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It's strange how some people running in there TV with a break in DVD cause more damage than just using the TV normally. That's three people with screenburn so far.

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It's strange how some people running in there TV with a break in DVD cause more damage than just using the TV normally. That's three people with screenburn so far.

While this thread may have had good intentions, right now it is doing nothing but adding to the paranoia of what used to be a serious concern. Although I am at 150 hours, I still get a little anxious when watching the History channel, certain movies with the black bars, and while gaming. The paranoia is subsiding as I see no traces of IR, let alone burn-in. Funny thing is I bought a 42" plasma a while back, knew nothing of burn-in or IR, and the TV is perfectly fine with no break in and watching content with black bars. As someone told me, mix up the content you view, and you will never have a problem.
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It's strange how some people running in there TV with a break in DVD cause more damage than just using the TV normally. That's three people with screenburn so far.

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While this thread may have had good intentions, right now it is doing nothing but adding to the paranoia of what used to be a serious concern. Although I am at 150 hours, I still get a little anxious when watching the History channel, certain movies with the black bars, and while gaming. The paranoia is subsiding as I see no traces of IR, let alone burn-in. Funny thing is I bought a 42" plasma a while back, knew nothing of burn-in or IR, and the TV is perfectly fine with no break in and watching content with black bars. As someone told me, mix up the content you view, and you will never have a problem.

Both of these statements are misleading and frankly not fair.

It's true, the newest generation of plasmas have virtually no IR and extremely robust Burn-in resistance.

That said, intimating that running a break-in routine will actually increase chances of burn-in is irresponsible. Furthermore, there is no doubt that the phosphors in plasma technology do age, what harm can there be in an initial break-in period where that aging is as even as possible? To say the thread is doing nothing but adding to paranoia is hyperbole.

I followed the Break-in procedure and have never looked back. I'm never anxious about my display, I watch all content, my son games, etc. We've had a small handful of minor IR and obviously no Burn-in.

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Just a few simple questions...

I'm probably getting a Panasonic 50PZ800U. I don't plan on running a break-in dvd, but will just watch 1.85:1 content for the first 100 hours (I guess). Mainly for the even burn of the phosphors more so than image retention. But I will eventually be watching a lot of 2.35:1 and 4:3 (center screen with bars on side) content.

1. Are there suggested settings for this display for "break-in"?

2. Should you not adjust your settings with Bluray DVD Essentials or something like that until after the 100 hour break-in period? Or can you do it right away? (If it's right away, then that would mean the answer to #1 is "no", right?)

3. Is it okay to watch the occasional 2.35:1 (with bars at top/bottom) in the first 100 hours, or are we talking strict "fill the screen" content only?

4. Same question as #3, but with 4:3 content.

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Is there a certain "mode" you should keep it in for the first 100 hours? (This is related to Question #1.)

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I was not saying that one should not run the break in DVD, or not err on the side of caution for the first 100 hours. But some of these posts scare people to the point where they would probably not buy a plasma if they had to do it again. I am a lot more educated now about burn-in and IR, but if I had read this thread prior to buying a plasma, I would have went with the Samsung 9 series LCD. Which would have meant me missing out on the amazing picture my Panny gives me. People just need to know be careful for the first 100 hours, follow the faq and enjoy the TV A little common sense goes a long way.

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I have downloaded the ISO files but not sure how to convert them to jpeg and transfer them to memory card. Is there any instruction somewhere?

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I have downloaded the ISO files but not sure how to convert them to jpeg and transfer them to memory card. Is there any instruction somewhere?

I have an 800u and simply moved the ISO images into the root folder of a 2GB SD card. Popped it in to the Panny and followed the set's directions to run a continuous slide show. For someone with as little experience as I have with photocards, the process couldn't have been smoother.
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I didn't bother with break-in on my 50pz800u except for watching everything in the default THX setting and filling the screen for the first 50 hours. For the next 50 hours I started watching HD DVDs and Blu-ray discs with black bars. After 100 total hours I started tweaking my settings and switched my settings to Custom mode for daytime viewing and tweaked the THX mode for evening viewing. It's been a little over a month and I haven't seen a hint of IR.

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Is looping the break-in images via DVD a feature through the DVD player or through the TV? I have a PZ85U and was wondering...Because I think I can connect my Macbook to the TV and run the images through iPhoto on a continuous loop. THe question is would I want to have them running of my laptop for 12 hrs straight at a time?
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I have an 800u and simply moved the ISO images into the root folder of a 2GB SD card. Popped it in to the Panny and followed the set's directions to run a continuous slide show. For someone with as little experience as I have with photocards, the process couldn't have been smoother.

I will try that. Thanks

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I downloaded the Break In images off Evangelo's website and curious to know what the "Thumbs.db" file is all about? Is it an application that allows for the looping? Thanks
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you can delete that. It's a thumbnail database file recognized by Windows.

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you can delete that. It's a thumbnail database file recognized by Windows.

Ok, thanks.
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I have an 800u and simply moved the ISO images into the root folder of a 2GB SD card. Popped it in to the Panny and followed the set's directions to run a continuous slide show. For someone with as little experience as I have with photocards, the process couldn't have been smoother.

When zipped the iso all I have is .ts files not jpeg.
Panny did not even recognise the .ts files so I have no idea how yours played the .ts files.
Could someone post a link as how to convert the iso files to jpeg
or is there a jpeg version that I can download?

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you can delete that. It's a thumbnail database file recognized by Windows.

Ok, I got an update. So I purchased an SD reader/writer from BB and I'm using a 512MB Sandisk SD card. I hooked up the r/w to my Macbook, downloaded the Break-in images to the SD card, and popped the card into my PZ85U. When the card reads, it reads an additional 5 files as an "Error", prompting the screen with an "Cannot read file" message.

To be specific, it does this after every actual image.

Has anyone else experienced this?
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When zipped the iso all I have is .ts files not jpeg.
Panny did not even recognise the .ts files so I have no idea how yours played the .ts files.
Could someone post a link as how to convert the iso files to jpeg
or is there a jpeg version that I can download?

refer to my post# 1077
there you can download the .ISO file via the link I have provided.


Once downloaded and the zip file is run, you will have two files.

EA_BREAKIN_DVD.ISO

EA_BREAKIN_DVD.MDS. <-- this can be deleted.


'BURN the image' of the ISO file using NERO to a DVD+R or DVD-R.
Important the the ISO file is burned not copied to the DVD. Both methods are different and both will yield different results.

If NERO is not an option, you can use a program called 'ConvertXtoDVD'

Do a torrent search to download the program, it does a fantastic job converting the iso file to a dvd format and copied onto a dvd all in one task.

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I should be getting my PN58A650 this week and want to start off on the right foot. With that being said, I have read through the majority of this thread and seem to be a bit confused. I just downloaded the "break in file.iso" from post #1077 I will burn that to a DVD and just loop that on my DVD player....is this sufficient or should I be doing something in combination with that?
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When zipped the iso all I have is .ts files not jpeg.
Panny did not even recognise the .ts files so I have no idea how yours played the .ts files.
Could someone post a link as how to convert the iso files to jpeg
or is there a jpeg version that I can download?

That's odd. I just checked my files and none of them have a file extension like .ts, but they all say JPG as the file type. I'm pretty sure I simply downloaded them from the same place everyone else did, unzipped the folder, and dragged and dropped the embedded folder with all the image files onto a new SD card. The file names are "Slide01-1080p" through "Slide20-1080p".
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I should be getting my PN58A650 this week and want to start off on the right foot. With that being said, I have read through the majority of this thread and seem to be a bit confused. I just downloaded the "break in file.iso" from post #1077 I will burn that to a DVD and just loop that on my DVD player....is this sufficient or should I be doing something in combination with that?

That is perfectly fine. You may want to up the contrast and brightness a little but other than that, you are good to go.

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That is perfectly fine. You may want to up the contrast and brightness a little but other than that, you are good to go.

I always during break in I wanted to go down on the contrast and brightness?
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I always during break in I wanted to go down on the contrast and brightness?

Contrast and Brightness to 90 while the break in dvd is running.

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Contrast and Brightness to 90 while the break in dvd is running.

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refer to my post# 1077
there you can download the .ISO file via the link I have provided.


Once downloaded and the zip file is run, you will have two files.

EA_BREAKIN_DVD.ISO

EA_BREAKIN_DVD.MDS. <-- this can be deleted.


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If NERO is not an option, you can use a program called 'ConvertXtoDVD'

Do a torrent search to download the program, it does a fantastic job converting the iso file to a dvd format and copied onto a dvd all in one task.

I am trying to do JPeg from ISO file to the memory card not DVD. Thanks anyway.

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Hello

I have a new Panasonic TH46PZ800 since three weeks.
I read an article about the necessity of running a break-in continuous sequence to age the pixels on my display.
It's at Evangelos Angelides's website , her at :

http://www.eaprogramming.com/

I have downloaded the zip file, decompressed it and copied this block of images on a SD card ready to run in diaporama mode with loop-back playing.
They say we have to turn down at minimum the Contrast and brightness controls.
But in my display I don't have the contrast but I have brightness.
Is it OK if I turn down the "picture" and brightness?

But I heard that these tests are not very necessary because the display had already been aged at Panasonic.

Am I doing the right thing here?
Over 700 hours!!! Is that right?
Why 100 hours or so would not be enough?
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How much of an issue are the stationary tv logos in the bottom corners of the screen when watching stuff on a hidef plasma? (Particularly 50PZ800U.)

Do they cause serious image retention? What about burn-in?

I guess you should avoid them in the first 100 hours, right? But what's the situation after that?

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There's no set answer as it's a combination of variables.

Make & model of the TV
Contrast & brightness settings
Is orbiter on or off?
Logo see through or solid? If solid what colour and what intensity?
How long on that channel? Any ad breaks?
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How much of an issue are the stationary tv logos in the bottom corners of the screen when watching stuff on a hidef plasma? (Particularly 50PZ800U.)

Do they cause serious image retention? What about burn-in?

I guess you should avoid them in the first 100 hours, right? But what's the situation after that?

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I have a 50" plasma panny. Broke TV in as described in many post. I have played video games on my ps3 as much or more then watching regular TV. Sometimes 6 hours straight with zero burn in. In 6 months now I have had zero BI or IR issues. I have heard Panny's are better with this, so I can't comment on other brands. No worries when gaming in extended sessions, or stupid logo's. In my eyes BI is only a myth with newer Panny's anyway.
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Read the Break-in FAQ

I did!

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Mix up your viewing to avoid long periods on the same channel with tickers or station logos

So, specifically, how long is it okay to watch something with the same ticker/logo in the corner after break-in (either 4:3 center, or filling the screen in hidef)? (Or did I miss that in the FAQ. If so, sorry!)

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So, specifically, how long is it okay to watch something with the same ticker/logo in the corner after break-in (either 4:3 center, or filling the screen in hidef)? (Or did I miss that in the FAQ. If so, sorry!)

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