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this demo is extreme like some internal masks
few movies has these slowmotion moving objects in plain darkness.
i have checked the youtube version and i know there is black rain in some places already.
but not to the level that you seems to have thats for sure.

so once again there are differences between the sets here

i tried to download it a few days ago but it only said starting.
no downloading
i will check again
The youtube version doesn't have the scenes in question, but you are right, these are special circumstances.

Let's unite like a big happy Kuro family and rid ourselves of the pest that has invaded the Kuro picture thread with Panasonic nonsense.
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this is from the 1080p youtube version as i didnt have enough space? to download the ISO of the demo.
pictures taken when the demo was playing no paused scenes.

i checked the demo 2 times up close
the only scenes were it was some black rain was at the first minute nothing at the rest of the demo and no i didnt spot it were this girl in red lifts her arms into black space.
so here are the scenes i spotted it and you will also see the amount of black rain.

first some black rain just as the ring passes through fast

zoomed in


also some at the engines

zoomed in


nothing here




i must try to get the ISO
i have selected downloads in chrome to another hard drive were i have free space but still it wants to save the file to the small SSD i have C:\ at
so are there more scenes in that iso to check?

just to bad that i havnt got the old 5090 here to compare but these scenes wouldnt be pretty.
with the same blacklevel.

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By the way, makaveddie, i changed rstp to 1 out of curiosity. There wasn't a huge change in black level that i noticed. It got maby a tiny bit darker if i had to guess. Not enough to care so i changed it back.

Full black screen was cleaner though if that makes sense. Not that there was a problem before. But the black just seemed richer? I don't know. I didn't feel like playing around with the other voltages too much yet so i didn't touch S1, or 3 or 4.

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P.S. You're gonna wish you never came in here and riled up all_clear, one of the most rabid and unrealistic Kuro owners. Have fun!
lol
i have gived up on that
you cant convice people (even Kuro owners) that haven't seen a modified KRP on how good they are.
it doesnt matter what you say
i was putting up some specs on another OLED forum that the Kuros has higher motion resolution than the 4K OLEDs but still they dont believe it.
even side by side comparisions isnt good enough.
no you are still biased and can not be taken seriously..

so no point wasting energy and arguing on that on a forum.

a few people knows how good a KRP "can" be while modified with lower blacklevels. (and in same cases higher ABL)
thats enough here
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i didn't touch S1, or 3 or 4.
set VOL YKNOFSA D from 128 to 90 as a test
check "pattern mask 23" for misfires at the low right corner.
you can use that mask as a guide to how low you can set VOL YKNOFSA D
misfires and you have set it to low.

check your blacks when you are done

Edit: just lowering RSTP will not lower the blacks much as you just noticed.

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this is from the 1080p youtube version as i didnt have enough space? to download the ISO of the demo.
pictures taken when the demo was playing no paused scenes.

i checked the demo 2 times up close
the only scenes were it was some black rain was at the first minute nothing at the rest of the demo and no i didnt spot it were this girl in red lifts her arms into black space.
so here are the scenes i spotted it and you will also see the amount of black rain.

first some black rain just as the ring passes through fast

zoomed in


also some at the engines

zoomed in


nothing here




i must try to get the ISO
i have selected downloads in chrome to another hard drive were i have free space but still it wants to save the file to the small SSD i have C:\ at
so are there more scenes in that iso to check?

just to bad that i havnt got the old 5090 here to compare but these scenes wouldnt be pretty.
with the same blacklevel.
There is no black rain on the scene with the girl raising her arms, my mistake. Here are the scenes that showed black rain when my 500m was in "0 blacks" mode:

Project Kuro chapter at the :27 mark on the bottom of the ring as its close to the screen. I don't get black rain on the top of the ring as you do, so the bottom of the ring should look worse than mine.

Water Magic chapter at the 2:03 mark on the bottom of the hand as it moves away to uncover the betta fish.

Water Magic chapter at the 2:22 mark on the top of the lower leg during the kick motion.
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Shame you didn't manage to meet your own commitment then. I fear there is only one person with any insecurities, and he's currently sitting in a dark room fiddling with his obsolete Kuro. Waiting for his mother to cook dinner.
Good grief. This is what happens when you seriously don't know anything about technology and TVs. Your comments and so called facts are seriously laughable. The Kuro is not obsolete in any shape or form. If anything it still is sitting on top for, count them 8 years! Ever wonder why they try to call tvs from last year Kuro killers? Matter of fact every year the headline was "can this be the Kuro killer?" Because no one has done that just yet.

Read your reviews that you are so amazed with. Continue to make up silly facts. Tell any of these guys they have bad dithering and they will completely laugh at you. Kuros do not have any where near the dithering the ZT has. On mid or high ZT dithers quite bad. I know I've onwed two and countless kuros. I can tell you haven't owned a Kuro because you're making up so many false facts. To try to prove something that is false. Go enjoy your ZT. Nobody here cares about the ZT. The ZT reminds me of your entire audio gear. Almost there but just not quite.
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lol
i have gived up on that
you cant convice people that haven't seen a modified KRP on how good they are.
it doesnt matter what you say
i was putting up some specs on another OLED forum that the Kuros has higher motion resolution than the 4K OLEDs but still they dont believe it.
even side by side comparisions isnt good enough.
no you are still biased and can not be taken seriously..

so no point wasting energy and arguing on that on a forum.

a few people knows how good a KRP "can" be while modified with lower blacklevels.
thats enough here
Dont get me wrong, "0 blacks" on my 500m look awesome, but I just can't get over the other aspects that are affected negatively by forcing the set to exceed its specs. The 0 blacks are hard to give up, but I personally prefer an artifact and IR free picture with great black level than one with 0 blacks an artifacts.

If you are ever able to download the ISO, watch the clips and see how tolerable the black rain is.

I saw the same negative effects on my 101fd that had only 1000 hours of use prior to reset.
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By the way, makaveddie, i changed rstp to 1 out of curiosity. There wasn't a huge change in black level that i noticed. It got maby a tiny bit darker if i had to guess. Not enough to care so i changed it back.

Full black screen was cleaner though if that makes sense. Not that there was a problem before. But the black just seemed richer? I don't know. I didn't feel like playing around with the other voltages too much yet so i didn't touch S1, or 3 or 4.
Did you reset your panel or are you simply tweaking?

The impact of rstp depends on its value before you adjust it. Obviously if its set at a higher value, you will see a more dramatic effect when you change it to 1.

You may want to set it higher than its current value and then change it to 1 to see the effect.

The best way to see the change is to put up a black field and send the vrp001 command without entering the service menu.

What I see is rstp acts like a back light, with the light reducing as you lower it. S1/3/4 make the black look inkier as you lower it/them.
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set VOL YKNOFSA D from 128 to 90 as a test
check "pattern mask 23" for misfires at the low right corner.
you can use that mask as a guide to how low you can set VOL YKNOFSA D
misfires and you have set it to low.

check your blacks when you are done

Edit: just lowering RSTP will not lower the blacks much as you just noticed.
Misfires on patterns are irrelevant on the 9.5 gens. As a test, set your volts so you get misfires on any pattern. Now as the pattern is up, issue the "fay" command to exit torch mode and the artifacts will go away. The patterns are a worst case scenario and them not being there when the patterns are seen thru your normal picture mode tells you you will not see these misfires on regular content using your normal picture modes.

Now, if you do the same on a 60 inch Kuro, which is much more sensitive than a 9.5 gen, the artifacts will still be there even after you issue "fay" to exit torch mode. Sure enough you will see artifacts on content if you see artifacts on the patterns after exiting torh mode.
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Did you reset your panel or are you simply tweaking?

The impact of rstp depends on its value before you adjust it. Obviously if its set at a higher value, you will see a more dramatic effect when you change it to 1.

You may want to set it higher than its current value and then change it to 1 to see the effect.

The best way to see the change is to put up a black field and send the vrp001 command without entering the service menu.

What I see is rstp acts like a back light, with the light reducing as you lower it. S1/3/4 make the black look inkier as you lower it/them.
Reset? Heck no! Like i said i just wanted to see what would happen. I don't think i can send commands. I'm using a logitech remote to access the service menu.

My rstp is at an already low 18. Not really alot of room.

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set VOL YKNOFSA D from 128 to 90 as a test
check "pattern mask 23" for misfires at the low right corner.
you can use that mask as a guide to how low you can set VOL YKNOFSA D
misfires and you have set it to low.

check your blacks when you are done

Edit: just lowering RSTP will not lower the blacks much as you just noticed.
I was going to try this next.

EDIT- Forgot this is a pictures thread.

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I'm using a logitech remote to access the service menu.
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did you use this one?
The Official Pioneer 9G Elite KURO Owner's Discussion Thread

i have tried to get the Color Tiger IR remote app to get access to the SM with no luck.
that app can import pronto codes.
http://colortiger.com/pronto2amsr.php
even the staff at color tiger cant get it to work
http://www.colortiger.com/
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i wonder if harmony is adding something more to that code

pictures thread right.
just take a picture with your phone showing those new blacker blacks
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What I really admire about the kuros is all the tweaking stuff.


Reset, black level, ABL...


I cant do anything with that with my ST60. :-(


Yeah, I can reset it, but it wont change anything. :-)


So I really think that one very big advantage of the Kuros is (besides the panel, etc) the possibility to tweak it to the extreme.


Or adjust black level, light output, abl, I really would like to do that.


:-)
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What I really admire about the kuros is all the tweaking stuff.


Reset, black level, ABL...


I cant do anything with that with my ST60. :-(


Yeah, I can reset it, but it wont change anything. :-)


So I really think that one very big advantage of the Kuros is (besides the panel, etc) the possibility to tweak it to the extreme.


Or adjust black level, light output, abl, I really would like to do that.


:-)
I guess it depends how much is based on science, and how much is snake oil. A lot of the so called Kuro tweaking is just snake oil I'm afraid, a myth perpetuated by geeks who get off on boasting about miniscule differences in black levels, and then post meaningless still pictures online to try and prove who's got the biggest wanger.

They even believe in the mythical "9.5G" panels, which even Pioneer themselves deny ever existed.

In the meantime, none of these so called Kuro experts show even a basic level of understanding of Pioneer's CLEAR panel driving tech, which uses contiguous subfields to reduce DFC, but has the by product of reducing the number of colours each pixel can produce, and therefore uses heavy dithering to compensate for this. For some reason, even pointing this out generates hysterical levels of denial. It's not even a criticism, it's just a fact. Panasonic's Binary driving tech also has it's advantages and disadvantages, they are just different.

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You can tweak everything.


Electronics, Cars, etc.


Fe: You can get easy 10% more hp just with different software.


You can tweak you pc, everybody does.


Tweaking will always bring you near to the max, especially with such a living electronics like plasma tv (they change a lot during lifespan)


So I think it is good that you have the possibility to do that. You could also use the term: Adjusting, not tweaking.


That's all. I like that pioneer approach.
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What I really admire about the kuros is all the tweaking stuff.


Reset, black level, ABL...


I cant do anything with that with my ST60. :-(


Yeah, I can reset it, but it wont change anything. :-)


So I really think that one very big advantage of the Kuros is (besides the panel, etc) the possibility to tweak it to the extreme.


Or adjust black level, light output, abl, I really would like to do that.


:-)
I did the same voltage tweaks on the LG PK550 that I had before ,any voltage tweak on a plasma will exhibit side effects,reset to restore blacks probably no but any alteration to voltages will exhibit side effects.

Pany can't be tweak because it have digital voltage potentiometers and the LG and Pioneer have analog voltage potentiometers this TVs wont brick if you clockwise or counterclockwise the potentiometers ,if pany have at least one analog potentiometer and you turn the potentiometer to any direction just a little it will brick your tv.

but like I said the tv will exhibit side effects with voltages alterations.

I think D nice have a proprietary software from the engineers something like that ,I don't remember.



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In the meantime, none of these so called Kuro experts show even a basic level of understanding of Pioneer's CLEAR panel driving tech, which uses contiguous subfields to reduce DFC, but has the by product of reducing the number of colours each pixel can produce, and therefore uses heavy dithering to compensate for this. For some reason, even pointing this out generates hysterical levels of denial. It's not even a criticism, it's just a fact. Panasonic's Binary driving tech also has it's advantages and disadvantages, they are just different.
Clover I think you would find the ZT65 has more in common with the Pioneer Kuro and less in common with legacy Panasonic's than you probably realize, older Panasonics could render 2048x2048x2048 shades while your ZT65 produces 32x31x31 or "30,720 equivalent", if you dither properly that is enough for 4:2:0 content in the sense that in every group of four pixels you have around 64-bits for every 48-bit of video data but it still requires dithering and Panasonic have not really proven themselves in this area, in fact they have taken a well known and well studied concept and turned it into something that takes away from picture quality rather than adds to it, sad but true.

It takes powerful expensive hardware to pull off binary driving, it also requires more power to revisit each cell or subpixel so many times which is why Panasonic had a strong reputation for being less efficient or behind the curve in past times.

So 25-30% extra material costs, extra heat, extra power, prevalence of 4:2:0 sub-sampling, global warming/financial hysteria, declining market share against cut-at-all-costs competition etc, it's easy to see why binary driving was ditched and never returned, it was the perfect storm

 
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What I really admire about the kuros is all the tweaking stuff.
There is a beast inside the kuros.
few has discovered it.

If it wasnt for the tweaking part i would probably own a OLED today and not a Kuro.
the ability to get back the original blacklevels and even lower them further is what makes it interesting.
with lower blacks and highet ABL you have suddenly increased the dynamic range.

Most doesnt know what happends to the picture when you start to lowering the blacks.
you get blacker blacks but the contrast ratio also improves.
lower the blacks from lets say 0.003Y to 0.0015Y and you have doubled the contrast ratio!
this is what has an impact on the whole picture.
you can imagine what happends if you get the blacks close to 0

the blacklevels at 0.003cd/m2 or 0.0015 is no match to get with a few changes.
double the contrast ratio once more to 0.00007Ycd/m2 blacks
thats no match for a KRP and probably not for a fully working 5090 to reach.

The ANSI contrast on this KRP is much higher than this chart but it gives you an idea of what to get.
its only the meter puts an end to the numbers.
As an example i measured the ansi contrast on my old 5090 when i bought it
the numbers were 5000:1 (LCD level)




Edit: if you can get reach almost 0 blacks on an Kuro without problems you will discover a few other interesting things.
you will discover how high contrast a picture will have when it starts from 0 blacks.
you will also notice that these OLEDs lacks behind in micro contrast at these low levels.
OLEDs has 0 blacks but micro contrast isnt up to that "infinity" level as is should be.

a Kuro with almost 0 blacks is a true representant for how high contrasty an image will look starting from 0 not the images you get from an OLED.
OLEDs still looks more like LCDs but with 0 blacks.
a few trix is made to reach to that level there.

One note:
even a standard Kuro at 0.003Y has higher micro contrast than these OLEDs
not overall contrast but micro contrast. (small bright parts gets brighter)

OLED to the left
KRP with 0 blacks to the Right
Both calibrated to 120cd/m2 with an gamma of 2.3

you can see with just a fast look which of the tvs that pops more and has more contrast to it.
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i have tried to get the Color Tiger IR remote app to get access to the SM with no luck.
that app can import pronto codes.
http://colortiger.com/pronto2amsr.php
even the staff at color tiger cant get it to work
http://www.colortiger.com/
http://colortiger.com/faq.php#2

i wonder if harmony is adding something more to that code

pictures thread right.
just take a picture with your phone showing those new blacker blacks
No it was from the other person in that thread.....dcpmark. He had a service remote and set up a harmony account where you could download the code. He put access on the info button. It doesn't work anymore cause somebody changed the password. He said he was going to fix it but was having difficulties. Never heard from him since.

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Cloverleaf, i think you got whatever is that you needed off your chest. You can kindly leave the damn thread now.
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any voltage tweak on a plasma will exhibit side effects,reset to restore blacks probably no but any alteration to voltages will exhibit side effects.
Not true for the Kuros
Every Kuro has some headroom to lowering the blacks below factory levels without sideeffects.
some more than others.
have you done any voltage tweaking on a Kuro ?

i have just spoked to the owner of this Standard KRP
no voltage adjustments was done here
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-...1305283044.htm
just an example of the variations between these KRPs and other Kuros.
some sets were probably set up lower than others at the factory.

quote from the KRP owner in that test
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It was a new one and if someone has been playing with the voltages it must have been done in the factory.

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I always liked the way Tubby's kuro looked durring the day. It also shows kuros don't have to be in a "cave" for you to watch them with good PQ.
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Never in my entire AVS membership tenure have I read a more ignorant and inaccurate post that reeks of jealousy.

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I guess it depends how much is based on science, and how much is snake oil. A lot of the so called Kuro tweaking is just snake oil I'm afraid, a myth perpetuated by geeks who get off on boasting about miniscule differences in black levels, and then post meaningless still pictures online to try and prove who's got the biggest wanger.
Care to provide evidence to support your claim that the tweak is simply snake oil? Oh, you can't because you've never owned an actual Kuro, as you've never disclosed more information other than call it a "Pioneer plasma". I bet it was something along the lines of a 506-PU.

I perform all my tweak via commands while playing a black field and the black level reduction is clearly visible in real time. Meter readings confirm that you can get up to a 50% improvement in black level.

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They even believe in the mythical "9.5G" panels, which even Pioneer themselves deny ever existed.
Perhaps Pioneer never use the term 9.5 generation, as that is something that was adopted by us owners. However, all the 9th generation sets produce a black level of .001 with the exception being the 500M and 101fd, which measure at .0005, hence why people like to differentiate them from the other sets.

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In the meantime, none of these so called Kuro experts show even a basic level of understanding of Pioneer's CLEAR panel driving tech, which uses contiguous subfields to reduce DFC, but has the by product of reducing the number of colours each pixel can produce, and therefore uses heavy dithering to compensate for this. For some reason, even pointing this out generates hysterical levels of denial. It's not even a criticism, it's just a fact. Panasonic's Binary driving tech also has it's advantages and disadvantages, they are just different.
That's a whole lot of mumbo-jumbo from someone who claims dithering is inherent only in Pioneer plasma displays.
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Not true for the Kuros
Every Kuro has some headroom to lowering the blacks below factory levels without sideeffects.
some more than others.
have you done any voltage tweaking on a Kuro ?

i have just spoked to the owner of this Standard KRP
no voltage adjustments was done here
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/zt65-...1305283044.htm
just an example of the variations between these KRPs and other Kuros.
some sets were probably set up lower than others at the factory.

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No sir I haven't done any tweaking on a kuro , previous post back someone mentioned some issues related to voltage adjustments Official Pioneer Kuro Pictures Thread.......

Every single plasma panel have a specific voltages stamped on the back of the panel and they are adjusted right on spot from the factory ,you can turn the potentiometers to some degree but will exhibit some side effect,some effects are not very notable ,it will depend on how far you want to go with the voltages.

if you can do this extreme tweaks without any single issue,then that's great.

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