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I'm fairly happy with my HDTV calibration, but DVE seems like a minimal-investment way to give me a better basis to my tweaking. Right now I just rely on my eyes and the calibration thread, where other sets may be giving different results. I noticed that DVE is available in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD/DVD combo, and generally at the same price point.

So my question is, which version is better? Has anyone here tried both? From what little information is available, it seems they are slightly different in content.

(I've got a Samsung BD-UP5000 combo player, but this question applies to anyone with both formats.)

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I'm fairly happy with my HDTV calibration, but DVE seems like a minimal-investment way to give me a better basis to my tweaking. Right now I just rely on my eyes and the calibration thread, where other sets may be giving different results. I noticed that DVE is available in both Blu-ray and HD-DVD/DVD combo, and generally at the same price point.

So my question is, which version is better? Has anyone here tried both? From what little information is available, it seems they are slightly different in content.

(I've got a Samsung BD-UP5000 combo player, but this question applies to anyone with both formats.)

From what I have read the only content diferences is that the HD DVD contains multichanel TrueHD test track. Besides that I dont think there are any differences content wise bnetween the 2. I have heard of a few people having issues with the Blu-ray manu.
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Does the BD have PCM instead? Or are they identical except for the additional TrueHD on the HD-DVD?

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Does the BD have PCM instead? Or are they identical except for the additional TrueHD on the HD-DVD?

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From what I can remember TrueHD is the one that is different. There is a thread on this title in the Blu-ray software secion that actully give the differences though.
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Here is a review:
http://www.guidetohometheater.com/testtools/308dve/
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Conclusion
As I said earlier, Joe Kane's test discs have become a staple in the toolkit of most installers and reviewers as well as enthusiasts who want the best possible picture from their displays. HD Basics builds on this legacy to provide the most user-friendly set of test materials to date.
The HD DVD version is clearly superior, not only for its My Favorites function, but also for its speedier menu response, predictable display of text, 5.1 and 6.1 Dolby TrueHD soundtracks, and reliable performance with the 720p demo material. For those who already have an HD DVD player or can still get one, I recommend this version of HD Basics over Blu-ray.

On the other hand, the Blu-ray version can be very effective for evaluating current and future players as well as displays, so don't count it out. Also, player firmware updates can often reduce problems with the Blu-ray version—though they can also be a step backward. For example, Kane has identified one player that handled 720p correctly before a firmware update, but not after.

The problems with the Blu-ray version are not the fault of Kane's production but of the format itself. The Blu-ray spec identifies many features—such as bookmarking and Dolby TrueHD—as optional, making it difficult to author a robust disc for all players. The only thing that is not optional is copy protection, which costs producers thousands of dollars each time they author a disc, even so-called "check discs" to make sure everything operates as expected on the wide variety of Blu-ray players. Now that Blu-ray has won the format war, I encourage all parties involved to remove the word "optional" from player specifications and add the same word to copy protection. This is exactly how HD DVD structured things, and it's clearly the right way to go.

In terms of content, HD Basics is wonderful. I'll be using it regularly in my video reviews from now on, and I encourage you to pick it up if you want your display to look its best.

Highs
Simplified menus make navigation easier than previous titles
HD DVD version has My Favorites bookmarking feature; very useful
Gray-window patterns are back
Narration over demo sequences is very illuminating

Lows
Skipping backward is difficult
Blu-ray version has no bookmarking Blu-ray version's menu animation is much slower than HD DVD's due to player inconsistencies, not disc Blu-ray version's menu text displays unpredictably due to player inconsistencies, not disc

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Note that "DVE: HD Basics" is the new version that was released within the last month. As far as I can tell, "Basics" wasn't released in Combo-Format. If you see a Combo Format, that's the previous version. DVE is offering a trade-up to "Basics" though, so if you find a deal on the first one, it might be worth getting. Otherwise just go straight to the "Basics" disc (BD or HD DVD).
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Note that "DVE: HD Basics" is the new version that was released within the last month. As far as I can tell, "Basics" wasn't released in Combo-Format. If you see a Combo Format, that's the previous version. DVE is offering a trade-up to "Basics" though, so if you find a deal on the first one, it might be worth getting. Otherwise just go straight to the "Basics" disc (BD or HD DVD).

You are correct, but I dont think the OP was even thinking about the older version that was released on HD DVD only. I am pretty sure that the one the are referencing was the "Basics" version.

EDIT:NM I see what you are talking about now Raptor the combo version is the "old" version you want the "Basics" version.
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Where can I hear more about this trade-up deal?
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Here's the deal:
http://www.dvdinternational.com/cat-upgrade.cfm

Nice deal for those that already have the Combo version. If you don't have it already, makes as much sense to directly to the new HD Basics (given the pricing on Amazon anyway).
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Thank you. I do have the crippled combo version so I might jump.
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Is the Blu-Ray version of HD basics zone free(A/B/C) or only zone A??....
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Note that "DVE: HD Basics" is the new version that was released within the last month. As far as I can tell, "Basics" wasn't released in Combo-Format. If you see a Combo Format, that's the previous version. DVE is offering a trade-up to "Basics" though, so if you find a deal on the first one, it might be worth getting. Otherwise just go straight to the "Basics" disc (BD or HD DVD).

Ah, thanks. No wonder it seemed like they had different content; they did!

HD-DVD version of HD Basics added to my cart, awaiting my next "Amazon splurge". Thanks guys.

Being a 5000 owner, it's a bit unfortunate the audio tests are TrueHD only. But my audio is pretty well configured already, so I'm really just concerned with the video tweaks.

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...crippled combo version...

What's "crippled" about it, other than the fact it's a combo?

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I like combos in and of themselves. The HD side is just crippled in the tutorial department.
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...The HD side is just crippled in the tutorial department....

Ah, gotcha. Thanks!

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Before HD DVD kicked the bucket, I had my Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on connected through HDMI to input #7 on my TV, and calibrated that input with the HD DVD version of DVE HD Basics. Everything looked great.

I've just picked up a Sony BDP-S350 and will be connecting it via HDMI to input #8.

My TV is a Sony KDL-46XBR2, which supports different video settings for each input. I was wondering if anyone out there knows, can I just copy the settings that I came up with for 360/HDDVD on input #7 to input #8? Or does the source device or format or the input on the TV have any effect on which settings would be optimal? Should I bother picking up the Blu-ray version of DVE?

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Does anyone have a link or info on what is different between the older HD-DVD combo version of DVE and the newer "Basics" version? What have they changed, if anything?
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What is the problem with the HDDVD combo disc again?
I put mine's into the BH200 tonite for the first time & there is no audio track or tutorial on the HD DVD side.

The NTSC side works fine.
What gives?

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Yeah, I think that right there is the problem. They did very little on the HD side aside from give you patterns and such. That was the big complaint in all the reviews I read, and the reason I got the HD DVD version.
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Yeah, I think that right there is the problem. They did very little on the HD side aside from give you patterns and such. That was the big complaint in all the reviews I read, and the reason I got the HD DVD version.

Yeah - but I did get the HD DVD version! & still only got the test patterns but no audio or tutorial! eeeash.

I guess I will visit their website & ask why. we're in the 21st century right?

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I got the exact same results from the DVD version as I did the HD-DVD version. I recomend everyone save some $$ and just get the DVD.
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hmm.. It's quite hard to determine from this thread, but does the currrent BD edition of DVE HD Basics include TrueHD audio or not?
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hmm.. It's quite hard to determine from this thread, but does the currrent BD edition of DVE HD Basics include TrueHD audio or not?

Anyone?
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Yeah - but I did get the HD DVD version! & still only got the test patterns but no audio or tutorial! eeeash.

I guess I will visit their website & ask why. we're in the 21st century right?

I think you got the wrong HD DVD version. There were two. I got HD Basics, and it does have all that stuff on it. This is the non-combo, non-flippable version mind you.

I used it just a few days ago for some audio testing...
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I think you got the wrong HD DVD version. There were two. I got HD Basics, and it does have all that stuff on it. This is the non-combo, non-flippable version mind you.

I used it just a few days ago for some audio testing...

hmmm...mine's is flippable maybe that's the reason.

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hmmm...mine's is flippable maybe that's the reason.

Yep. That's the earlier version. The things you're complaining about are the things everyone complained about. That's why they re-released it.

Get yourself a new version. (I think the HD Basics Blu and Red are virtually the same.)
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