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I don't think it was in a box but it is "like new" conditions. I trust the guy as he has been a lawn care customer for 5 years. Like I said he has a bunch of toys including a dedicated home theater. I guess ill kick some counter offers at him and see where it goes.
Sounds like you know him personally? 147 hours is basically new but you need to confirm that yourself.


People keep bringing up OLED but what if one doesn't want to buy an OLED. Even if they have the money. New isn't always better or the best choice. And no I'm not talking about OLED issues............In general.

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Good point about the OLED recommendations (which are greatly appreciated) but I was overwhelmed when we decide to narrow down to a plasma as our next tv. We have a panasonic projector in our HT and we love that but were looking for a nice big tv.
We love movies and plasmas always seem to be recommended for "pure" image recreation.
We have zero interest in smart tv features.
I understand that $2000 is considered too high, but from the feedback I guess that the pro-151 is still a great plasma even in 2016.
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I don't think it was in a box but it is "like new" conditions. I trust the guy as he has been a lawn care customer for 5 years. Like I said he has a bunch of toys including a dedicated home theater. I guess ill kick some counter offers at him and see where it goes.
Sounds like you know him personally? 147 hours is basically new but you need to confirm that yourself.


People keep bringing up OLED but what if one doesn't want to buy an OLED. Even if they have the money. New isn't always better or the best choice. And no I'm not talking about OLED issues............In general.
Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
Some of the 2015 oleds are going for a lot cheaper than that. 1080p 55 inch 9100 is $1200, 4K 55 inch 9600/9500 have been $1479, 65 inch 4K 9600 has been $2500 or less.

Whether you think oleds are better is sorta irrelevant (they are at least comparable-I have the 9100 and while there are trade offs, I'm not going back)...

It's about risk. An 8 year old tv, no matter how well built, is going to carry some inherent risk which is why I wouldn't pay comparable dollars for it
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I didn't mean $2000 was a good deal. I don't think i would pay that much. You can find ones that are cheaper. But at that low hours and calibrated i don't know.

If mine ever has any problems i wouldn't mind buying parts and fixing over buying a new TV. So there's that and that's just me.

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I hear ya on that! I would buy replacement parts to fix my ZT60 too. No sense on buying a new TV when for a couple hundred dollars most of the time you can fix it. :-) New Boards most of the time will fix the TV.
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I have to disagree with that point. However, your ZT60 is probably more uniform than any OLED you can buy today, but I find the G6 either equal to or better than my former ZT60 by almost every other metric.

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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I have to disagree with that point. However, your ZT60 is probably more uniform than any OLED you can buy today, but I find the G6 either equal to or better than my former ZT60 by almost every other metric.
Yeah Im not saying that the ZT60 is better than the G6. I have enough common sense and knowledge to see and know that the G6 is superior to the ZT60(Except For The Motion IMO). However I'm just saying that instead of spending $6,000 for the G6 I would rather just repair a board in my ZT60 for a few hundred dollars. That's only because I still love my ZT60. Now if I didn't still love my ZT60 I would buy a G6 or maybe 2. :-) Getting back to the price of that 151 there's no way he should pay $2,000 for it.
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Yeah Im not saying that the ZT60 is better than the G6. I have enough common sense and knowledge to see and know that the G6 is superior to the ZT60(Except For The Motion IMO). However I'm just saying that instead of spending $6,000 for the G6 I would rather just repair a board in my ZT60 for a few hundred dollars. That's only because I still love my ZT60. Now if I didn't still love my ZT60 I would buy a G6 or maybe 2. :-) Getting back to the price of that 151 there's no way he should pay $2,000 for it.
I countered with $1500 and am playing the waiting game. I hope he doesnt frequent this site because I think I would pay the $2000. LOL- I see where some have found treasures with the elite kuros priced @ $500 and to them I say bravo.
They are gorgeous. Palamino!
My situation summed up is this - We want a big plasma tv for the bedroom. Plasma. I appreciate that some may like or acknowledge the superiority of an Oled or 4k this, 4k that, smart tv and the whole 9. We want a plasma and after posting here I bounced around this forum and the pro-151 still seems to be one of the measuring sticks for plasmas.
The market sets itself and they sold new for $6500 but I see that Pioneer lost money making them, leaving me to believe that their value and quality was obviously higher. In a market when every year the "new this" or "new that" takes over as the reigning king of screen it is kind of impressive that the kuro elites reputation is still casting a shadow.
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I countered with $1500 and am playing the waiting game. I hope he doesnt frequent this site because I think I would pay the $2000. LOL- I see where some have found treasures with the elite kuros priced @ $500 and to them I say bravo.
They are gorgeous. Palamino!
My situation summed up is this - We want a big plasma tv for the bedroom. Plasma. I appreciate that some may like or acknowledge the superiority of an Oled or 4k this, 4k that, smart tv and the whole 9. We want a plasma and after posting here I bounced around this forum and the pro-151 still seems to be one of the measuring sticks for plasmas.
The market sets itself and they sold new for $6500 but I see that Pioneer lost money making them, leaving me to believe that their value and quality was obviously higher. In a market when every year the "new this" or "new that" takes over as the reigning king of screen it is kind of impressive that the kuro elites reputation is still casting a shadow.
Well at least $1,500 is better than $2,000! :-) I understand completely.................When you want something specific and you know that you know that you know then there's the answer. It looks like you'll end up getting that 151. I just wish he was a little more fair on the pricing with you. But if you can get it for $1,500 that might not be too bad. Yes the 151 is a gorgeous Plasma but there are also other comparable models you might want to consider. The PRO-141FD and the 600M are just as good as the PRO-151. Also the VT60 & the ZT60 are also comparable and have 65" plasma displays. Lastly the Samsung PN64F8500 was also a great 64" plasma and boasted brighter screen for rooms with more light.

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Price os ridiculously high. If you plan on spending between 2k or 3k for a tv just get and OLED. The 65 inch flat 9600 has been hovering around the high 2k's.

I wouldn't pay more than $500 for ANY Kuro at this point. If you can wait, you're bound to find a great deal on one. I've gotten a 141 for $450 three 111s for less than $300 each and two 5020s for less than $250 each. They are still fantastic TV's but their market value is nowhere near 2 grand.
The Flat is the 9500. The 9600 is a curved model and was the most problematic of the 2015 OLED's. I think 2016 OLED would be best to look into
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If he agrees to $1500 then I am gonna pull the trigger. The way I see it, If this were the world of automotive then the pro-151 is a classic.
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If he agrees to $1500 then I am gonna pull the trigger. The way I see it, If this were the world of automotive then the pro-151 is a classic.
That's a good deal for a lightly used Pro-151FD, it is one fantastic PDP, watching it right now, ISF calibrated.

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I hear ya on that! I would buy replacement parts to fix my ZT60 too. No sense on buying a new TV when for a couple hundred dollars most of the time you can fix it. :-) New Boards most of the time will fix the TV.
I guess i have to be more blunt.....

If i had a choice in spending $1K to $2K on a new in a box kuro, or one very low hours like posted here........I would buy it instead of a new TV.

I'm not going back to LCD and i like the kuros picture over OLED. Besides, there are also reasons outside PQ that i would rather not spend money on OLED right now. I would be more comfortable and satisfied with a kuro. I'm actually hoping i can get another one either new or a little used. I'm still wondering what Pioneer is going to do with all those kuro's they left.

As i like to always say; we all have different priorities and taste.

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I guess i have to be more blunt.....

If i had a choice in spending $1K to $2K on a new in a box kuro, or one very low hours like posted here........I would buy it instead of a new TV.

I'm not going back to LCD and i like the kuros picture over OLED. Besides, there are also reasons outside PQ that i would rather not spend money on OLED right now. I would be more comfortable and satisfied with a kuro. I'm actually hoping i can get another one either new or a little used. I'm still wondering what Pioneer is going to do with all those kuro's they left.

As i like to always say; we all have different priorities and taste.
I certainly understand and respect the fact that you want to stick with your Kuro's and maybe get another one. They're beautiful TV's for sure. Which Kuro do you have again? I had no idea that Pioneer still had left over Kuro's? Were they just not able to sell off the last of their 9G's & 9.5G's?

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I certainly understand and respect the fact that you want to stick with your Kuro's and maybe get another one. They're beautiful TV's for sure. Which Kuro do you have again? I had no idea that Pioneer still had left over Kuro's? Were they just not able to sell off the last of their 9G's & 9.5G's?
Only used ones are available, there is a few on eBay at the moment.

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I certainly understand and respect the fact that you want to stick with your Kuro's and maybe get another one. They're beautiful TV's for sure. Which Kuro do you have again? I had no idea that Pioneer still had left over Kuro's? Were they just not able to sell off the last of their 9G's & 9.5G's?
I have a 151.

Pioneer still has kuros for warranty. That's how rcapprotti is able to keep getting new ones. I'm curious once warranties are up, which should be by now, what are they going to do with them?

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I have a 151.

Pioneer still has kuros for warranty. That's how rcapprotti is able to keep getting new ones. I'm curious once warranties are up, which should be by now, what are they going to do with them?
Nice! Well all I can say is well done rcapprotti! LOL! I'm curious as to what Pioneer will do with their extra Kuro's once the warranties are up too. Keep us posted if you find anything out. I would love to buy a new one for sure.

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You're correct on the fact that if you want to purchase one it'll have to be used. But pioneer still has brand-new ones in their warehouse in Long Beach. If you count the broken one that I received
Pioneer they have sent five of them to me the last couple years including the 141 I have now which I received in April it has right at 25 hours on it
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[quote=Superman23;45601721]Nice! Well all I can say is well done rcapprotti! LOL! I'm curious as to what Pioneer will do with their extra Kuro's once the warranties are up too. Keep us posted if you find anything out. I would love to buy a new one for sure

You could have bought mine new in the box I advertise it on the AVS forms and on eBay before I ever took it out of the box. I might have cleaned pioneer warehouse out they sent five of them to
me In the last couple years two 6020 one arrived broken a 151 and two 141

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Nice! Well all I can say is well done rcapprotti! LOL! I'm curious as to what Pioneer will do with their extra Kuro's once the warranties are up too. Keep us posted if you find anything out. I would love to buy a new one for sure

You could have bought mine new in the box I advertise it on the AVS forms and on eBay before I ever took it out of the box. I might have cleaned pioneer warehouse out they sent five of them to
me In the last couple years two 6020 one arrived broken a 151 and two 141
Shoot!? Sorry I missed out on the sale. But I'm sure you're glad that you kept it anyway! It's a beautiful TV. Geeze cant believe they had to send you 5 replacement Kuro's? What happened to them where they had to replace them?

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If he agrees to $1500 then I am gonna pull the trigger. The way I see it, If this were the world of automotive then the pro-151 is a classic.
Its your money, but you are grossly overpaying. Market value is nowhere near that, unrealistic eBay prices be damned. Using eBay and Amazon as a price barometer is the worst mistake you can make. Just look at how long those ridiculously priced sets have been listed on eBay to get an idea on their market value and demand. There has to be another 60 inch Kuro on craigslist near your area with a more realistic price and owner who is more flexible. You seem to think this is the only 151fd ever made. Again, your money, just offering some friendly advice. If you are patient enough, you'll find a more reasonably priced set.

While great TVs, they are still 8 years old, regardless of hour count. I would make sure the claimed hour count is legitimate as the hour meter can be easily reset. There is a way to tell if the hour meter was reset, but it's not readily visible in the service menu. Plus there's the elephant in the room known as red tint, something that the set may or may not have at this point but will most likely get at one point. Let me tell you, red tint on a 60 inch Kuro is pretty much irremovable unless you want to make some picture quality sacrifices. Plus, removing it on a 60 inch set is no easy task.

You need to assess the sellers situation and bargain based on it. Most of the time, sellers just want the Kuro out of the house because it's been replaced by a newer set. This is where you pounce and bargain. The set will NOT sell for $1500 so don't rush into it. Let the guy realize that there's no demand for it and he'll come crawling back. Its the same story arc for these first time sellers - they list at ridiculously high price (using eBay, Amazon or even MSRP from back in 2008), no one bites, then reality hits and they start lowering the price. Its a double edged sword when dealing folks who don't know a lot about the Kuro - either they don't know what they have and will sell ot dirt cheap, or they overestimate what they have and list it at an exhorbitant price.

The fact that a set is calibrated doesn't raise its value IMO because I'm going to perform a fresh calibration anyways. Plus calibrations drift over time. It's like paying premium for a car that's been recently washed - it will get dirty again anyways.

Buying a brand new in the box Kuro is more risky than buying a used one IMO because the used one is confirmed to be working for an extended period of time, while you're rolling the dice on a brand new one as the owner's typically don't want to take it out of the box for testing thinking it's going to lower the set's value . Plus the asking price for brand new sets is ridiculous. Only brand new Kuro I would ever buy would be straight from Pioneer so long as a warranty was attached to it and price waa reasonable.
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Hell, where are you located? I'll sell you my 141fd with stand (and I'll perform a fresh calibration and tweak the black level) for $1400
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Problems solved! Eddie is the Kuro Expert! You would much rather buy his 141fd with his calibration touches then from someone who isn't half as advanced. Provided your in his area of course. LOL!

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