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Entry level plasma option 50" under 2k? what the best value ?

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Samsung 5054/64 or Panasonic 50px75u/77u... you will find a ton of info regarding these two sets and will probably be your best bet under the $2k range.
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Samsung 5054/64 or Panasonic 50px75u/77u... you will find a ton of info regarding these two sets and will probably be your best bet under the $2k range.


thanks those are the two that are acutally sticking out.

the samsung having the vga, but the piano black finish
and the panny vise versa
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Samsung 5054/64 or Panasonic 50px75u/77u... you will find a ton of info regarding these two sets and will probably be your best bet under the $2k range.

Stay away from Samsung. The picture looks good from 10 feet away, but up close all moving text will flicker and wobble.
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Stay away from Dogboy here. He is a Samsung hater so all of his posts are about bashing Samsung
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Stay away from Dogboy here. He is a Samsung hater so all of his posts are about bashing Samsung


no kidding, and just two weeks ago he liked samsung over panasonic
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no kidding, and just two weeks ago he liked samsung over panasonic

Actually, it was Vizio over Panasonic. Even worse.
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Actually, it was Vizio over Panasonic. Even worse.

I call balls and strikes. I don't lie. I report what I see with my eyes.

When I had the Vizio it looked very good. The HD picture popped off the screen and was alive. Only problem was reliability. I liked the pop of the picture. Vizio is wayyy better than Samsung for picture quality.

Panasonic is a very good plasma. I love it. It is better than my old Vizio in many ways. The blacks are darker, the colors are deep. Panasonic has many better features, like better strech (just mode), better SD play, too much to list.

Samsung looked good to me from 10 feet away, but at first I never paid attention to them. When I finally got up close to a Samsung and looked at it for a long time, I noticed that the picture appears to flicker like it is interlaced, and moving text on the screen wabbled badly.
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I call balls and strikes. I don't lie. I report what I see with my eyes.

When I had the Vizio it looked very good. The HD picture popped off the screen and was alive. Only problem was reliability. I liked the pop of the picture. Vizio is wayyy better than Samsung for picture quality.

Panasonic is a very good plasma. I love it. It is better than my old Vizio in many ways. The blacks are darker, the colors are deep. Panasonic has many better features, like better strech (just mode), better SD play, too much to list.

Samsung looked good to me from 10 feet away, but at first I never paid attention to them. When I finally got up close to a Samsung and looked at it for a long time, I noticed that the picture appears to flicker like it is interlaced, and moving text on the screen wabbled badly.

You're entitled to state your prefereces and opinions. Just be careful with the "brand xxx is crap" statements. Those often come back and bite you in the bu..
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As an owner of a Samsung HP T5054 and former owner of a Vizio 42P I can say that the Samsung has a much better picture, but I do like the PIP feature of the Vizio better.

So far as the garbage doogie is shoveling, I don't know what was wrong with the Samsung he was watching but it's certainly NOT something that's been seen by myself or other owners of Samsung 5054/64's I have not seen complaints such as his on the Samsung 54/64 threads.

The Samsung does have an odd quirk that is soon to be fixed by a firmware upgrade in the works that creates a little jump in the screen only really noticeable on things like news tickers and slow horizontal pans, though it's very hard to note in the slow horizontal pans unless you really look for it.

I really enjoy my Samsung HP T5054, I bought mine when they first came out, and though I paid far more then than they are sold for now, I would still buy it again and feel I got a really nice TV. For the price they are now they are a great deal in my opinion.

Oh, and I watch my Plasma about 8 feet away from the screen. I have watched it from 6 feet away, and if it wouldn't make my living room useless for more than just my TV viewing, man I'd never view it from further, looks awesome even at 6 feet.
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So far as the garbage doogie is shoveling, I don't know what was wrong with the Samsung he was watching but it's certainly NOT something that's been seen by myself

The Samsung does have an odd quirk that is soon to be fixed by a firmware upgrade in the works that creates a little jump in the screen

WTF? I notice a flaw in the Samsung and the above poster says it does not exist. Then the poster goes on to describe seeing the same thing?

Samsung looked good from 10 feet away. Up close the text was bobbling and flickering when moving across the screen.

And the poster goes on to say there is a firmware to be upgraded sometime in the future? WTF again?!? The fix is not even available yet? Sometimes those firmware upgrades screw up more than they fix.

Take my advice seriously. Don't just watch the plasma in the store from 10 feet away. Get up close to the screen, less than a foot away. Look very closely for 20 minutes as the feed changes the types of images on the screen. Look at the text. Does it stay in-focus as it moves, or does it degrade and bobble? Not just the tickers, but text in commercials that moves. Static text that does not move will look good, but the true test will be text that moves.
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The issue I am speaking of is nothing like the issue you describe. A brief skip is the best way to describe what I am talking about, and it can be seen from 10 feet or 1 foot. Beyond that brief skip the picture is in focus, text is just fine. This bobble and degradation you speak of is not the issue I'm speaking of from what I can tell.

And yes they are working on a fix for this issue, which is most likely dropping of a couple frames every three or four seconds.

Again, I don't watch from 10' away, but then again I also don't watch from 1' away either. And when looking in stores the average consumer is watching from six to eight feet away.
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I agree with everyone here. I would check out the Samsung 54/64 and Panny 75U/77U. These are most talked about flat panels on this forum. You can do a search for either of these panels and lots of info should come up.

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i looked at the samsung last night.. and the picture looked great however
the piano black frame gave me a headache. (very reflective) its takes away from the screen
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like many others on this board, I'm currently trying to decide between these two sets and I just can't seem to come up with a winner. The samsung has more pop along with deeper colors, but it has the the "jutter" issue. While the panasonics have excellent P.Q., they don't seem to "pop" like the new samsungs, IMO. The one thing that really bothers me is that the panny seems to have dirty whites compared to the samsungs. Overall, they are both solid sets for the money.
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I know this is my first post, but take it from first hand experience that Samsung customer service is absolutely attrocious. My previous HDTV was a Samsung and my particular tv (not speaking for all of them) had problems from day one. After 3 services and no fix they are supposed to give you a new tv, but as I am a new 42" Panasonic owner they obviously did not. The debacle had been going on for several months before I gave up. All this to say, if you decide on the Sammy, get the protection plan from wherever you buy it. In the Panny's corner however is their Concierge service (providing a complimentary plasma while you wait for yours to be fixed). Just food for thought.
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like many others on this board, I'm currently trying to decide between these two sets and I just can't seem to come up with a winner. The samsung has more pop along with deeper colors, but it has the the "jutter" issue. While the panasonics have excellent P.Q., they don't seem to "pop" like the new samsungs, IMO. The one thing that really bothers me is that the panny seems to have dirty whites compared to the samsungs. Overall, they are both solid sets for the money.

Panasonic has the best perfect whites if you adjust the temprature settings to 'cool'. Most are set to 'warm' and this gives everything.... a warm hue/feeling.
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Panasonic has the best perfect whites if you adjust the temprature settings to 'cool'. Most are set to 'warm' and this gives everything.... a warm hue/feeling.


I'll have to make this adjustment the next time I view the panny 75/77u sets. This was really the only thing keeping me from going with the panasonic. I really like the 77u and find very little difference in P.Q. when compared to the 75.
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i looked at the samsung last night.. and the picture looked great however
the piano black frame gave me a headache. (very reflective) its takes away from the screen


Check out the Costco version... PE77 has the 75u screen with a matte black px77u frame.
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Check out this comparo. Both the Pansonic and Samsung are in it. In short, this magazine preferred the Samsung. Also, if you read the CNET review it sounds like they also preferred the Samsung even though it got the same score as the Panasonic (Samsung 5064 VS the Panasonic 77U).
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Stay away from Samsung. The picture looks good from 10 feet away, but up close all moving text will flicker and wobble.

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Check out the Costco version... PE77 has the 75u screen with a matte black px77u frame.

or even the costco PC77 with matte finish and anti glare coating.

i have a 42 and its great, looks awesome in my home
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Check out this comparo. Both the Pansonic and Samsung are in it. In short, this magazine preferred the Samsung. Also, if you read the CNET review it sounds like they also preferred the Samsung even though it got the same score as the Panasonic (Samsung 5064 VS the Panasonic 77U).
http://mag1.olivesoftware.com/am/get...eMode=1&Page=1

You are pathetic.


Thanks for the linky... I've been deciding between these two along with the pio for over a month now and think I'm going to give the 5064 a try. I was close to buying the pio today, but just can't justify the extra $800.
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For $100 less, I think the 5054 offers a better value with the exact same screen as the 5064, but slightly less effective glare reduction.
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Also it has a USB port that you can connect devices to as well thumb drives. This is nifty!

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For $100 less, I think the 5054 offers a better value with the exact same screen as the 5064, but slightly less effective glare reduction.

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It's difficult to find the Samsung 5064 in the flesh. Which B&M stores carry this set? Any national chains that have it?
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This unit is widely available.

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It's difficult to find the Samsung 5064 in the flesh. Which B&M stores carry this set? Any national chains that have it?

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For $100 less, I think the 5054 offers a better value with the exact same screen as the 5064, but slightly less effective glare reduction.

Are these the newer models that don't have any good stretch modes (like the old Panorama mode) ? The Samsungs i recently played with at stores only had full and zoom type modes the the PQ turned to crap when selected.

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The 5034, 5054, and 5064 are the current/newer models....

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Are these the newer models that don't have any good stretch modes (like the old Panorama mode) ? The Samsungs i recently played with at stores only had full and zoom type modes the the PQ turned to crap when selected.

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How about the Panasonic TH-50PX60U or 600u??? Last years model, you can find them online for well under 2k.


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One way to decide Carl is if you need really good glare reduction.

If so, the Panny 77U is a good bet.

If not, the Sammy 54 a good choice.


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