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I've got a Panasonic TC-P42S2 that I must have bought sometime in 2010. Just out of curiosity, I checked it this morning for burn-in and/or IR. All I was able to use was the built in screen wiper tool, which I didn't even know it had until just recently. I saw nothing. I never did anything with this TV other than plug it in and start using it. I've gamed on this thing, watched all kinds of content etc., much of which I'm sure had static logos on the screen. It's kind of disappointing to find out that their newer plasma displays are so susceptible to this issue. I never even took that into consideration prior to purchasing the 55" VT60 from my friend. I just assumed it wasn't something I needed to worry about. I wish I had spent a bit of time researching prior to purchase.
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Ok, so I'm going to grab a new plasma next week and wanting to prepare for it and get some burn-in slides ready. I downloaded the linked slides in post #1 of this thread (Evangelo's slides). Do I just put them on a loop and run them for a 100 hours? Is that it? Any settings need to be tweaked on the TV when running the slides? Thanks!
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Ok, so I'm going to grab a new plasma next week and wanting to prepare for it and get some burn-in slides ready. I downloaded the linked slides in post #1 of this thread (Evangelo's slides). Do I just put them on a loop and run them for a 100 hours? Is that it? Any settings need to be tweaked on the TV when running the slides? Thanks!
Yep you can run them in a loop to assist with phosphor aging. Some people will also djust the brightness and contrast down a bit. You can also just watch as much full screen/logo free content as possible for the first 100-200hrs. For my panel, I ran the slides for two weeks straight whenever I was not using it. So I used a combo of actually watching the panel and using color slides for the first 336 hours. I then had my panel (ST50) professionally calibrated and it looks great.

Congrats and Enjoy your Panel.
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Is this implying that displaying a static white image might reduce, or eliminate, permanent IR or burn?


http://pde.knu.ac.kr/publication/rec...ay%20panel.pdf
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Yep you can run them in a loop to assist with phosphor aging. Some people will also djust the brightness and contrast down a bit. You can also just watch as much full screen/logo free content as possible for the first 100-200hrs. For my panel, I ran the slides for two weeks straight whenever I was not using it. So I used a combo of actually watching the panel and using color slides for the first 336 hours. I then had my panel (ST50) professionally calibrated and it looks great.

Congrats and Enjoy your Panel.
Thanks Cuda! Sounds like a plan to me. Im thinking the same thing, run the slides when Im not watching the TV. Thanks for the reply again Although Im thinking now, how would I put the slides on a loop from a thumb drive as there just images (how long should each image display before moving on to the next one)?
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Thanks Cuda! Sounds like a plan to me. Im thinking the same thing, run the slides when Im not watching the TV. Thanks for the reply again Although Im thinking now, how would I put the slides on a loop from a thumb drive as there just images (how long should each image display before moving on to the next one)?
My Panny ST50 has a repeat setting that plays the images in a loop from my thumb drive. I can also set the image display interval to slow, medium or fast. I used the slow interval during my panel's soft aging process so each color was displayed decent period of time.
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My Panny ST50 has a repeat setting that plays the images in a loop from my thumb drive. I can also set the image display interval to slow, medium or fast. I used the slow interval during my panel's soft aging process so each color was displayed decent period of time.
Ah k, well Ill see if my TV has something similar when I get it next week (Samsung). If not, Ill have to figure out another way to put the images on a slideshow at slow speed.
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Is this implying that displaying a static white image might reduce, or eliminate, permanent IR or burn?


http://pde.knu.ac.kr/publication/rec...ay%20panel.pdf
Didn't read the whole paper, but from abstract and summary this follows for what I was taught during my ISF cert class in 07. But not really for burn in. If you truly burn an image then it is not image retention. The effects may be reduced for burn in, but if you want to get rid of it completely you need to buy a new a set [emoji6] .

This is more for seasoning a new TV to reduce the chances of burn to a degree more than the technology has, greatly reducing the chances of IR, and getting rid of accidental IR.

I'll read through the whole paper and get back to you to confirm or deny what I have stated.

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Is it true that, in comparison to the VT60, the ZT60 display contains no MgO, or magnesium oxide, making it less susceptible to burn in or IR? I remember reading that somewhere, but just wondered if anyone could confirm.
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Is it true that, in comparison to the VT60, the ZT60 display contains no MgO, or magnesium oxide, making it less susceptible to burn in or IR? I remember reading that somewhere, but just wondered if anyone could confirm.
Can't help you on that one. Sounds like inside info someone could could loose their job over. Someone may have let it slip though. In any case, I would assume that would be a selling point, only there wouldn't be talk about MgO, just less IR. Of course that would imply a problem with the VT, so I really don't know.

Still gotta read that paper.

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Can't help you on that one. Sounds like inside info someone could could loose their job over. Someone may have let it slip though. In any case, I would assume that would be a selling point, only there wouldn't be talk about MgO, just less IR. Of course that would imply a problem with the VT, so I really don't know.

Still gotta read that paper.

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This is where I saw the comment about the ZT60 not using MgO.

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This is where I saw the comment about the ZT60 not using MgO.

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Heh, one post that wasn't even acknowledged by anyone in thread. I would dismiss it as of now, until you see it from another source, if that ever happens.

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Burn-in is still a major problem unfortunately. Watched about 400-500 hours with low-contrast, low brightness settings or our main basement unit - Samsung PN51E550 and about three months ago we noticed the ESPN logo form the ticker, Xbox One logo, and various horizontal lines visible on all white to gray images. Had to replace with an LED which is a huge bummer because the PQ on the plasma was the best I've ever seen.
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When I turned my TV on this morning, I could see IR on my 55" VT60 from the Vierra logo that comes up when the set is powered on. It seemed to go away pretty quickly, but that still seems a bit messed up to me honestly.
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I've had mine for over 7 months now and I see the same thing. I'm not worried as it is not permanent. These 3D panels are more susceptible than previous ones.

My 2007 1080p (non-3D) panel never had this issue. 3D is the reason from what I've read.
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I have a Panasonic Plasma TC-P50GT30 with 2200 hours counted on it.
I think i may have a burn in. I can barely see a logo in the bottom right of the screen.
Since I'm not the 1st user on it, i don't know since when this occurred.
Do you think it's still possible to recover from this or not ?
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