Just trying to do some troubleshooting here. Along with myself, there are others who are experiencing the "helicopter" or "lawnmower" sound when bitstreaming DD+ and for some DTS-HD on your HD DVD's.
I'm wondering what receivers are having this problem?
Mine is the Onkyo 705.
What's receiver are you using if you have the problem?
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Originally Posted by enormus /forum/post/14580344
Well, updating from the PC did not work for me. The receiver says "Updating . . " and never changes it's display. Thought I borked it at first, but just had to reset the inputs. After this failed attempt, I burned a CD and tried 3 different DVD players with no success. I followed the instructions (burned audio CD, hooked optical cable to Optical Input 1, followed the button presses, etc.) but no joy. Really confused at this point. Going to try to re-burn the CD with Deepburner, but I can't figure out why the 705 won't take the update.
Do you hear noise when you are playing back the CD? It should sound like an old dial up modem or fax. If you are not hearing that, you are burning the CD wrong, probably as a data cd instead of audio. I am assuming you properly extracted the .wav file to make the audio CD. If you do not have a .wav file, you haven't 'unzipped' the file yet.
Do you have any plain old CD players with optical out? That is the best way.
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Originally Posted by enormus /forum/post/14580344
Well, updating from the PC did not work for me. The receiver says "Updating . . " and never changes it's display. Thought I borked it at first, but just had to reset the inputs. After this failed attempt, I burned a CD and tried 3 different DVD players with no success. I followed the instructions (burned audio CD, hooked optical cable to Optical Input 1, followed the button presses, etc.) but no joy. Really confused at this point. Going to try to re-burn the CD with Deepburner, but I can't figure out why the 705 won't take the update.
I had the same problem. I went through several burns using two different brands of CD's, used three different programs to burn the cd's and tried 5 different dvd/cd players.
It ended up being the dvd/cd players. I got a cheap RCA dvd player from Meijer and it worked instantly.....go figure
Mind sharing the model? I have tried 4 different players, my PC, reburned 3 times all to no avail. I can hear the audio when selecting the right input, but receiver still does not display "writing" at any time.
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Originally Posted by enormus /forum/post/14584910
Mind sharing the model? I have tried 4 different players, my PC, reburned 3 times all to no avail. I can hear the audio when selecting the right input, but receiver still does not display "writing" at any time.
Well, could not find this exact model, but found an RCA DRC277 at Target and this worked immediately. I had to run through the process twice; for som reason the first DSP did not get updated the first time through. However, after the second pass, all three are up to date. No more gunshot sounds during playback of the DTS HD Master track on Pan's Labyrinth!!!
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Originally Posted by enormus /forum/post/14599930
Well, could not find this exact model, but found an RCA DRC277 at Target and this worked immediately. I had to run through the process twice; for som reason the first DSP did not get updated the first time through. However, after the second pass, all three are up to date. No more gunshot sounds during playback of the DTS HD Master track on Pan's Labyrinth!!!
This thread should be renamed, because it's clear that there is something wrong with the bitstream capability of the player, and it affects more than just DD+---it's obvious that what is happening is that the player is trying to bitstream and/or mix in menu sounds when it isn't supposed to, which is why it always occurs when you move between chapters and RW/FW (any cases where the menu is brought up).
I am just afraid of the potential damage that this noise may do to my speakers at higher volumes, since there have been a few instances when my speakers played the noise at -10dB. The noise I get doesn't resemble any kind of helicopter or motorboat sound though...it sounds like exaggerated and high-pitched pink or white noise.
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Originally Posted by Megalith /forum/post/14611743
This thread should be renamed, because it's clear that there is something wrong with the bitstream capability of the player, and it affects more than just DD+---it's obvious that what is happening is that the player is trying to bitstream and/or mix in menu sounds when it isn't supposed to, which is why it always occurs when you move between chapters and RW/FW (any cases where the menu is brought up).
I am just afraid of the potential damage that this noise may do to my speakers at higher volumes, since there have been a few instances when my speakers played the noise at -10dB. The noise I get doesn't resemble any kind of helicopter or motorboat sound though...it sounds like exaggerated and high-pitched pink or white noise.
The issue is with the bitstreaming of DD+ and/or DTS-HR. Legacy (DD & DTS) and lossless (TrueHD & DTS-MA) bitstream fine, so the thread name is appropriate. Titles with DTS-HR are not nearly as common as DD+.
The issue you have is not the helicopter / motorboat issue we are talking about. You have another problem altogether...
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Originally Posted by emptychair /forum/post/14612093
The issue is with the bitstreaming of DD+ and/or DTS-HR. Legacy (DD & DTS) and lossless (TrueHD & DTS-MA) bitstream fine, so the thread name is appropriate. Titles with DTS-HR are not nearly as common as DD+.
The issue you have is not the helicopter / motorboat issue we are talking about. You have another problem altogether...
Well I guess I am not sure then, which problem it is that I have. But with my Onkyo 805 and while playing DD+ soundtracks on HD DVD movies (only), I see the Onkyo LCD screen go crazy for a few moments and then decide the signal it is getting through the HDMI port is now stereo when I unpause a movie and get a strange "chatter" or "modulating white noise" out of all my speakers. BUT!!! This happens with both my LG BH200 AND my Toshiba A35. So I DO NOT think this is specific to the LB200, but could be like what some are saying about other BD disks by certain studios = they mis-flag the audio, or it is a poor implementation, or could very well be an HDMI handshaking issue with Onkyo and certain other players when bitsreaming.
I just picked up a new Pioneer VSX-03TXH receiver, so will be testing that out shortly.
Ok, I now stand corrected! Went out and bought the new Pioneer VSX-03TXH, and it is a totally amazing receiver! I like it much better than my Onkyo 805 by far. BUT! Now I get this messed up sound out of every HD DVD movied I tried to play. The player is trying to send DTS HD or DD+ (Bone Collector), or DD+ (Transformers), and the Pioneer sees it coming in as regular stereo, and I get the static/hiss/helicopter noise non-stop. Tried both a Monoprice and a Monster HDMI cable, tried setting the source different (192>96>48), and none of that worked for bitstream. For the heck of it, I hooked up my Toshiba A35 - and it worked PERFECTLY!!!!!!
As much as I loved this BH200, I'd rather keep the Pioneer receiver (so as to sell the Onkyo), and so looks like the BH200 is going back unless LG can fix this??
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Originally Posted by WRX_Rocky /forum/post/14612369
Well I guess I am not sure then, which problem it is that I have. But with my Onkyo 805 and while playing DD+ soundtracks on HD DVD movies (only), I see the Onkyo LCD screen go crazy for a few moments and then decide the signal it is getting through the HDMI port is now stereo when I unpause a movie and get a strange "chatter" or "modulating white noise" out of all my speakers. BUT!!! This happens with both my LG BH200 AND my Toshiba A35. So I DO NOT think this is specific to the LB200, but could be like what some are saying about other BD disks by certain studios = they mis-flag the audio, or it is a poor implementation, or could very well be an HDMI handshaking issue with Onkyo and certain other players when bitsreaming.
I just picked up a new Pioneer VSX-03TXH receiver, so will be testing that out shortly.
No problems like that with my Onkyo 805. Have you done the DSP update and firmware update? I'm at firmware 1.08 and the latest DSP and it works perfect bitstreaming every movie so far.
Has anybody ever directly linked this thread to someone at LG?
I tested an LGBH200 with 0702 driver but firmware out of the box (March Build) and it bitstreams DD+ just fine! It will not bitstream TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, but it no problem with DD+.
Once updated to the latest firmware, TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio can be bitstreamed, but not DD+. I get that motorboating/helicoptering sound.
Obviously the "fix" for bitstreaming the high rez formats has caused there to be a problem with DD+. The challenge this poses is that almost every HD-DVD out has a DD+ track as default (even on menus) and you must select TrueHD. Some don't even have a TrueHD track.
This is fixable by firmware, LG just has to KNOW about it and FIX it!
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Originally Posted by fst96se /forum/post/14615406
Has anybody ever directly linked this thread to someone at LG?
I tested an LGBH200 with 0702 driver but firmware out of the box (March Build) and it bitstreams DD+ just fine! It will not bitstream TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, but it no problem with DD+.
Once updated to the latest firmware, TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio can be bitstreamed, but not DD+. I get that motorboating/helicoptering sound.
Obviously the "fix" for bitstreaming the high rez formats has caused there to be a problem with DD+. The challenge this poses is that almost every HD-DVD out has a DD+ track as default (even on menus) and you must select TrueHD. Some don't even have a TrueHD track.
This is fixable by firmware, LG just has to KNOW about it and FIX it!
As I mentioned, I'm not having this problem at all when combined with my Onkyo SR805. I suspect it is a receiver firmware issue because with LG's June firmware and the 0702 driver, my system is working perfect bitstreaming DD+, TrueHD, DTSHD Master, etc.
My Onkyo is updated to the latest across the board.
I recommend everyone check to see if their receivers are current. The DSP update (to eliminate the DTS HD Master 'bomb') for the Onkyo receivers may also be the reason why I don't have this problem with DD+.
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Originally Posted by billbillw /forum/post/14615663
As I mentioned, I'm not having this problem at all when combined with my Onkyo SR805. I suspect it is a receiver firmware issue because with LG's June firmware and the 0702 driver, my system is working perfect bitstreaming DD+, TrueHD, DTSHD Master, etc.
My Onkyo is updated to the latest across the board.
I recommend everyone check to see if their receivers are current. The DSP update (to eliminate the DTS HD Master 'bomb') for the Onkyo receivers may also be the reason why I don't have this problem with DD+.
i tried Pioneer 9120 and 9130 AVR, both not working when BH200 bitstreaming DD+, tried the same disc on Sony S350, DD+ bitstreaming worked fine with Pioneer AVR
still think LG caused this issue
and the phantom rear surround channel in LPCM 7.1 is annoying too, hopefully LG will fix both in next FW
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 /forum/post/14620459
i tried Pioneer 9120 and 9130 AVR, both not working when BH200 bitstreaming DD+, tried the same disc on Sony S350, DD+ bitstreaming worked fine with Pioneer AVR
still think LG caused this issue
and the phantom rear surround channel in LPCM 7.1 is annoying too, hopefully LG will fix both in next FW
How could you try the same disk on the Sony? DD+ is an HD DVD soundtrack????
Anyway, concerning the Onkyo Bill, mine is a VERY early release, bought in 6/06. My FW loader version is 1.00. 1.01 is REQUIRED to be able to use a rig at home (if I even had one). I contacted Onkyo, and got an extremely uncaring phone call yesterday morning from them, no human sympathy at all for my dilemna, even though I was extremely patient and considerate when I talked to that man. I HAVE to send it over 3 states away, to their Colorado sevice center, and was told a MINIMUM of 15 days wait to have it fixed and returned. And if you have read the horor stories over on the 805 FW posts, you will see many have had to reship theirs back numerous times to finally get it done RIGHT. I have done the DSP update though, and I think that may have fixed the DTS bomb problem, but even after that, my 805 still would occasionally have the screwed up signal from the BH200 or A35 with DD+, just not as bad as the new Pioneer is doing now. But I'll tell you what - I will NOT give up this new Pioneer VSX-03TXH!!!! It is awesome. The sound is incredible, and I CAN tell the difference. It does everything I want it to, and more. And you know what???? The nearest Pioneer service center is only 15 or so miles away from me!
So now what to do with the LG? I really do like it, and these are now extremely rare to find! If I return it, might never find another one. But if I keep it past the 30 days and LG don't fix this issue, then I am sort of screwed (because I am NOT going to return the Pio and use the Onkyo ever again). At least for now, I can go back to using the PS3 (and will miss bitsreaming) for BD, the A35 for HD, and might even dust off my old Pio Elite 59AVi for DVD (many say this is still worth keeping, cost me $1500+ when new LOL).
Oh, and as far as the VSX-03TXH firmware, this is a brand new unit, just came out. So doubt it may need, or even have, a new FW for it.
Oh, another thought - this new VSX-03TXH is the only Pioneer model so far, that has some new things called "HDMI Jitter Reduction". Not sure exactly what it does, and don't see it in any of the menus for the AVR. But I wonder, if maybe it could be the cause of this?
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Originally Posted by wlee1225 /forum/post/14620459
i tried Pioneer 9120 and 9130 AVR, both not working when BH200 bitstreaming DD+, tried the same disc on Sony S350, DD+ bitstreaming worked fine with Pioneer AVR
still think LG caused this issue
and the phantom rear surround channel in LPCM 7.1 is annoying too, hopefully LG will fix both in next FW
I'm in the same boat as you, love the 8003, but the DD+ issue is killing me. Wonder if Marantz will release some sort of firmware to update it. Tough to know whether the issue lies with Marantz or LG.
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Originally Posted by tmj811998 /forum/post/14629946
I'm in the same boat as you, love the 8003, but the DD+ issue is killing me. Wonder if Marantz will release some sort of firmware to update it. Tough to know whether the issue lies with Marantz or LG.
I've never been all that happy with my Marantz SR7002 so I made the move to a Denon AVR-2809CI and the DD+ bitstreaming issue does not exist. I agree it's a BH200 problem (primarily) but I suspect something in the handshake with the AVR seems to be causing the problem because it only affects certain receivers.
My SR7002 is supposed to be sent away to upgrade the firmware ... interested to see whether that resolves the issue with that AVR.
Well, the BAD NEWS from Pioneer customer service concerning the BH200 and the static
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There is no firmware updates available for the Receiver. When firmware updates become available they can only be installed by a service technician. Since HD DVD is a dead format I don't believe that we would look for a way to correct problems with this formats.
If Pioneer gave me that much attitude IN WRITING, I would shove that receiver back down their throats (or the other end depending on how I felt). Hopefully, the issue gets resolved.
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