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scsnospam, I thought you said a few posts back that you were going to go with the 5084 over the PIO 5080? Are you having second thoughts? I'm just curious because I am torn between these two tv's too. I haven't had the chance to compare them side-by-side like you. What do you think?

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I'll post some pics once I have it setup.

Nice. Some good quality shots of this thing are very rare, hope you can change this.
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After several weeks now with this set I cannot be happier!
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Heres a good review out of UK on this TV

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Thanks for the link. They make no mention of the anti-glare effectiveness. I wish CNET would hurry up and review this thing already. I might just end up with the LN-T4661F because I am averse to glare. I just wish they made the 61F series in a 52 inch size.
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It's just like Christmas in July! My 5084 and Onkly SR805 both on the same day.

I was going to post pictures but the site won't let me until I've complete 5 or more postings...
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Before:
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After:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

And of course I had a little help setting up:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

Now I get to begin the process of learning how to calibrate it.
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Looking really good! The cat even enjoys sitting on the Onkyo and is looking amazed at the 5084. Congrats...

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After:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

And of course I had a little help setting up:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

Now I get to begin the process of learning how to calibrate it.

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Looking really good! The cat even enjoys sitting on the Onkyo and is looking amazed at the 5084. Congrats...

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Good Picture Quality Attributes
1. High Quality Source (Most Important)
2. Contrast Ratio
3. Color Saturation
4. Color Accuracy
5. Resolution (Least Important)

Chris - I recently read this article about gray scale and contrast and their importantance to PQ. And now I notice your sig seems to cast some doubt on the author's credibility. Check it out and see what you think...
http://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages/shmontrast.htm

P.S. If that Onky gets as "warm" as mine, he'll be smelling burning fur before too long.

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[quote=creemail]Looking really good! The cat even enjoys sitting on the Onkyo and is looking amazed at the 5084. Congrats...


I'm just dreading the day she decides to try and sit on top of the Sammy the way she did the previous tube TV. Ack!
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Before:
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After:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

And of course I had a little help setting up:
http://imageevent.com/bdk512/samonk?...=0&y=1&z=2&l=0

Now I get to begin the process of learning how to calibrate it.

That is one beautiful cat.
Good Luck on the calibration. I have the 5084 and I would be glad to give my advice. Although it will be slightly different based on the TV's surroundings
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Heres a good review out of UK on this TV

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Do the current 5084 owners here recognize the negative issue's (false contouring, more motion blur than other top plasma's) from this review?
Especially what i read about the motion handling worries me. The freeview tuner issue i don't care, won't use it.
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Do the current 5084 owners here recognize the negative issue's (false contouring, more motion blur than other top plasma's) from this review?
Especially what i read about the motion handling worries me. The freeview tuner issue i don't care, won't use it.

I've had the TV for two weeks, watching HDTV and Blu-Ray. I haven't seen any false contouring or motion blur, but Sound and Vision Magazine reports the Pany 50 1080p has this.

The only "weakness" I've seen is SDTV could be better, but I haven't tried any tweaking as I don't really watch SDTV except while surfing. . .Bought the TV for movies and HD sports.

Baseball looks great in HD and no blurring when the camera pans for fast action, and here's a list of Blu-Rays that were great: Casino Royal, Deja Vu, 16 Blocks, and Tears for the Sun. Progressive scanned regular DVD's look great, too.
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