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I am looking to pull the trigger on one of these two players but I do have some questions at first:

As for the HD-I functions on each player. Do you find they work properly for HD DVD? When accessing the menu, does it stop the movie or does the film continue while accessing the disc menu?

Have you experienced any problems downloading internet content on the web enabled HD DVD's.

For the Bh 200 owners with the update. Has anyone successfully bitstreamed DD+ to receiver? How has the Bonus View option worked with the BD's that have this feature?

How slow/fast do you find Java-enabled BD's to be?

Thanks in advance for your responses.
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Transformers worked flawless for me with the web stuff. The only other web stuff I tried and had trouble with is Kinowelt's Terminator 2 Ultimate HD DVD. The interactive mode won't display the multiple video windows properly and just read them as video files and doesn't do the branching it's supposed to.
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Transformers worked flawless for me with the web stuff. The only other web stuff I tried and had trouble with is Kinowelt's Terminator 2 Ultimate HD DVD. The interactive mode won't display the multiple video windows properly and just read them as video files and doesn't do the branching it's supposed to.

So which player is this you refer to? So it actually leaves the film to access the menu. Is it the same on BD?
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Oh Sorry. I was talking about the BDUP5000. I've only tried 3 BDs so far (Spiderman 3, Ratatouille, and Sunshine). So far I haven't had any issues with the menus on those and haven't experienced anything unusual on sunshine other than not being able to access the picture in picture option.
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BH200 owner, haven't watched a ton of movies so far, but the menus work during playback of HD DVD - thought they aren't as smooth as the A1. The movie plays smooth, it's the overlay that's not as smooth.

I don't have the player hooked up to the Internet, so can't comment on the web stuff. I can tell you that as a former HD DVD only user, A1 and A2 and A3, the BH 200 has blown me away. It has played the BD discs I threw at it flawlessly - and I mean flawlessly, no drop outs, no hiccups, nothing but picture perfect perfection. NatM, Die Hard, Crimson Tide, Casino Royale. I really, really like this player.

I use the SPDIF, so don't know the bitstreaming, will say it sounds spectacular on the DTS recode (I fall into the 1.5 DTS is transparent, spare me the golden ear crap camp), Casino Royale was as energetic and amazing soundtrack as I have ever heard, in any setting. My ears knew it, and when I opened my cabinet afterwards to remove the disc, the heat bloom from my amp confirmed!

Also, turn on and load times seem better than with the A1 and A2, didn't use the A3 much but felt at least equal.

Plus it plays MP-freaking-3s, something the A2 and A3 wouldn't and the A1 barely did competently - and it'll do it from the USB port! FTW!

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So has anyone tried the BONUS VIEW with the BD and the IME/U-CONTROL on HD DVD?
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I'm rather satisfied with my BD-UP5000, most HD DVDs I have thrown at it (I have over 220 of them) have had no issues, but I'm really wanting a firmware update that will bring it to the LG's level, as is every other BD-UP5000 owner I guess.

If they can match the LG with its latest firmware update and add analog audio outputs in 5.1 or 7.1 of TrueHD, that will be the clear choice IMO.

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So has anyone tried the BONUS VIEW with the BD and the IME/U-CONTROL on HD DVD?

Yes, to both. Bonus view is not available (yet) on the BD-UP5000, it's promised for the next firmware update, so we'll see what happens. IME/U-CONTROL work fine in 99% of the HD DVDs I tried.

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If you are buying right now, I would have to push you towards the BH200. First off, let me say that I am a very satisfied Samsung owner, and have never used the LG. The Samsung is a very good unit and I am in no way saying it should be avoided. But it seems like the LG has more features at the moment, especially with regard to advanced audio. They got their big update already, while we Samsung owners still wait.

If you can wait a few weeks, let's see what Samsung does. If they deliver on the May firmware promise and everything is as we'd hoped (multichannel TrueHD decoding, DD+/DTS-HD/DTS-MA bitstreaming, profile 1.1), I'd most certainly recommend the Samsung.

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If HDi type thing is most important to you, current firmware on Samsung leaves a lot to be desired. It's slow, choppy and some of them just behave wrong. I have no idea how the post-firmware-fix LG behaves. Both are not using Microsoft's implementation of HDi from what I know.
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If the network stuff if important, there's a chance the BH200 will be firmware upgraded to Profile 2.0 (its hardware meets requirements). Not so for the BDUP5000. LG hasn't officially said anything one way or the other, so don't bank on it. Still, could happen.
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I agree with Raptor007. He has put it well.

I hope Samsung deliver on their May promise, if not we'll all be very annoyed. The Samsung has Analogue outs the LG will never have but the LG "may" be made Profile 2.0. Otherwise I don't think there is much in it:

* Both suffer from Audio and Video Drop outs
* Both have a similar amount of problem discs, "maybe" slightly less on the LG.
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I've read some comments on the BH 200 that it's not streaming DD+ from HD DVD's. Is this a problem for some or for all? Does the Samsun U5000 let you bitstream DD+ right now or does it currently convert to PCM and sends out that signal via HDMI?

On the BH 200, who has successfully used the Bonus View feature?
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The 5000 just outputs the core DD stream with DD+ selected.
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I am looking to pull the trigger on one of these two players but I do have some questions at first:

As for the HD-I functions on each player. Do you find they work properly for HD DVD? When accessing the menu, does it stop the movie or does the film continue while accessing the disc menu?

HDi performance on the BH200 has been very good. FYI, BD players use two menu buttons. The Disc Menu button stops the movie and brings up the menu. The Popup Menu button overlays the menu as the movie continues to play. Just a difference between the two formats.

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Have you experienced any problems downloading internet content on the web enabled HD DVD's.

Works perfectly from my experience.

As an HD-XA1 and HD-A35 owner I give the BH200 high marks as an HD DVD player. Startup and load times seem better than the A35 and frame advance actually works, something my Tosh players never did.
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As an HD-XA1 owner the Sam. 5k has been fine. Transition to play and eject are certainly faster (as expected).
I had one freeze on 'Hit Man' that never repeated. I ran both Sunshine and I Am Legend without a hitch.
'Web Enabling' for HD DVD is transparent and fast.
I'm ok using 're-encoding' for DTS 5.1 streamed output for the time being.
I don't know if I would have been better off with an LG machine, but having 5.1/7.1 analog was important in my decision.
Have had this player less than a month, and normally not inclined to FF, etc. and look for some problem others have noted.
I just pop them in and expect them to play.
Lots more to run through in the future.
The XA-1 is a great player. But would never call it flawless. But I think that can be said for most any player.
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Have had this player less than a month, and normally not inclined to FF, etc. and look for some problem others have noted.

That's why Sunshine gave you no problems. I still think one should be able to navigate forward in a movie without fretting the outcome...
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That's why Sunshine gave you no problems. I still think one should be able to navigate forward in a movie without fretting the outcome...

I could not agree more, and actually, I DID move back and forth on a couple of spots, randomly.
Maybe I just did not hit the right (or wrong) spot. But I was not looking for a specific problem either at the time. It was the furthest thing from my mind, that's why I was not fretting.
I am sure as I get more time on the player I will run into a problem now and then, planned or unplanned.
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Yup, near the end of the movie, I was able to navigate forward without a problem. At some time between 7 minutes and near the third chapter from the end, things seem to resolve as far as forward navigation is concerned (confirmed across 2 hardware builds). I didn't find it worth it to determine the exact times but I may yet depending on boredom.
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Thank you all for your input.

I've always been curious about the Samsung but it seems no one knows for sure if the audio will be updated to bitstream and decode? I don't really need the analog outs as I have an HDMI receiver that also decodes the advanced codecs so bitstreaming is important to me, moreso than internal decode. Not sure about the web-downloadable material until I find a way to get ethernet connection wirelessly?

Right now it seems that the LG and the Samsung are close in price. I'm more inclinend for the LG right now.

So for those who have owned other HD DVD players, how would you compare the load times? How would you compare load times to other BD players?
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Load time on HD is fine on my BH200 (I am so far an unabashed fan of this thing), time from power on to disc seems faster than my A2 and lots faster than my A1. Seems equal to A3 but didn't use that one much. Haven't played many HD DVDs (want to soon, just have a stack of 29 BD's that are wrapped, those are the priority) but I did test out Serenity and The Rundown, played and worked perfectly for the dozen or so minutes I played with them.

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Very informative forums, I do have a question as I am in the same boat as many people here. I have an ok HD DVD collection and have enjoyed it greatly, but now to feed my addiction to HDM I need to go Blu. I refuse to buy a PS3 because I don't want to support my beloved Xbox's main rival. So I thought about a dual player after I saw them available for a reasonable price ~$450. Now my concern is that the receiver that am looking at the Yamaha RX V661 only accepts LPCM over hdmi, it won't decode the advanced formats internally. This is fine for my Toshiba A2, but I know that Blu Ray doesn't require internall decoding. Is it true that the LG BH200 will decode both Dolby True HD, and DTS MA, and send them as LPCM thru HDMI? I posted this question is the Blu forum on AVS and they laughed at me and said that the only player that does both for less than $500 is the PS3. Should I buy the LG??? Thank You

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Now my concern is that the receiver that am looking at the Yamaha RX V661 only accepts LPCM over hdmi, it won't decode the advanced formats internally. This is fine for my Toshiba A2, but I know that Blu Ray doesn't require internall decoding. Is it true that the LG BH200 will decode both Dolby True HD, and DTS MA, and send them as LPCM thru HDMI? I posted this question is the Blu forum on AVS and they laughed at me and said that the only player that does both for less than $500 is the PS3. Should I buy the LG??? Thank You

The BH200 will internally decode TrueHD but it will only extract the 1.5mbps DTS core from DTS-HD MA. Both will be sent as LPCM over HDMI. This is exactly the same as your A2.

The Blu crew are right that the only cheap player to internally decode DTS-HD MA at the moment (and only very recently) is the PS3.
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So the A2 only extracts the DTS core form DTS MA also? so I won't be missing anything by going with the LG. Can the LG bitstream DTS MA incase I decide to go with the YAMAHA RX V663? I thought some members have mentioned that it could. Inkow this has been addressed in the BH200 thread but its alot of posts to read through. Thank you

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Yes, with the latest firmware, the BH200 bitstreams all codecs. See namechamps' BD Player Audio Support Comparison for a good summary table.
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So who has successfully used the BONUS VIEW option on the BH 200. Your thoughts on it?
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So the A2 only extracts the DTS core form DTS MA also? so I won't be missing anything by going with the LG. Can the LG bitstream DTS MA incase I decide to go with the YAMAHA RX V663? I thought some members have mentioned that it could. Inkow this has been addressed in the BH200 thread but its alot of posts to read through. Thank you

And yeah, the A2 only extracts the DTS core. None of the HD DVD players internally decoded full DTS-HD MA as far as I know. You won't be missing anything over what you already have, and the DTS core is likely all you'll need.

(I just watched the first half of Die Hard 4 bitstreaming DTS-HD MA, and the second half internally decoding the DTS core, and both sounded just as good. Not scientific at all, but I think we're all getting a bit nuts over lossless audio. And Die Hard 4 has been a problem for a lot of BD players, even the Pioneer, but the little LG that could didn't skip a beat!)
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So who has successfully used the BONUS VIEW option on the BH 200. Your thoughts on it?

I watched Sunshine on my BH200 with the latest April firmware. All in all, it worked pretty well. There were a few second or less audio drops and the video got a little jittery from time to time. But, if I hit rewind for a couple of seconds and then play and/or stop and then resumed from where I was, everything got back on track pretty quickly. It wasn't perfect, but I don't think it is on any player other than maybe a PS3. Considering that this was the first commercially available Profile 1.1/Bonus View disk, I'm not sure how well it was authored and, quite frankly, has proven to be buggy on pretty much every player on the market.

I agree with peterjcat's comment about the "little LG that could." I've thrown a lot of disks at it, both HD DVD and Blu-ray, and while not perfect it has done an admirable job. As it stands now, with currently released firmware, I think it stands head and shoulders above the Samsung 5000. Also, to answer one of your earlier questions ... the BH200 will both bitstream and internally decode DD+ without any problems. I've confirmed it on Into the Wild, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Batman Returns, Alexander Revisited, and others (all on HD DVD).

Hope this helps you out!

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I am very happy with my BD-U5000.HQV/Reon is very,very nice.I also like the fact that when I put it on pause,it displays time into and overall time of film.Right now I am using it on my 4 year old Fujitsu 50" plasma and it looks spectacular.In fact,I want to upgrade to a newer plasma and can't wait to see the new combo together.The only other player I would consider is the new not released Marantz blu-ray with the HQV/Realta.
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The only reason NOT TO GET the LG player would be if you rely exclusively on analog 5.1 connections. If you use SPDIF (Toslink or coaxial) or HDMI - the choice is clear. It plays virtually all discs: SD-DVD NTSC, PAL - all regions, HD DVD and BD (I will not be surprised if the BD region code protection will be broken on this forum very soon) and does it all beautifully. It upconverts SD DVDs so beautifully, that it is actually a little annoying - you cannot show off in front of your friends, because on BH-200, the difference between HD DVD and SD DVD is NOT THAT GREAT!!!!

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