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I don't think it was in a box but it is "like new" conditions. I trust the guy as he has been a lawn care customer for 5 years. Like I said he has a bunch of toys including a dedicated home theater. I guess ill kick some counter offers at him and see where it goes.
Sounds like you know him personally? 147 hours is basically new but you need to confirm that yourself.


People keep bringing up OLED but what if one doesn't want to buy an OLED. Even if they have the money. New isn't always better or the best choice. And no I'm not talking about OLED issues............In general.

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Good point about the OLED recommendations (which are greatly appreciated) but I was overwhelmed when we decide to narrow down to a plasma as our next tv. We have a panasonic projector in our HT and we love that but were looking for a nice big tv.
We love movies and plasmas always seem to be recommended for "pure" image recreation.
We have zero interest in smart tv features.
I understand that $2000 is considered too high, but from the feedback I guess that the pro-151 is still a great plasma even in 2016.
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I don't think it was in a box but it is "like new" conditions. I trust the guy as he has been a lawn care customer for 5 years. Like I said he has a bunch of toys including a dedicated home theater. I guess ill kick some counter offers at him and see where it goes.
Sounds like you know him personally? 147 hours is basically new but you need to confirm that yourself.


People keep bringing up OLED but what if one doesn't want to buy an OLED. Even if they have the money. New isn't always better or the best choice. And no I'm not talking about OLED issues............In general.
Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
Some of the 2015 oleds are going for a lot cheaper than that. 1080p 55 inch 9100 is $1200, 4K 55 inch 9600/9500 have been $1479, 65 inch 4K 9600 has been $2500 or less.

Whether you think oleds are better is sorta irrelevant (they are at least comparable-I have the 9100 and while there are trade offs, I'm not going back)...

It's about risk. An 8 year old tv, no matter how well built, is going to carry some inherent risk which is why I wouldn't pay comparable dollars for it
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I didn't mean $2000 was a good deal. I don't think i would pay that much. You can find ones that are cheaper. But at that low hours and calibrated i don't know.

If mine ever has any problems i wouldn't mind buying parts and fixing over buying a new TV. So there's that and that's just me.

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I hear ya on that! I would buy replacement parts to fix my ZT60 too. No sense on buying a new TV when for a couple hundred dollars most of the time you can fix it. :-) New Boards most of the time will fix the TV.
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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I have to disagree with that point. However, your ZT60 is probably more uniform than any OLED you can buy today, but I find the G6 either equal to or better than my former ZT60 by almost every other metric.

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Very good point about the OLED. I own a ZT60 and have no plans of upgrading to OLED for a while. I still like my plasma technology better than OLED. But I just don't think that $2,000 is a fair offer for an 8 year old TV. Especially since some of the newer TV's are going for between $2,000 - $3,000.
I have to disagree with that point. However, your ZT60 is probably more uniform than any OLED you can buy today, but I find the G6 either equal to or better than my former ZT60 by almost every other metric.
Yeah Im not saying that the ZT60 is better than the G6. I have enough common sense and knowledge to see and know that the G6 is superior to the ZT60(Except For The Motion IMO). However I'm just saying that instead of spending $6,000 for the G6 I would rather just repair a board in my ZT60 for a few hundred dollars. That's only because I still love my ZT60. Now if I didn't still love my ZT60 I would buy a G6 or maybe 2. :-) Getting back to the price of that 151 there's no way he should pay $2,000 for it.
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Yeah Im not saying that the ZT60 is better than the G6. I have enough common sense and knowledge to see and know that the G6 is superior to the ZT60(Except For The Motion IMO). However I'm just saying that instead of spending $6,000 for the G6 I would rather just repair a board in my ZT60 for a few hundred dollars. That's only because I still love my ZT60. Now if I didn't still love my ZT60 I would buy a G6 or maybe 2. :-) Getting back to the price of that 151 there's no way he should pay $2,000 for it.
I countered with $1500 and am playing the waiting game. I hope he doesnt frequent this site because I think I would pay the $2000. LOL- I see where some have found treasures with the elite kuros priced @ $500 and to them I say bravo.
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My situation summed up is this - We want a big plasma tv for the bedroom. Plasma. I appreciate that some may like or acknowledge the superiority of an Oled or 4k this, 4k that, smart tv and the whole 9. We want a plasma and after posting here I bounced around this forum and the pro-151 still seems to be one of the measuring sticks for plasmas.
The market sets itself and they sold new for $6500 but I see that Pioneer lost money making them, leaving me to believe that their value and quality was obviously higher. In a market when every year the "new this" or "new that" takes over as the reigning king of screen it is kind of impressive that the kuro elites reputation is still casting a shadow.
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I countered with $1500 and am playing the waiting game. I hope he doesnt frequent this site because I think I would pay the $2000. LOL- I see where some have found treasures with the elite kuros priced @ $500 and to them I say bravo.
They are gorgeous. Palamino!
My situation summed up is this - We want a big plasma tv for the bedroom. Plasma. I appreciate that some may like or acknowledge the superiority of an Oled or 4k this, 4k that, smart tv and the whole 9. We want a plasma and after posting here I bounced around this forum and the pro-151 still seems to be one of the measuring sticks for plasmas.
The market sets itself and they sold new for $6500 but I see that Pioneer lost money making them, leaving me to believe that their value and quality was obviously higher. In a market when every year the "new this" or "new that" takes over as the reigning king of screen it is kind of impressive that the kuro elites reputation is still casting a shadow.
Well at least $1,500 is better than $2,000! :-) I understand completely.................When you want something specific and you know that you know that you know then there's the answer. It looks like you'll end up getting that 151. I just wish he was a little more fair on the pricing with you. But if you can get it for $1,500 that might not be too bad. Yes the 151 is a gorgeous Plasma but there are also other comparable models you might want to consider. The PRO-141FD and the 600M are just as good as the PRO-151. Also the VT60 & the ZT60 are also comparable and have 65" plasma displays. Lastly the Samsung PN64F8500 was also a great 64" plasma and boasted brighter screen for rooms with more light.

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Price os ridiculously high. If you plan on spending between 2k or 3k for a tv just get and OLED. The 65 inch flat 9600 has been hovering around the high 2k's.

I wouldn't pay more than $500 for ANY Kuro at this point. If you can wait, you're bound to find a great deal on one. I've gotten a 141 for $450 three 111s for less than $300 each and two 5020s for less than $250 each. They are still fantastic TV's but their market value is nowhere near 2 grand.
The Flat is the 9500. The 9600 is a curved model and was the most problematic of the 2015 OLED's. I think 2016 OLED would be best to look into
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If he agrees to $1500 then I am gonna pull the trigger. The way I see it, If this were the world of automotive then the pro-151 is a classic.
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If he agrees to $1500 then I am gonna pull the trigger. The way I see it, If this were the world of automotive then the pro-151 is a classic.
That's a good deal for a lightly used Pro-151FD, it is one fantastic PDP, watching it right now, ISF calibrated.

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I have 3 Elites and one standard 2 42", 1 50" and 1 60". Love them.


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