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post #181 of 263 Old 04-02-2008, 09:23 PM
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^^^ Agreed, good post!
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good post.... so what is the deal with the AVS member mgavsf who claims they will NOT do 1:1 Pixel Mapping?

When I bought the VP50 in Jan 07, those models were not available and the one we tested with showed a big difference between a Fujitsu and others which had one to one. Whatever the claim any vendor makes, unless there is a one to one setting, I would test it first. The post from omletpants above indicates a soft picture which makes me suspicious. Any good VP like the VP50 produces a razor sharp image. It even did on my 5 year old Panasonic via component. I am not speculating, I own a VP50 and connected it to various plasmas and am just passing on my testing results.
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58A550 Recieved and Set Up

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Recieved my 58A550 on Tuesday and set it up yesterday. This is my take on the set. I am a non videophile and first time HDTV owner. I spent six months researching this purchase.

The PQ is fantastic on HD. I have it set to movie mode. I can't imagine a better picture. Blacks are excellent, whites are fine. Ona a five star scale I rate it a 5 for HD picture quality.

SD- My provider is TWC. Though getting better their HD availability pales in comparison to the sattellite services. This was an area of concern for me, but I am quite pleased with the SD quality. Rate it a 4.

Will be the weekend before I can do any serious viewing and will report back next week.

Great set, very bright, little glare. Excellent price/value relationship.

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Okay, after seeing the new Samsung 550 right alongside a Kuro and the new Panasonic pz85, here's my take on what I saw...

This was in Best Buy's "football stadium" lighting, so I'm not even going to compare the apparent black levels. I'm assuming they were all on default shop settings, so I can only compare on that basis. The Samsung 550 picture looked impressive, with rich colors. However, the Samsung's green saturation was WAY exagerated -- the Panasonic seemed to have much better accuracy on greens. Other colors were comparable.

Brightness on the Samsung was slightly lower than the Panasonic, and the Panny had more punchy whites than the Samsung. Still, neither the Samsung nor the new Panasonic were even close to the brightness of any LCD panel nearby, at least in the settings I saw.

The Panasonic also appeared a little sharper in picture detail (both were 1080p and 50 inches), although other factors might have affected this. One other thing I noticed is that the Panasonic seemed to have better anti-reflective coating, an obvious factor in those bright lights!

If I was buying on picture alone (and I know these are just store conditions), out of the Samsung, Panny and Kuro, I'd go with the Panasonic without doubt. I'm curious to see what the Series 7 picture will be like...
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well, i sit about 12ft from the display, so it would have been pretty moronic to pay extra for a 1080p set that has absolutely zero benefit over a 768p display in my situation.

i guess nobody has explained to you yet that screen resolution is probably about the 4th or 5th most important aspect when choosing a TV, regardless of the manufacturer?

at 50" or less, quality 768p beats 1080p for 1080p's sake every time.

Unless the 768p set buzzes so loud, it gives you a headache...Mine went back to BB, unfortunately...Picture was phenomenal
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Unless the 768p set buzzes so loud, it gives you a headache...Mine went back to BB, unfortunately...Picture was phenomenal

bummer...mine has given me no buzzing problems whatsoever.

what did you end up going with?

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Wow.. my head is spinning.. I was drooling over the 58" Panny towards the end of the year, but was a little pricey..
Now, I may be ready to sink the money into one, I liked the 5884 when I saw it in CC last year, and the Panasonic.. Now the new Sammy is out and at a good price point, under $3k..
I've toyed with getting a 50" but I think it would be too small, I've got a 57" CRT/RP now.. Has a great picture, but I'd like 1080P and something that's less of a piece of furniture.
I'm eagerly watching this for more of the 58A550 reviews..
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Seen this today on C.C. site for the PN50A650. Still nothing on Samsung's site about it.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsu...oductDetail.do
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Seen this today on C.C. site for the PN50A650. Still nothing on Samsung's site about it.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Samsu...oductDetail.do

Those Sammies sure look good
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I just bought the (PN50A450), returned the PDP-5080 because it was a $1000 bux more than the (PN50A450). The Pioneer was a bit better looking overall, but I just saved $1000 bucks and I am very happy because now I also have a HD Camcorder for the same price. No overscanning on pc, I can tell the pioneer had better blacks, was a bit clearer and the colors were a bit brighter. But overall this tv is still decent for a cheaper set. The TV swivels from the base and also the buttons are touch buttons on the front. Also love the case too, the light under samsung looks sweet.
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I just bought the (PN50A450), returned the PDP-5080 because it was a $1000 bux more than the (PN50A450). The Pioneer was a bit better looking overall, but I just saved $1000 bucks and I am very happy because now I also have a HD Camcorder for the same price. No overscanning on pc, I can tell the pioneer had better blacks, was a bit clearer and the colors were a bit brighter. But overall this tv is still decent for a cheaper set. The TV swivels from the base and also the buttons are touch buttons on the front. Also love the case too, the light under samsung looks sweet.

Did you make any settings adjustment?
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i also just got the 50A450 at futureshop in Canada. the pio 5080 was $2999 and the sammy was $1799. of course the blacks are superior on the pio but the sammy's wasnt that bad and I saved almost $1500 bucks. pq on the 450 is pretty decent. clear and bright. for the price its pretty good. except i kept seeing these green light trails. is it just me or is this a normal thing for plasmas?
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good post.... so what is the deal with the AVS member mgavsf who claims they will NOT do 1:1 Pixel Mapping?

He doesn't know what he is talking about. Pioneer pushers don't know anything about a product unless it's a Pioneer.
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He doesn't know what he is talking about. Pioneer pushers don't know anything about a product unless it's a Pioneer.

Come on now, I own the 150fd and the 5884, the samsung is a excellent tv. I give it a 8/10 on 1080p pq.

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do you think the new 2008 samsung PN50A450 is better than the 2007 fp-t5084?
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Did you make any settings adjustment?

I adjusted the Pioneer's settings the most, but it looked great out of the box. The Samsung had dynamic contrast cranked up so it looked like a bright pos out of the box. Messed around with the settings a bit on the Samsung and it looks better than out of the box now.
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A question:

What type if IR prevention features do the Samsungs have? I've searched around a bit and can't find a solid answer. From my readings, it seemed that the 2007 Samsung plasmas were more susceptible to IR and burn in than the Panasonic or Pioneer offerings.
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Anti Burn-in Technology

Auto pixel shift (user programmable)

Signal pattern processing function

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A question:

What type if IR prevention features do the Samsungs have? I've searched around a bit and can't find a solid answer. From my readings, it seemed that the 2007 Samsung plasmas were more susceptible to IR and burn in than the Panasonic or Pioneer offerings.

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I adjusted the Pioneer's settings the most, but it looked great out of the box. The Samsung had dynamic contrast cranked up so it looked like a bright pos out of the box. Messed around with the settings a bit on the Samsung and it looks better than out of the box now.

Well that explains what you were seeing. I use that dynamic mode only for watching tapes on my VHS player. It really improves the picture quality in that mode.
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Anti Burn-in Technology

Auto pixel shift (user programmable)

Signal pattern processing function

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Thanks for the response. Can anyone comment on how these features improve on previous years Samsungs and how their effectiveness rates against Panasonic and Pioneer?
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Come on now, I own the 150fd and the 5884, the samsung is a excellent tv. I give it a 8/10 on 1080p pq.

I don't consider all Pioneer owners "Pioneer pushers" but we all know who those guys are.
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Thanks for the response. Can anyone comment on how these features improve on previous years Samsungs and how their effectiveness rates against Panasonic and Pioneer?

^^Anyone?

Thanks.
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^^Anyone?

Thanks.

They are the same modes as in last years models. Here is a quote from a section of the review of last years 5084 from Cnet.com

"The setup menu also contains a section candidly labeled "Screen Burn Protection" that provides more options to remedy burn-in than just about any other plasma TV. The "white" option filled the screen with a white field while the "scrolling" option created a black-to-white ramp that scrolled slowly across the screen; both are designed to remove burned-in sections of the screen if they appear. There's also an adjustable "pixel shift" function that slowly moves the entire image across the screen to help prevent stationary screen elements, such as letterbox bars and tickers, from burning in to begin with. Finally, there are two settings, dark and light, for the side bars around 4:3 programs. As much as we consider burn-in a greatly exaggerated issue with plasma, we still like the fact that Samsung includes all of these reassuring options"

My Samsung has far less IR than my 2 year old LG. My LG has horrible IR but even after 2 years of heavy, heavy gaming and watching lots of letterbox movies there isn't even the slightest hint of burn in. Do not confuse Image Retention with Burn In. All plasma's will have some Image Retention but goes away quickly when the pixels(cells) get used for another image.

A link to the rest of Cnets review on last years 5084 in case you wanted to see the whole thing.
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-t...tag=prod.txt.1
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Thanks a lot for the reply. Eases my mind.
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Have there been any reviews for the new models yet?
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Have there been any reviews for the new models yet?

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I have had the PN50A450 on HDMI via my HTPC/HD3870 for 2weeks now.
And i Absolulty love it...There are so many settings for Picture adjustment it is unbeleavable...(no need for a visit to the service menu for a couple years ...hehe)

A450 is best value for sure, i think. (cheap on ebay)
scales 1080P easyly, 24,60 & 59 hz "& beautifully i might add".

A450 = an Excellent 50" PC monitor.

I plan to get the A650/A750 58" in the Fall/Winter (couldn't wait) they match my streem speakers to a tee!. just wish they had a 768 version, oh well
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but how do they compare to the previous models?
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Not sure. never had a 84 model.

But it was an upgrade from the Akai PDP4294 (AKA Samsung xxxx). LOL

One thing i can say is...Black levels are deeeeeep, and have endless adjustments.
and 3D ready....which is cool.

3D ready and dynamic 1mill contrast, sold me over the 84's..

Sorry its not much of a review for you guys...
any questions, ask away.
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i just purchased a PN50A450 it will be delivered on wed if i can wait ...otherwise i will pick it up and i will post reviews ASAP!! hopfully good one!
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