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post #1 of 17585 Old 06-07-2007, 08:00 PM - Thread Starter
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OK, first off, thanks to Roman@Invision for his friendly and fast service. In the door for ~75%MSRP ain't too shabby either!

An unabashed black-level fan, I have been frustrated since replacing my first HDTV, a 2001 Sony XBR CRT. Many plasmas, LCD's, DLP's,and projectors later, I have landed one of these 8G's, mostly on the strength of this forum and it's like- minded (hello Mr.Harkness) folk. Was a bit skeptical of all the hype from trade shows and such,but hopeful none the less.

Anyway, I've had it (4280)running 4 hrs. now,both in filtered daylight conditions and now some night-time viewing and it does not dissapoint. I have it side by side with a 9G Panny 58 running the same source and having been self-calibrated with AVIA.
Naturally,the PIO is just out of the box, using standard setting for now.

Where to begin?

Universal HD-DVDs open with a starry space-like sky with planet earth in foreground-I have been known to count the stars in it to measure "blackness of space". I tried to take a picture of it, but was far too blurry to publish.
Suffice it to say though, the PIO is a new high, very near to CRT level black, as I remember it.

The one picture attatched is a night scene from the opening of SAT NITE LIVE.
Hopefully, it shows relative black level to the Panny , which may be the best plasma I have had . I know taking pictures like this is a crap-shoot but someone will ask for them anyway. I tried to keep the variables to a minimum.
I can take more if requested but please be patient as I test my new toy.

As far as the sidebars approaching the blackness of the frame, this guy comes pretty close -not quite a total blending, but closer than anything since CRT.

I expect to have an HD-DVD calibration disc by tomorrow, and will try to be better dialed in soon.

First impressions:

Very smooth, almost no dithering, unlike the Panny.

Pure whites,no grey whites here.

Plenty sharp and detailed , better than the 5070 I had.

Natural motion(120hz?) beats the heck out of any LCD I have owned.

Screen a bit more reflective than I thought, Elite will probably be better.

And of course, blacks to beat all ('cept maybe the 'ole CRT)

For the entry price , I think it's a winner.

Roman: Please reserve my 6010 in the fall!

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Well the picture you posted maybe a bit sh$ty, but there is clearly a difference!
It really shows much better contrast and the blacks really look black and the panny which people used to swear by as the best is much lighter and almost looks like a fog effect over it.

If you can borrow a DSLR from someone the pictures should come out perfect even in low light.

Def getting the 60".

Props for the first live home pics.

Oh can you please let me know how SD looks? Its supposed to improve in this area as well.
Thanks.
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Awesome...thanks for your review. Are you as happy as you thought you would be? I have another week before mine arrives and I am on pins and needles.
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Nice. "Near CRT black" WOOHOO!!!!! How does the anti-glare match up with the old 5070 you had?

I don't know what I am doing! AHHHHHHH!!!!
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Nice. "Near CRT black" WOOHOO!!!!! How does the anti-glare match up with the old 5070 you had?

Yeah how does it compare overall to the 5070?
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This set looks awesome and I can't wait to see this in the stores and mess with the picture controls.
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How does its ability to resolve shadow detail compare to the Panasonic and to your 5070?

Oh, and congratulations!
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Excellent job on the review. Glad to hear that you are enjoying the 4280. That's a good reference photo with the Panny as the 9th Gen Panasonics do have good black levels.

I see that you are in Mass so did you have a chance to view NESN HD yet? If you get a chance, watch part of the game and see how the smooth panning looks. Pioneer claims this will greatly reduce judder. Look particularly at the foul lines as I have a crappy ole CRT in one of my bedrooms that, during fast camera pans, will make the foul lines look a little choppy. I appreciate the feedback.
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And so it begins.....
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Anyway, I've had it (4280)running 4 hrs. now

Roman: Please reserve my 6010 in the fall!

Steve Longo

I'm amazed how many people on this baord buy HDTVs like I buy sneakers, replacing them every 6 months.

Must be nice.
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Congratulations and thanks for starting the thread!
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Any reason why you got the 42 instead of the 50? Different room requirements? I would also like to hear about the calibration process when you get to it. Thanks!
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Any word on the yellow phosphor trails? Still an issue?

Do you have any gaming content that could be tested?
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Kudos to SuperVision2010 for posting his initial reviews. And a pic to boot! A lot of people were hoping for this exact comparison with the Panny and you delivered on the first 8G post! Sweet!

Hope to hear more as you get to play around with it!
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Awesome...thanks for your review. Are you as happy as you thought you would be? I have another week before mine arrives and I am on pins and needles.


Ditto...
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Ah yes, one additional question (should you have time to answer)...

Could you determine whether or no the VGA input suffers from screen tearing? The **70 series had v-sync disabled when using the VGA input which resulted in severe tearing lines appearing during motion.
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What's very impressive is that with all the hype, all the raves, you'd think you'd be in for a let down once you actually get the set and fire it up. It appears such is not the case. The new 8g Pioneers are indeed the new "Kings" of the plasma world!

Congrats SuperVision and thanks for the review. Good luck.
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So Ken,

Which will you be getting?
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It would appear the 60" 1080p Elite my friend. I still haven't seen the 65" Aviamo that was on my short list, but I truly doubt it has the black levels of the new Pioneers since it's based on 1st gen 65" 1080p Panny glass. I had hoped for 65", but hey, at least the 60" is 10" bigger than what I've got now.
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Is the bottom speaker removable?

No dithering + no false contouring would be amazing. Any hints of false contouring?

Thanks...
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The speaker is fixed (non-removable).
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Just wondering why you are going to get the elite over the regular 60 inch 1080p??


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It would appear the 60" 1080p Elite my friend. I still haven't seen the 65" Aviamo that was on my short list, but I truly doubt it has the black levels of the new Pioneers since it's based on 1st gen 65" 1080p Panny glass. I had hoped for 65", but hey, at least the 60" is 10" bigger than what I've got now.

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D-nice,

The bottom speaker on the 5080 is removable right? I definatley don't want any speakers on there!
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D-nice,

The bottom speaker on the 5080 is removable right? I definatley don't want any speakers on there!

Yes
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SuperVision2010 NICE!!!! Thank you for the post.
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Is the bottom speaker removable?

No dithering + no false contouring would be amazing. Any hints of false contouring?

Thanks...

Thought I saw what I would term"macro-dithering", that is instead of individual pixel shifting state it was a large group (object actually) which seemed to pulse.

It was a Discovery Channel scene with a mountain-top boulder which seemed to shift states- maybe a new algo. in the processor?
Or I could have been over tired -will have to re-check tonight...

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