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post #2251 of 5249 Old 07-17-2010, 05:02 PM
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Why not just download the slides to a USB jump drive? It's easier and you don't have to have the PS3 on to do it.

That's probably the easiest. Thanks
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No problem. I initially was going to use my PS3 as well, but figured since I had the extra jump drive, I would put it to use. You shouldn't have any problems. Make sure to set the speed to slow and to max out contrast. For my LG PK550, I used these settings in Vivid I believe:

Contrast: 100
Brightness: 60
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White Balance: Mid-point or Normal

I loosely based those settings off of my previous break-in with my Panasonic.

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Can you not just set it to a HD channel that has no logos 24/7?
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Can you not just set it to a HD channel that has no logos 24/7?

With slides you work the pixels uniformly, so the panel should be evenly aged.
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I have a brand new Samsung PN58C8000. I have been running the slides for the past few days straight, shutting the tv off for 1-2 hours a day just to give it a break.

I am just wondering should the slides be running on the settings out of the box, or should I set the contrast up or any other settings while running the breakin slides?

I appreciate the help/advice... Thanks!!!
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I have a brand new Samsung PN58C8000. I have been running the slides for the past few days straight, shutting the tv off for 1-2 hours a day just to give it a break.

I am just wondering should the slides be running on the settings out of the box, or should I set the contrast up or any other settings while running the breakin slides?

I appreciate the help/advice... Thanks!!!

If you are just breaking-in the TV then it should be fine to run the slides under your normal settings. Running the slides under Vivid or Dynamic, Contrast maxed, helps when you are trying to get rid of image retention.
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Newb here and I have taken a look at some of the comments. Recommendations for my new 58VT25?

What happens if I do nothing and use it as is?
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Newb here and I have taken a look at some of the comments. Recommendations for my new 58VT25?

What happens if I do nothing and use it as is?

Get out of "torch" mode as quick as you can, that is drop the Contrast down to a reasonable level. As long as you mostly watch full screen content and don't game you should be alright. If you are going to game, you should try and hold off until you get some hours in. The break-in slides are a big help with this.
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Get out of "torch" mode as quick as you can, that is drop the Contrast down to a reasonable level. As long as you mostly watch full screen content and don't game you should be alright. If you are going to game, you should try and hold off until you get some hours in. The break-in slides are a big help with this.

Thanks. I am almost always in HD 16x9 mode. I play a bit of gaming. Now a few things/jargon I don't understand: "torch" mode? break-in slides?

Thanks, very much appreciated.
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Thanks. I am almost always in HD 16x9 mode. I play a bit of gaming. Now a few things/jargon I don't understand: "torch" mode? break-in slides?

Thanks, very much appreciated.

"Torch" mode is a high Contrast mode, like Vivid, which is meant for the show room to catch a customer's eye. Too high a Contrast coupled with a static image will result in IR. So drop down the Contrast to 60 or below. If you game, keep your sessions brief with a new plasma. Even after a month I got some nasty IR from Demon's Souls on my 54VT25 so be careful. The break-in slides are availabe in a DVD ISO here. The DVD will loop and is a good way to get some hours in. Also can help to wash away IR if you get any.
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"Torch" mode is a high Contrast mode, like Vivid, which is meant for the show room to catch a customer's eye. Too high a Contrast coupled with a static image will result in IR. So drop down the Contrast to 60 or below. If you game, keep your sessions brief with a new plasma. Even after a month I got some nasty IR from Demon's Souls on my 54VT25 so be careful. The break-in slides are availabe in a DVD ISO here. The DVD will loop and is a good way to get some hours in. Also can help to wash away IR if you get any.

Thanks thanks for your patience. I currently have TV in THX mode, contrast +60, brightness +55, color +50, tint 0, sharpness +75

I will be sure to look at the link u posted.

Thanks again.
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I have just ordered a Panasonic G20, european version. And I get it tomorrow!

does I need to do anything to get the best picture that I can get without having to get professional technicion? Also do I need to do anything the first 100-200 hours to not get any image retention or burn in?

cheers!
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What they do is professional calibration. Basically. They tweak your TV to looks it's best. Is it needed? No. Will there be a difference in your set? Yes. It will run cooler and your picture will be overall better. Better color. Details. ETC. chances are. If you already like how your set looks. Then don't do it. If you wonder how much better it looks. Then give it a try.


Why would it run cooler?
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Why would it run cooler?
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Your set would run cooler because it would be operating at and overall normal temp. (6500K) and most sets come WAY higher then it should. Like 10-12K which also gives out more heat. When they set everything to how it should be. Overall, your set will run much cooler. Also improve life on your set
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Your set would run cooler because it would be operating at and overall normal temp. (6500K) and most sets come WAY higher then it should. Like 10-12K which also gives out more heat. When they set everything to how it should be. Overall, your set will run much cooler. Also improve life on your set

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Why do they typically come so much higher?
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Why do they typically come so much higher?

It's just how manufactures have there sets. I honestly can't think of a "good reason" they have there sets the way they do. Maybe it's easier to have them higher and have people adjust them to lower? Vs lower and try to push higher? I think the MAIN reason they have there sets so high is just to try and get sales. "torch mode" helps them stand out more on the sales floor.
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I want a panasonic s2, but am wondering if IR or burn in would be a problem. My mom watches tv with logos pretty much all day. Would the logos on all day eventually lead to burn in (i've heard accumulated IR leads to burn in, is this true?) or does the pixel orbiter and commercials help stop it. I also wouldn't want to use the white screen much
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I want a panasonic s2, but am wondering if IR or burn in would be a problem. My mom watches tv with logos pretty much all day. Would the logos on all day eventually lead to burn in (i've heard accumulated IR leads to burn in, is this true?) or does the pixel orbiter and commercials help stop it. I also wouldn't want to use the white screen much

If it led to burn-in you would here most of us plasma owners complaining about it. You don't hear us complaining about it because it's not an issue. I have two Panasonic plasmas, one has the white screen wash feature. I've had the TV almost two years and have never engaged the feature.

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I want a panasonic s2, but am wondering if IR or burn in would be a problem. My mom watches tv with logos pretty much all day. Would the logos on all day eventually lead to burn in (i've heard accumulated IR leads to burn in, is this true?) or does the pixel orbiter and commercials help stop it. I also wouldn't want to use the white screen much

It's not an issue. I have had two so far nd had no issue and most HD channels have such logos nowadays
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I want a panasonic s2, but am wondering if IR or burn in would be a problem. My mom watches tv with logos pretty much all day. Would the logos on all day eventually lead to burn in (i've heard accumulated IR leads to burn in, is this true?) or does the pixel orbiter and commercials help stop it. I also wouldn't want to use the white screen much

Unless you love the History Channel, worst logo IR offender, you should be fine. IR is real however and not a thing of the past but will mostly occur due to gaming or watching 4:3 content for prolonged periods. Burn-in is considered a non-issue because it takes quite a while for IR to be classified as such.
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Logos that are semi transparent like MTV and NBC, et al are fine though right?
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If it led to burn-in you would here most of us plasma owners complaining about it. You don't hear us complaining about it because it's not an issue. I have two Panasonic plasmas, one has the white screen wash feature. I've had the TV almost two years and have never engaged the feature.

I still see PDPs with burned in images from banners and shopping channels. It usually does not happen with the type of people who post here, but with the consumer who has no idea what IR or phosphor aging are. The ones that I see are usually running the sets at full contrast and leaving the set on the same channel for hours at a time day after day. I just saw a panasonic not more than a year and a half old recently with banners burned into the bottom badly.

For those who are mindful of the issue, calibrate their sets properly, and vary their viewing, it is not a problem. For some, who don't know about the matter, it can be if they do not vary what they watch.

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Logos that are semi transparent like MTV and NBC, et al are fine though right?

Should be if you don't use a high Contrast setting, using a picture setting of Vivid or the like is just asking for trouble, and still mix up your viewing content. I've mostly seen complaints about the logos from USA and History Channel. I haven't experienced any IR from logos, only from gaming and really just one game so far.
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I decided to use break in slides for the first 100 hours. I was wondering which set of slides are better to use, the AE slides or the Webapalooza v120.1? I have been useing webapalooza v120.1. I through the usb with contrast turned to 100 and everything else is to 50. Is this ok?
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Problem here is 4:3 bars now showing up and line in 16:9 content. Ran sweep still shows. Should I crank up brightness and contrast while I run the sweep to try and get rid of it. Hope to hell it's not burned in. Just now changed to grey background not black. The contrast and brightness have always been turned down.

Think I'll have a problem getting rid of it. Anything to know about this type of burn in from aspect ratio burn in rather than content IR.

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I am in the preliminary stages of replacing my CRT Rear Projection TV. I know it is over six years old because we had six years of extended warranty which ran out more than a year ago. Twice we have had to have it serviced because a gun driver chip failed. At this point I beleive we are over due for this failure so I have been shopping for a replacement. Here is my setup:



So what does all this have to do with Burn in and image retention?

I have gone to the local Best Buy and Future Shop to look at the new flat panel TVs and found that they all look fantastic. Even the 720p Flat Panel TVs look incredible compared to our old TV. As you can see from the above photos we watch movies and play games using our projector, so the TV really just gets used as a TV. Therefore I see no point in trying to get the latest and greatest in flat panel technology.

I had narrowed down my choices to these Samsung Models: PN50C430 (720p, $750), PN50C540 (1080p $350 more), or PN50C6400 (another $300). I noticed that none of these TVs has Anti-Burn in technology. The PN50B650 has this anti-burn in technology listed in the specs but that is another $500. The PN50C430 is probably more than adequate for our TV viewing needs but if it is likely to suffer from burn in, and I would have to spend an additional $1150 to get a Samsung Plasma with anti burn in technology then I'm back to square one.

So I guess my question is, does the Samsung Anti-Burn in technology make that much difference?

Or to put it another way, if one of the less expensive models looks like it would serve well enough to replace our aging RPTV, is this burn in issue going to make it a poor choice and we will just end up having to replace it in a few years?

Does this burn in issue make plasma a poor choice for a TV that will primarily be used as a TV?

I think I may have answered these questions for myself. During the first few months it is important to be aware of the possibility of burn-in, particularly if you are viewing a lot of 4:3 content. The Samsung Plasma TVs that I am considering have an option for light or dark gray bars. If I primarily watch darker content then the dark gray bars are to be used. If we watch a lot of brighter content then the light gray bars are a better match. So the trade off seems to be several hundred dollars to go with an alternative technology or a little care for the first 100 hrs to avoid watching 4:3 content with the bars set to black.
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OK - Just bought LG 42PJ350 the other night for my bedroom and love it thus far. This is a secondary TV and will get little use. Mainly at night and the occasional movie during the day. From what I read here its best to use burn-in DVD. I DL the ISO file and used DVD shrink/decrypter to burn a copy but doesn't play in my Panasonic DVD player.

- Is there a specific way to unpack the zip file to burn it correctly?
- Do I need to run TV in Zoom mode for 100+ hours to avoid IR?
- Anyone have settings to run on this TV for optimum viewing?

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Just run THX and you'll be fine. There's no need to do slides

I think i'm going to go this route, and go easy on it for the first 100 hours or so on my new G20. Now if I can get wifey to play by the rules...
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I think i'm going to go this route, and go easy on it for the first 100 hours or so on my new G20. Now if I can get wifey to play by the rules...

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