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"Who cares what your guest think? It should only matter what you think."

There are some of us single guys who like to impress the girls with big plasmas.
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Thanks SaltiDawg and TommyV. This occurred to me too. I'll probably end up doing this, though somehow it seems so, I don't know, inelegant. I was hoping there would be a way to disable the speakers.

The way to disable the speakers is don't hook any wires to them. That way you never have to worry about turning the volume down, or someone else turning the volume up.
It will work.They aren't there!
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The way to disable the speakers is don't hook any wires to them. That way you never have to worry about turning the volume down, or someone else turning the volume up.
It will work.They aren't there!
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There are no wires on the 4280 is there?
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Regarding the Buzzing problems, people mention.

This guy in Sweden had his buzzing fixed by two Pioneer technicians that came to his place.

They changed two small daughterboards and the buzzing went away completely.

Here is an interesting picture from the disassembly:



PS. It's the 50" Elite Kuro.

wtf they changed 2 icb's??? does this mean that Pioneer has unofficially admited the buzzing noise as a real defect?

I'd rather avoid technicians opening up the panel and fixing it -- but hopefully someone will come up with a do-it-yourself fix for reducing the buzzing noise...

Btw, where are the fans on the back/top of the panel? don't see'em in the pic...

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Then I'm going to want the super thin, super black, super cheap, super accurate SEDOLEDLCDPLASMACRT display of the future...

Russ, any release date on those?
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It seems the only place the standard line of Kuros gets bad reviews is here!

I probably should quit reading this tread while I still have a fragment of my pride of ownership left.

Macfan, I would have been extremely happy with the 5080 if the Elite never existed. Fear not, these are superb displays by virtually any standards!
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I will give you that! And I'm sure they would be impressed with anything BIG....

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Russ, any release date on those?

Yeah... just around the corner, but I'm still getting something now so I can enjoy it now!
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There are no wires on the 4280 is there?

I am sorry Tommy wrong unit. My Mistake. I guess volume is the only answer. My appoligy.
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I am sorry Tommy wrong unit. My Mistake. I guess volume is the only answer. My appoligy.
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Correct; no wires on the 4280. Looking closely at the manual, there looks to be a way to switch to AV audio via the HDMI Control Function. But the manual seems to describe this as proprietary Pio technology (so if you have a Pio receiver to go with the Pio 4280). My receiver is a NAD T744 - I'll have to try and see if this method work with it.
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Man, That guy who had his Buzzing removed must have some Big Kahunna's. My Buzzing would have to be pretty bad for me to see that on my ottaman.
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Wow! I didn't expect to provoke this reaction! [But then, "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"]

So, to sum up: at 8 feet, the PRO-1150 (after calibration) will give me the best PQ obtainable today?
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You may be able to see SOME, not ALL, benefit with 1080p so the 110FD would also be a great choice. You are at the farther distance. I have an 1140HD calibrated and sit 7' to 10' away and it's awesome. I'm going to 60" 1080p though.

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Wow! I didn't expect to provoke this reaction! [But then, "nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"]

So, to sum up: at 8 feet, the PRO-1150 (after calibration) will give me the best PQ obtainable today?

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The way I read Parasite's comparison, the 5080 sounds flat out bad. Not just somewhat "worse...than an Elite", but downright bad. I'd think long and hard before buying a set like that unless it were a bargain priced model. I'm sure you guys don't mean it this way, but it comes across that if you can't afford an Elite, save your money and get a Vizio.

I understand you are just trying to explain why you believe the Elite is well worth it's high cost, but unfortunately, the justifications used makes it seem that the regular line is not worth it's price, which, while less than an Elite, is still considerable compared to the Panasonics and Samsungs of the world.

I read all the glowing independent reviews, one after another proclaiming how the "lowly" regular Kuros are among the best flat panels ever made. Then I come to an owners support group, and read that they are barely acceptable. Good enough for someone like me who doesn't know any better, but not for those who do.

I won't dwell on it, but I'm afraid I won't exactly relax either. I'll probably not ever think of my 5080 the same way. It won't remain the source of pride it once was. A tinge of disillusionment will linger.

But then, I knew I'd hear these unfavorable comparisons eventually. That's why I thought the threads for the regular series and the Elites should have been kept separate.

I hear you, and I own an elite myself. I've already given my impressions and
I'm sure we'd all agree that the non-elites are awesome sets anyhow. If I
couldn't afford the elite, I'd buy the non-elite without question.

*HOWEVER*

After owning the elite, I have come to appreciate the extra features, including
gamma and colour control. I noticed right away that my blacks were quite
dark brown, and my whites were kinda greyish. I tried everything to fix it
save the colour and gamma control (I didn't figure it was that). After a few
days of break-in, I decided to give D-Nice's settings a go... and *WOW* by
adjusting the colour and gamma, my whites were much better and the blacks
don't look brown anymore. The glow is actually like my old CRT glow. All this
because of some settings that wouldn't normally be availble to me if I didn't
go for the 150FD. Furthermore, the colour settings are quite complicated
but apparently accurate and even UMR gave the impression you can't adjust
the colours on the 5080 in the service menu like this set can in the pro menu.
This little adjustment has made my viewing experience TONS better. There
are other benefits that I experienced that I won't mention, but I just wanted
to point out how something simple can mean so much. Heck, I adjusted the
R/G/B in PC-Mode to make the whites whiter (this is where you really see
the red push on the 150FD... could be perfect on other panels), yet the other
advanced colour controls are missing from PC-mode. This has really made me
appreciate those more advanced controls. By the way, I'm totally not a videophile.
If someone like myself can benefit dramatically with the simple 'feature', then
it's golden if you ask me.

It's unfortunate that folks take the praise of one thing as criticism of another.
This is not fanboyism or whatever someone else said. It's an honest observation.
I guess no one can be honest anymore without being wrong, dillusional, or misinformed.
We are here to share our impressions 'as is' to help each other out, after all.
(I forgot to add 'giddy' to that list of accusations)
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I hear you, and I own an elite myself. I've already given my impressions and
I'm sure we'd all agree that the non-elites are awesome sets anyhow. If I
couldn't afford the elite, I'd buy the non-elite without question.

*HOWEVER*

After owning the elite, I have come to appreciate the extra features, including
gamma and colour control. I noticed right away that my blacks were quite
dark brown, and my whites were kinda greyish. I tried everything to fix it
save the colour and gamma control (I didn't figure it was that). After a few
days of break-in, I decided to give D-Nice's settings a go... and *WOW* by
adjusting the colour and gamma, my whites were much better and the blacks
don't look brown anymore. The glow is actually like my old CRT glow. All this
because of some settings that wouldn't normally be availble to me if I didn't
go for the 150FD. Furthermore, the colour settings are quite complicated
but apparently accurate and even UMR gave the impression you can't adjust
the colours on the 5080 in the service menu like this set can in the pro menu.
This little adjustment has made my viewing experience TONS better. There
are other benefits that I experienced that I won't mention, but I just wanted
to point out how something simple can mean so much. Heck, I adjusted the
R/G/B in PC-Mode to make the whites whiter (this is where you really see
the red push on the 150FD... could be perfect on other panels), yet the other
advanced colour controls are missing from PC-mode. This has really made me
appreciate those more advanced controls. By the way, I'm totally not a videophile.
If someone like myself can benefit dramatically with the simple 'feature', then
it's golden if you ask me.

It's unfortunate that folks take the praise of one thing as criticism of another.

Nambit, i'm 100% with you.

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This is the online review on the Kuro 110FD by Geoffrey Morrison from Home Theater Magazine:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/plasmadisplays/907kuro/

He can hardly contain himself. At the end of the article, he says that the 5080 is pretty good also.
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The non-elite displays are awesome. We have had our 5080 for a while now. Our whole family loves it. Whenever anyone comes to our house everyone is in shock how well HD looks on it. The images are vivid, the blacks are truly black. 5080 - money well spent. Spend the rest on a home theater system or a HD-DVD player. After all its much better to have a complete package than just have an "elite" hooked up to rabbit ears. Just my 2 cents to perspective buyers.
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The non-elite displays are awesome. We have had our 5080 for a while now. Our whole family loves it. Whenever anyone comes to our house everyone is in shock how well HD looks on it. The images are vivid, the blacks are truly black. 5080 - money well spent. Spend the rest on a home theater system or a HD-DVD player. After all its much better to have a complete package than just have an "elite" hooked up to rabbit ears. Just my 2 cents to perspective buyers.

Does yours have any buzzing if you're viewing it eye-level from a distance? I've only had my 5080 for a week, and the noise is driving me insane. I don't know what to do with it...I originally bought a Samsung that had a flickering problem, so I traded it in for an LG that had a horrible buzzing problem, and then I finally got this 5080 to replace the LG and I still have a buzzing problem! I can't believe that I might have to pack this thing up and make a 4th trip to BestBuy...I think I might give up on plasma TVs altogether.
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At the end of the article, he says that the 5080 is pretty good also.

Pretty good?

He writes that "the $3,500 Pioneer PDP-5080HD is the same size and will have nearly identical performance"

Nearly identical performance. Not just "pretty good also"...
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Pretty good?

He writes that "the $3,500 Pioneer PDP-5080HD is the same size and will have nearly identical performance"

Nearly identical performance. Not just "pretty good also"...

Sorry, I should have quoted him as you did. I didn't mean to down play the performance of the 5080.
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Does yours have any buzzing if you're viewing it eye-level from a distance? I've only had my 5080 for a week, and the noise is driving me insane. I don't know what to do with it...I originally bought a Samsung that had a flickering problem, so I traded it in for an LG that had a horrible buzzing problem, and then I finally got this 5080 to replace the LG— and I still have a buzzing problem! I can't believe that I might have to pack this thing up and make a 4th trip to BestBuy...I think I might give up on plasma TVs altogether.

The buzzing isn't so bad if you use PowerSave2. My 150FD buzzing goes from
non-existant to mildly noticeable when I use that mode. For SD material, you
will not notice any difference in PQ, however at 1080P I notice the whites and
colours are a bit duller (remember mine's a 1080P TV) while at 720P the difference
in vibrance is barely noticeable. Being that you have a 5080, you should hardly
notice a difference at PowerSave2 (don't use 1 as it's a waste). Give it a try and
you'll be surprised just how much better it is.

I went from LCD to plasma and I am finally satisfied. Granted, the whites
are not blindingly white like an LCD, but the uniformity and blackness are
superb and realistic. I totally love the smoothness of motion and the colours
are saturated like my Sony XBR HD CRT tube but more vibrant which is totally
awesome!

Anyhow, Good luck!
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Does yours have any buzzing if you're viewing it eye-level from a distance? I've only had my 5080 for a week, and the noise is driving me insane. I don't know what to do with it...I originally bought a Samsung that had a flickering problem, so I traded it in for an LG that had a horrible buzzing problem, and then I finally got this 5080 to replace the LG— and I still have a buzzing problem! I can't believe that I might have to pack this thing up and make a 4th trip to BestBuy...I think I might give up on plasma TVs altogether.

you do have the bb option which is great but if it is bothering you contact pioneer and have them send a tech to look at it. he might say it's normal and then you take it back to bb but at least pioneer will have another report on it. and bb might offer you something to deal with it, like a price reduction or credit.

others might try sound proofing/accoustic matting pads or insulation behind the plasma to see if that can help with any buzzing coming from the rear.

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Well I just received my PRO-110FD, the order was placed Friday, the crazy thing was that I called Axxis Audio today and was given the freight company and freight tracking number, while at work I call them up and am told, your order is on the truck for shipment, I say for today, they say YES, I say OMG no one is home, now this is at 3:30 and I am a good 30-40 min from home, she says I am the last stop and he just finished with his next to last stop, I am next, I tell her to contact the driver and have him wait for a few min till I get there till I arrive.

Got home and he was waiting at the corner of my block, long story short, he was a very nice guy, helped me bring it in up two small flights of stairs, we unpacked it and put it on my AV Rack, we even turned it on to make sure it worked fine, all is well, he got a very nice well deserved tip, and on his way he went. Now for the PDP it is fantastic, right out of the box, adjustment to come later, will also post some pics

Cybertec, congrats on the new Pro-110FD. more Pioneer plasma brothern
Get that camera going we need some pics in this thread of all the new Pioneers Kuros.

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OK - just hooked up my Pro 110FD to my REGULAR D* satellite and box (The HD box and satellite dish don't arrive until Friday - thanks to Axxis Audio for getting my TV here in 3 only 4 days!!!)

Here are my very first (SD only) impressions: WOW, and yeah, thats on SD. I've been looking more carefully (not closer, just more carefully - I'm 11ft away from my set) at my JVC 29" TV that I've had for the past 7 years in anticipation of receiving my Pro 110FD. What I've noticed over the past week is that the picture really isn't all that great. There is plenty of picture "noise" and "artifacts" but since the screen is so comparatively small and non-HD i just never noticed or knew better. I can honestly say that now that my Pro110 is here and hooked up to the exact same box using only composite input that my picture doesn't look any worse than with my 29" JVC CRT television....in fact, I'd say it looks a bit better. Are there times where the picture looks much less than stellar or when I notice picture "noise" more than on my CRT? YES. However, I believe that is only because the screen is bigger and has more pixels - its simply showing the same crappy signal I've always been watching! There is also plenty of time when I'm watching ESPN REGULAR and I'm really enjoying it - more than my old TV. SO - for all those worrying about SD content on your new Kuro, I say DON'T - it looks GREAT!!!!

Harneloot, congrats on your new Pro-110FD too.
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The way I read Parasite's comparison, the 5080 sounds flat out bad. Not just somewhat "worse...than an Elite", but downright bad. I'd think long and hard before buying a set like that unless it were a bargain priced model. I'm sure you guys don't mean it this way, but it comes across that if you can't afford an Elite, save your money and get a Vizio.

I understand you are just trying to explain why you believe the Elite is well worth it's high cost, but unfortunately, the justifications used makes it seem that the regular line is not worth it's price, which, while less than an Elite, is still considerable compared to the Panasonics and Samsungs of the world.

I read all the glowing independent reviews, one after another proclaiming how the "lowly" regular Kuros are among the best flat panels ever made. Then I come to an owners support group, and read that they are barely acceptable. Good enough for someone like me who doesn't know any better, but not for those who do.

I won't dwell on it, but I'm afraid I won't exactly relax either. I'll probably not ever think of my 5080 the same way. It won't remain the source of pride it once was. A tinge of disillusionment will linger.

But then, I knew I'd hear these unfavorable comparisons eventually. That's why I thought the threads for the regular series and the Elites should have been kept separate.


Macfan, there's absolutely no need to feel bad about your 5080.

As I see it, the price vs. performance curve for plasmas (and for most other things BTW) looks like the one in the attached picture. When going from e.g. a Panasonic or Samsung to a Pioneer Kuro, you're operating on the left side (steep) of the chart - a certain increase in price will give you a substantial increase in performance.

However, when you're comparing elite vs. non-elite or 768 vs. 1080 then you're operating on the right side (flat) of the chart - a substantial increase in price will only give you a marginal increase in performance.

Also, don't put too much emphasis on statements that are not based on side-by-side comparisons (e.g. "I had the non-elite, now I have the elite and it's much better" kinda thing) - it is extremely hard to compare performance when it's not done side-by-side.

There's also a fair amount of psycology involved here - let me give you an example:

A few years ago, Danish TV had a show about how peoples perception of things affect their judgement and opinion. One of the things they did was to put red grapeskin dye into white wine to make it look exactly like red wine. The dye was tasteless so it still tasted like chardonnay. They then served this to a group of amateur wine-lovers during one of their tasting sessions. When asked whether they would serve this "red" wine with fish, the answer was "of course not, this is a powerful red wine that goes with things like steak"...

So when people KNOW that they're looking at an expensive 1080p elite screen then it doesn't take much to convince yourself that of course it's a lot better. I would like to see how the same people would do if presented with a blind test where they didn't know what they were looking at. Same thing when people are testing expensive audio signal cables - when they know that now the 1000$ cable is playing, then they claim to hear that it's better. But when blind tests are done, very few people (if any) can actually identify the expensive cables...

Just yesterday I was able to compare a 5080 (768 non-elite) to an LX508D (1080p elite), both calibrated, and I was hard pressed to see any differences!

So there's absolutely no need to feel bad about your 5080, it is very much up there with the rest of the Kuro's!!
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my break in time will have reached just over 100 hrs by Saturday morning. Can I watch some football without much risk to the 150fd? This wait is agonizing. Also, what are the best settings for DTV and PS3?

Dial in D-Nice's 'Pure' settings for the 150 and make sure the content your watching fills in the screen. I run the break-in DVD during the day and ENJOY watching it at night.

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This is why I paid MSRP at Hippo's Home Entertainment Stuyvesant Plaza, which is smAlbany's only authorized dealer of Pioneer Elite PDPs, due to their customer service and 30 day replacement policy with no questions asked.

And it is the reason I paid thousands below MSRP for the same assurance...
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And it is the reason I paid thousands below MSRP for the same assurance...

So you paid $5500 or less for your PRO-150FD?
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There are some of us single guys who like to impress the girls with big plasmas.

In the day there were other ways to impress them.
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