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Does Sammy have new models for 2008?
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I find my self seeking the same information. Samsung's web site is useless when it comes to new product information.
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Thanks gunner, you've been a great help.
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they need to spend time fixing their QC problems, they're quick to market with all the "new" features already
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@ shark: No problem.

But seriously...what else do you want? Search the forums, search google, and you'll find whatever info is out there.
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they need to spend time fixing their QC problems, they're quick to market with all the "new" features already

Yeah just improved black levels and no flickering/iir would have been great.
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they need to spend time fixing their QC problems, they're quick to market with all the "new" features already

Well, they certainly wont be taking any lessons from Pioneer. They are quick to market some new black level thing while having problems on units shipped with buzzing, streaks, blotches, dead pixels, etc.
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Yeah just improved black levels and no flickering/iir would have been great.

I don't know about that. I do know it kicks kuro's ass for detail, natural colors and true to life PQ.
Once Pioneer spends more time on other aspects of PQ they might match a Samsung.
By the way, this black level obsession reminds of how hi-fi companies used to obsess about distortion in the 70s. In fact Pioneer was one of 'em. Problem was the method used to drive down distortion also harmed sound quality as many of these companies later realized.
In an effort get black hole levels of black, Pioneer neglects white levels,
details, naturalness of colors, etc.
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I don't know about that. I do know it kicks kuro's ass for detail, natural colors and true to life PQ.
Once Pioneer spends more time on other aspects of PQ they might match a Samsung.
By the way, this black level obsession reminds of how hi-fi companies used to obsess about distortion in the 70s. In fact Pioneer was one of 'em. Problem was the method used to drive down distortion also harmed sound quality as many of these companies later realized.
In an effort get black hole levels of black, Pioneer neglects white levels,
details, naturalness of colors, etc.

I think the very natural colors of the Samsung create an excellent picture. At some point you reach a level of diminishing returns on black levels. I guess they are catering to those who obsess over black levels.
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I think the very natural colors of the Samsung create an excellent picture. At some point you reach a level of diminishing returns on black levels. I guess they are catering to those who obsess over black levels.

Exactly. While pursuing good black levels are a good thing, their doesn't seem to be a market demand for super black levels. If we look at the broader market where LCDs are doing very well, black levels for LCDs are a weakness.

Anyway, I think Samsung has struck the right balance of colors, black level and details that puts Samsung ahead of the rest.
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Exactly. While pursuing good black levels are a good thing, their doesn't seem to be a market demand for super black levels. If we look at the broader market where LCDs are doing very well, black levels for LCDs are a weakness.

Anyway, I think Samsung has struck the right balance of colors, black level and details that puts Samsung ahead of the rest.

Now if only they could fix the IR problems that they had with the 07 models, and up their quality control as well (every single TV that Samsung put out last year had a big defect that required a fix, even if it didn't get one) I might just buy another Samsung Plasma if they do all that.

I am a former 4254 owner that got really bad IR and possible burn-in (hours of scrolling patterns and white wash didn't get rid of it) after 1 week, now a 42px75 owner and I have no IR problems with the Panasonic, the Panasonic also has much better shadow detail than my old Sammy did.

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The Elite Kuro's have more color accuracy than any of the Samsung Plasma's.

you must be talking about the non-elite Kuro's.

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I don't know about that. I do know it kicks kuro's ass for detail, natural colors and true to life PQ.
Once Pioneer spends more time on other aspects of PQ they might match a Samsung.
By the way, this black level obsession reminds of how hi-fi companies used to obsess about distortion in the 70s. In fact Pioneer was one of 'em. Problem was the method used to drive down distortion also harmed sound quality as many of these companies later realized.
In an effort get black hole levels of black, Pioneer neglects white levels,
details, naturalness of colors, etc.

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Now if only they could fix the IR problems that they had with the 07 models, and up their quality control as well (every single TV that Samsung put out last year had a big defect that required a fix, even if it didn't get one) I might just buy another Samsung Plasma if they do all that.

I am a former 4254 owner that got really bad IR and possible burn-in (hours of scrolling patterns and white wash didn't get rid of it) after 1 week, now a 42px75 owner and I have no IR problems with the Panasonic, the Panasonic also has much better shadow detail than my old Sammy did.

Sorry to hear you had a problem with Sammy but I've read problems with both Panasonic and Pioneer plasmas here. Should I assume all Pannys and Pioneer plasmas last year suck and therefore recommend Maxent?
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The Elite Kuro's have more color accuracy than any of the Samsung Plasma's.

you must be talking about the non-elite Kuro's.

I am including the Kuros but your entitled to be wrong.
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I have two Samsungs bought last year.
Two friends bought 46inch Samsungs during Christmas. Both have no problems.
I have friends at work who have Samsungs bought in the last six months with no problems.
Heck I find your statement that every Samsung has a defect to be obtuse.
I now have a 94U Sharp...still in box til Home is finished. A Panasonic 850 that I will be picking up this Fall when they are released. And I have a Sony XBR4 for my Hot Tub area. Its being used in my computer room until everything is installed. No problem with that one either.
Maybe you need to start by saying its your opinion and not trying to state something as a fact.
So far I am very happy with Samsung. IF they would put out a 70 Plus tv this year I would jump all over it.
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you are also entitled to be wrong.

no plasma has more color accuracy than an Elite Kuro.

there is not one expert that says a Samsung has more color accuracy than an Elite Kuro.

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I am including the Kuros but your entitled to be wrong.

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I have two Samsungs bought last year.
Two friends bought 46inch Samsungs during Christmas. Both have no problems.
I have friends at work who have Samsungs bought in the last six months with no problems.
Heck I find your statement that every Samsung has a defect to be obtuse.
I now have a 94U Sharp...still in box til Home is finished. A Panasonic 850 that I will be picking up this Fall when they are released. And I have a Sony XBR4 for my Hot Tub area. Its being used in my computer room until everything is installed. No problem with that one either.
Maybe you need to start by saying its your opinion and not trying to state something as a fact.
So far I am very happy with Samsung. IF they would put out a 70 Plus tv this year I would jump all over it.

What I am talking about is defects that require a fix (Judder on the 54/64 plasma series, took a while for them to fix on the 50 inch models (did they ever fix it on the 42 inch models?) the entire Samsung plasma line had higher than normal amounts of IR, the 61/65 series LCD sets had a HDMI dropout problem (which was fixed after 4 months) and now they have massive PQ issues with a new hardware revision. The 720p LCD line had a audio dropout problem and screen tearing. These are the problems that I had to deal with just after I got the 4254, I'm sure you can see why I don't have much faith in Samsung right now. Every one of their spring 07 units had a widespread problem that was well documented on these forums.

I started off wanting a 4042 LCD and after the screen tearing started to be reported, I started looking for a different set. I learned that the 4254 had just fixed it's audio dropout problem, so I read up on it and decided to get one. Well less than a week later I was constantly seeing Judder (I was one of the first to report it as well) and the amount of IR I had was very high (changing the Channel was enough to leave visible IR), and to top it off, there was a chunk of plastic under the screen the size of 4 pixels (only noticeable with-in 4 feet) so I gave it 2 more weeks (shortly before the end of my 30 days) and it only got worse from there, so I returned it. The 1080p LCDs still had big problems with HDMI dropouts so I couldn't consider them. I just took the money I got for my 4254 return, got a PS3 and waited for the problems to be fixed. Then I heard that the clicking problem with the 07 panny's had been fixed. I was still upset with Samsung (who still hadn't fixed their issues yet) so I gave Panasonic a chance. I have had no problems with that Panasonic so far. (going on 6 months now)

Samsung will have to do a lot to redeem itself in my eyes (and many others who have gotten defective sets from them)

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Samsung PN50A450 is on the site, says a price of $1699

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/d...PN50A450P1DXZA
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Pendragoon,
we got it. You had a bad Sammy experience. Fortunately you don't speak for most of us. Sammy is doing well and if you don't like their products, they'll be fine because thousands more do.
Robby, I recognize that as soon as someone dares say a Sammy is better than a kuro that the kuro defense forces show up. As is evident thousands more people picked Sammy over Pioneer for example. Despite what some experts said about the perfect TVs, the consumer thought otherwise. To this day I'd still take a Sammy over a Kuro anyday, anytime.

Well, have at it because the clock is ticking on kuro exclusively from Pioneer.
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As is evident thousands more people picked Sammy over Pioneer for example.

Do you think the driving force in this was picture quality/feature set or price?

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... I would like to purchase one that has the best color accuracy.

Pioneer's still pretty good:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/
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Samsung PN50A450 is on the site, says a price of $1699

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/d...PN50A450P1DXZA

Interesting to see they spec 2 contrast ratios.
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Do you think the driving force in this was picture quality/feature set or price?

All of the above. The PQ to most viewer was at least as good if not better to most viewers I suspect. Factor in generally lower prices and nice features made the choice easy.
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I did NOT say which one was better... i just said the the Kuro Elite has better color accuracy than any Samsung plasma.

And a clock ticking does not affect the color accuracy

I don't even own a Plasma yet... but when I do purchase one... I would like to purchase one that has the best color accuracy.

Well, all things being equal if color accuracy is better than you are saying one is better than another. In fact, color accuracy is my #1 determinant in choosing a TV.

Perhaps you didn't get my clock ticking point. I was referencing the fact that Pioneer will stop making their own panels within a year or 2.
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Pioneer's still pretty good:

http://www.hometheatermag.com/lcds/208hdface/

And before this thread gets overrun by the Pioneer people, here's a good review of the Samsung 5064.

http://www.avguide.com/products/product-3973/
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All of the above. The PQ to most viewer was at least as good if not better to most viewers I suspect. Factor in generally lower prices and nice features made the choice easy.

to each his own, i guess. when purchasing a new 50", i looked at Samsung, Panasnoic, and Pioneer, and the image quality of the Kuro was what set it apart from all the rest...not a subtle difference IMO, and well worth the extra cost.

not knocking the other two, its just that i am on the opposite side of the fence. glad your happy with the Sammy, it is a fine set.

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PN42A450P1DXZA
PN50A450P1DXZA
PN50A550S1FXZA
PN58A550S1FXZA

Some models will be coming out later this week.

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Indeed the New Sammy's look impressive. They should favor quite well with the Panny's...

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PN42A450P1DXZA
PN50A450P1DXZA
PN50A550S1FXZA
PN58A550S1FXZA

Some models will be coming out later this week.

Thanks CP I have been waiting for some news about their new panels.
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